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Two different 1080p images with different player settings and output resolution. The video noise is best seen with text. I doubt that you would see it during a movie. My observations are based on the 9300 only.

True, but you were using a computer and 2 different resolutions, so your example really doesn't apply either, does it?
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True, but you were using a computer and 2 different resolutions, so your example really doesn't apply either, does it?
I'm using MadVR uscaling on my HTPC when watching rips of my 1080p Blu-rays and there is definitely a difference. Maybe it's not as pronounced with Blu-ray players. I sold my Oppo 203 and only have the older Oppo 103, which is not really a 4K player, although it has 4K upscaling. I'll try to capture a better shot with actual movie content.

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I'm using MadVR uscaling on my HTPC when watching rips of my 1080p Blu-rays and there is definitely a difference. Maybe it's not as pronounced with Blu-ray players. I sold my Oppo 203 and only have the older Oppo 103, which is not really a 4K player, although it has 4K upscaling. I'll try to capture a better shot with actual movie content.

That would be interesting to see, though maybe not totally relevant. For the samples you previously posted, what resolution was your computer at for each one?

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That would be interesting to see, though maybe not totally relevant. For the samples you previously posted, what resolution was you computer at for each one?
1920x1080, 30Hz, 12-bit 4:2:2 and 3840x2160, 30Hz, 12-bit 4:2:2.

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1920x1080, 30Hz, 12-bit 4:2:2 and 3840x2160, 30Hz, 12-bit 4:2:2.

Okay, so that scenario doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not the Epson is better at scaling than an external device. The second image is better looking because it contains 4 times as much data.
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Okay, so that scenario doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not the Epson is better at scaling than an external device. The second image is better looking because it contains 4 times as much data.
The PC is scaling the image. 125% with 1080p resolution and 250% with 2160p resolution.

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The PC is scaling the image. 125% with 1080p resolution and 250% with 2160p resolution.

So that in no way proves your assertion that:
"You'll get a much sharper picture with much less video noise if you let your blu-ray player or streaming device upscale and feed the Epson a 4K signal"


In your statement you were comparing a blu-ray player to the Epson scaling a 1080P signal to 4k.
In your images, you are not doing that.
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I got my new AT Elite screen 115” 2:35:1 and it’s awesome. No more black bars it’s such a big upgrade. I am blown away. I now must use high lamp mode for HDR when I was able to do ECO prior. I have the projector on it’s box on an end table for the interim I will be moving my mount later this week. I have some Light spillage on the right and left side by two inches or so.

Per projector central I should have the lens 16 2” away from the screen to have the scope screen perfectly filled? If that could be confirmed that would be nice

Otherwise part of me is a little sad that on the few changing aspect ratio films I will be missing out, I guess I should get over that.

Anyways here are a few pics of LEGO Movie 2 Blu-Ray









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Thanks for the pictures very happy for you that you like your new acoustic transparent screen from Elite. Just curious if you were expecting that much of a light loss from the acoustically transparent screen that you can no longer use Echo mode I'm assuming with Alaric settings? Is that due to having to move your projector back so far or is it due to the perforations in the acoustically transparent screen leading to light loss? I know the acoustically transparent screens that Seymour sells come with a Black backing I believe it is supposed to significantly reduce any light loss. Did the elite screen come with any backing?
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I'm using MadVR uscaling on my HTPC when watching rips of my 1080p Blu-rays and there is definitely a difference. Maybe it's not as pronounced with Blu-ray players. I sold my Oppo 203 and only have the older Oppo 103, which is not really a 4K player, although it has 4K upscaling. I'll try to capture a better shot with actual movie content.

That would be interesting to see, though maybe not totally relevant. For the samples you previously posted, what resolution was you computer at for each one?
Just for posterity please keep in mind the images that dimi123 is posting are of the Epson 5040 not the 5050 so please understand he is posting pictures of the older model with first generation technology for pixel shifting and HDR processing
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Thanks for the pictures very happy for you that you like your new acoustic transparent screen from Elite. Just curious if you were expecting that much of a light loss from the acoustically transparent screen that you can no longer use Echo mode I'm assuming with Alaric settings? Is that due to having to move your projector back so far or is it due to the perforations in the acoustically transparent screen leading to light loss? I know the acoustically transparent screens that Seymour sells come with a Black backing I believe it is supposed to significantly reduce any light loss. Did the elite screen come with any backing?


Yes, it came with black backing and that is meant to prevent light from reflecting back onto the screen. The high lamp mode is needed for two reasons. First the projector is about 4 to 5 feet further away and secondly the screen is 21 inches bigger for 2:35:1 content. On a 100 inch 16:9 screen it’s 93 or 94 inches diagonally to 115


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I too picked up the 5050 with the current sale price for the weekend.

Had it up and mounted in nothing flat except a cable issue.

PSA - before running a new cable especially in 120+ degree attic make sure to take note of which end says source and which end says display. You guys can fill in the blanks as to my stupidity.


Only watched one full movie on it so far (Aquaman bluray not 4k disc) and it looks good. Its a definite upgrade over my old HC3000 but didn't blow me away. Granted the only 4k content I looked at so far was some stuff from Netflix which looked nice as well but not holy crap this is amazing. Bear in mind I have not tweaked any settings or anything just turned it on and tried it out.

Out of the box it is a lot brighter than my old HC3000 and the colors have way more pop to them as well. I can definitely see the difference in the blacks vs the HC3000 so that is welcomed change. Will have to see how everything pans out once I get some 4k discs and spend some more time with it.
You really need to try Alarics settings I have some basic ones you can try for Bluray. I came from a higher end model the 3700 and love the 5050UB for Blu-ray, the depth and punch with the deeper blacks is night and day. I think HDR is trickier to find the right settings and slider number to get fantastic results but you can definitely get there with tinkering. The Blu-rays just work with every title I throw at it.


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Thanks for the pictures very happy for you that you like your new acoustic transparent screen from Elite. Just curious if you were expecting that much of a light loss from the acoustically transparent screen that you can no longer use Echo mode I'm assuming with Alaric settings? Is that due to having to move your projector back so far or is it due to the perforations in the acoustically transparent screen leading to light loss? I know the acoustically transparent screens that Seymour sells come with a Black backing I believe it is supposed to significantly reduce any light loss. Did the elite screen come with any backing?
The pictures on my Iphone do these screen shots justice. However, when I upload them online and view on a PC they look dim and have no punch to them. That's not representative to what I see in the room which kinda sucks. The picture looks very vivid in person.

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I got my new AT Elite screen 115” 2:35:1 and it’s awesome. No more black bars it’s such a big upgrade. I am blown away. I now must use high lamp mode for HDR when I was able to do ECO prior. I have the projector on it’s box on an end table for the interim I will be moving my mount later this week. I have some Light spillage on the right and left side by two inches or so.

Per projector central I should have the lens 16 2” away from the screen to have the scope screen perfectly filled? If that could be confirmed that would be nice

Otherwise part of me is a little sad that on the few changing aspect ratio films I will be missing out, I guess I should get over that.

Anyways here are a few pics of LEGO Movie 2 Blu-Ray


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Congrats on the new screen. I made the jump from 1.78:1 to 2.35:1 years ago and it was the biggest change in immersion I made since going to front projection.

Every shifting AR film that I've ran across that isn't directed by Nolan has been scope safe (many of his are as well). Meaning the scope version (which most of us likely saw) is taken directly from the center of the frame. So employing masking in your Epson to crop the film to scope means the picture is exactly what you saw if you watched in a non-IMAX theater.

For films you don't want to crop, just watch it in 1.78:1. Not really any different of an experience than watching it on a plain 1.78:1 screen. I look at it this way about 1% of my collection has shifting AR material, the other 99% looks amazing on a scope screen and has the presentation intended by the filmmaker. It's an easy choice as to whether I want to cater to 1% or 99%. Just watched The Green Book the other day. It has a 2.00:1 AR, hit the lens memory for that AR and viola - no black bars and more immersion than a 1.78:1 screen provides.

I just hope the shifting AR fad goes away. I'd much prefer it be all IMAX AR than shift.
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Congrats on the new screen. I made the jump from 1.78:1 to 2.35:1 years ago and it was the biggest change in immersion I made since going to front projection.



Every shifting AR film that I've ran across that isn't directed by Nolan has been scope safe (many of his are as well). Meaning the scope version (which most of us likely saw) is taken directly from the center of the frame. So employing masking in your Epson to crop the film to scope means the picture is exactly what you saw if you watched in a non-IMAX theater.



For films you don't want to crop, just watch it in 1.78:1. Not really any different of an experience than watching it on a plain 1.78:1 screen. I look at it this way about 1% of my collection has shifting AR material, the other 99% looks amazing on a scope screen and has the presentation intended by the filmmaker. It's an easy choice as to whether I want to cater to 1% or 99%. Just watched The Green Book the other day. It has a 2.00:1 AR, hit the lens memory for that AR and viola - no black bars and more immersion than a 1.78:1 screen provides.



I just hope the shifting AR fad goes away. I'd much prefer it be all IMAX AR than shift.


Thanks for your input. My wife was really on the fence and took a lot of convincing but she is quite pleasantly surprised. I told her should LOTRs be on a bigger screen then The Office for example. You are correct to not worry about the 1% and focus on the far larger majority


So for Aquaman for instance I should use the 16:9 setting or just blank the top and bottom? Can the blanking option be saved or does that have to be manually done?


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Thanks for your input. My wife was really on the fence and took a lot of convincing but she is quite pleasantly surprised. I told her should LOTRs be on a bigger screen then The Office for example. You are correct to not worry about the 1% and focus on the far larger majority


So for Aquaman for instance I should use the 16:9 setting or just blank the top and bottom? Can the blanking option be saved or does that have to be manually done?


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Really it's a personal call. I think Aquaman (haven't seen it) stays mostly in the cropped IMAX AR (16:9), so that might be a case where you leave it in 16:9 and live with the occasional letterboxing. For films like MI:Fallout I would definitely employ masking. The end sequence is the only IMAX part and is completely scope safe.

I can't comment on how the Epson does masking as I don't have one. I'm mainly lurking in here to get a feel on the 5050. I frequently get asked what to buy by friends and family and the Epson 5050 (and 5040 before it) hits a 4K price/perf ratio that is pretty unbeatable. A local AV shop has the 5050, I just haven't had time to sit down with it. Last time I was in the had a set of Sonus Fabers and the Epson 4050 playing Christine on 4K UHD in the front room and I just didn't make it any further. BTW that 4050 unit is quite a performer for someone who just can't quite get to the 5050 price point. Still, lurking in here has made me pretty confident I can give the same recommendation to the 5050 I did the 5040. Sorry I can't help with the masking question though
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Yes, but you are comparing two different blu-ray players /with different resolution and shots/ with one another.
True but it is recognised that the Hobbit series of discs are of very high 1080P quality which was why I used this example, though one image was from the Sony and the other the Panasonic the result is the same because I’ve tried it since I took these shots and on each occasion the Epson looked crispier. There’s also less motion effect leaving the signal as 1080P.

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Really it's a personal call. I think Aquaman (haven't seen it) stays mostly in the cropped IMAX AR (16:9), so that might be a case where you leave it in 16:9 and live with the occasional letterboxing. For films like MI:Fallout I would definitely employ masking. The end sequence is the only IMAX part and is completely scope safe.



I can't comment on how the Epson does masking as I don't have one. I'm mainly lurking in here to get a feel on the 5050. I frequently get asked what to buy by friends and family and the Epson 5050 (and 5040 before it) hits a 4K price/perf ratio that is pretty unbeatable. A local AV shop has the 5050, I just haven't had time to sit down with it. Last time I was in the had a set of Sonus Fabers and the Epson 4050 playing Christine on 4K UHD in the front room and I just didn't make it any further. BTW that 4050 unit is quite a performer for someone who just can't quite get to the 5050 price point. Still, lurking in here has made me pretty confident I can give the same recommendation to the 5050 I did the 5040. Sorry I can't help with the masking question though


Appreciate your help anyways so thank you for taking the time. Not too many guys on this thread seem to have 2:35:1 screens




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Appreciate your help anyways so thank you for taking the time. Not too many guys on this thread seem to have 2:35:1 screens
A few more than you think! Like everyone, I had a 16:9 in the earlier years....2:35 the last ten or so as I grew to appreciate scope and CH!
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You really need to try Alarics settings I have some basic ones you can try for Bluray. I came from a higher end model the 3700 and love the 5050UB for Blu-ray, the depth and punch with the deeper blacks is night and day. I think HDR is trickier to find the right settings and slider number to get fantastic results but you can definitely get there with tinkering. The Blu-rays just work with every title I throw at it.


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Edit: I used to use these but now use Alaric's my iris is down near -10

I'll be giving these and Alaric's settings a go soon. Just need to get a few 4K discs to play with first. I have only one at the moment (John Wick) but have bought a bunch of used ones from the forum lately and should have them soon.



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Chalk it up to heat stroke.

Not hardly. What's infuriating about it was that I set everything up out in the room first with the new cable just laying across the floor to the equipment closet. Wanted to be sure everything worked and the projector was worth bothering with or if I was returning it. Didn't want to do the work to mount it just to take it down.

So everything worked just fine. Did the take down of the old and up with the new. Went into the attic and pulled the new cable through. Came down and hooked it up to test and nothing no signal. I seriously wasted at least 45 mins trying different things (turn off turn on, switching inputs and outputs) I mean everything! I was raging. Wife comes in and asked how was it going after running to the store and I raged again. Then I hooked up the old cable across the floor, it worked. I was so ticked - how in the hell did I break a brand new cable just running it through and attic. So I hop back on the later and went to hook the new cable back and just happened to see SOURCE on the connector to the projector. An immediate ah ha and WTFS MFER look hit my face and demeanor and I went and checked the other end in the closet and it said DISPLAY. I then let out about 9000 obscenities and other made of words of some unknown origin and proceeded back to the attic and rerun the cable - 10 mins later I am up and running no problem.

I had no idea the cable was NOT bidirectional. I wasted over an hour with this BS and sweated off at least a few pounds (that was probably a plus actually) over something so ridiculously simple and beyond easy to avoid. Lesson learned for sure.

If my post saves just one person from this level of stupidity I will feel it was all worth it til then chalk it up to I dunno ... old age I guess.
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hi, those not bidirectional hdmi cables - do they still provide hdmi functionality to control power switch on/off from projector to the receiver, and audio controls from projector into receiver?
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hi, those not bidirectional hdmi cables - do they still provide hdmi functionality to control power switch on/off from projector to the receiver, and audio controls from projector into receiver?

Once I had the cable installed the correct way everything worked fine. I can't tell you about audio to the projector since it all goes to my AVR but the receiver kicks on whenever I turn on the projector.

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Well, new guy in the thread although I've been lurking like crazy.

Slated to have my basement finish starting in July, and I've had my eye set on 2.35:1 screen with a "4k" lens memory projector. Then the 5050 goes on sale! I got the one in stock at my local Best Buy and have not opened it in case I return it.

Working with my uncle who lives a couple hours away to do the home theater install - he owns a home theater business! He's been so busy we haven't had the chance to talk 2.35:1 and throw distance and projectors... But this projector seems to check all the boxes for me on lens memory, 4k, and price point.

Based on what I understand from all the projection calculators, in a light-controlled room, 20' away, with a 135" 2.35:1 screen, I should be golden, right? Am I missing something noobish?

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Maybe I should have phrased it differently. The Epson does not "upscale". It takes a 1080p signal and pixel shifts it, but when receiving a 2160p signal it down-scales it first to 1080p before pixel shifting. The difference comes from the down-scaling as the Epson /or JVC/ is processing more pixels.
This is not accurate. 1080p refers to video in which each frame is displayed entirely in 1080 complete horizonal lines.

With a "4x" pixel shifter, only 1920x1080 pixels are being projected at a time, but the projector isn't downscaling 2160p to 1080p. It's converting a 2160p video stream to a 1920x1080 video stream, at quadruple the framerate, that contains video information from different parts of each original frame. It's more like creating interlaced video, in which the even lines are displayed, then the odd, then even, etc. In this case, instead of alternate lines, it's four sequential lower-resolution versions of the 3840x2160 full frame. "2x" 4K pixel shifters use alternate 2716 x 1528 versions of each frame.

When dealing with a 4K signal, there's no 1080p involved.
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How does the 5050/6050 look with standard cable signals ( Spectrum ) from broadcast channels such as CBS, NBC, HBO ETC. Will be throwing the image from projector about 20 feet onto a 1.3 gain 150 inch diagonal screen in a light controlled environment. How bright in eco mode, for example, and what will the colors and contrast be like compared to a quality SONY TV.
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How does the 5050/6050 look with standard cable signals ( Spectrum ) from broadcast channels such as CBS, NBC, HBO ETC. Will be throwing the image from projector about 20 feet onto a 1.3 gain 150 inch diagonal screen in a light controlled environment. How bright in eco mode, for example, and what will the colors and contrast be like compared to a quality SONY TV.
Eco is probably good enough (though I run at medium since it gives more of a Wow factor and Im at ~12ft for 100in, so you'll probably want to do medium but might be able to drop it to eco), depending on which preset you go with, either natural or bright cinema works fine.

You will notice broadcast artifacts much more though. Even compared to my 5040 which was 1080p, its instantly obvious now which shows are running higher bandwidth and resolution than others. More than that though is also pieces within shows you can tell were filmed at lower quality.

Some of that stuff already stood out, it always does when you're watching at 100in+, but it feels more so on the 5050. That being said when its a show thats given enough bandwidth and you have some of the enhancements turned on it can look fantastic, so it all really just comes down to the original content quality and how much bandwidth your provider is providing for the channel
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Eco is probably good enough (though I run at medium since it gives more of a Wow factor and Im at ~12ft for 100in, so you'll probably want to do medium but might be able to drop it to eco), depending on which preset you go with, either natural or bright cinema works fine.

You will notice broadcast artifacts much more though. Even compared to my 5040 which was 1080p, its instantly obvious now which shows are running higher bandwidth and resolution than others. More than that though is also pieces within shows you can tell were filmed at lower quality.

Some of that stuff already stood out, it always does when you're watching at 100in+, but it feels more so on the 5050. That being said when its a show thats given enough bandwidth and you have some of the enhancements turned on it can look fantastic, so it all really just comes down to the original content quality and how much bandwidth your provider is providing for the channel
Thanks so much for the prompt and kind reply. I presently have the Epson 5020 in the position I would theoretically place the 5050/6050..... so I hope that this should be a notable upgrade in visual performance.
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Oh sorry mistyped I was originally on a 5020 as well not a 5040. I do definitely notice more details and color over the 5020
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Hi - just got a 5050 and am upgrading from a 4050. Any chance the 4050 spare bulb I have can work in the 5050? Assuming not but asking anyway.

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hey how are you? sorry im quoting an older post, i just wanted to request if you could share your opinion on the epson 4050 vs the 5050? since you had both, is the 5050 much better?
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