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No, I believe it was something different.

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There have been multiple 5050 owners that needed replacement units already? What were the issues? Not power supply again was it?
Nope the issue seems to centre around the lamp itself, this was my issue and I recall three others on the UK forum with this same problem.

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Thank you very much for your kind response, would you say the 4050 was dim, like with hdr content? i saw a good video comparison of the 5050 and 4050 projectors side by side with a 4k hdr movie playing if im not mistaken, and the 4050 appeared a little dim in contrast scenes. Was that your experience as well?
The 5050 is slightly brighter. 4050 was slightly dim and after adjusting brightness it was better especially at night. I think the 5050 is a nice upgrade from 4050 in picture quality overall. Not that the 4050 is bad by any means, but the 5050 takes it up a notch.
Thanks once again, thats really helpful since im trying to compare between these two projectors currently to see which i would prefer, my main concern about the 4010, was what i saw in a comparison video, in 4k hdr content where the 4010 seemed to show the normal dimness of the overall picture as ive seen with hdr on some tvs whereas with the 5050 the whole overall picture seemed to stay bright without dimming. But based on what you said that the 5050 is just slightly brighter, and based also on the brightness measurements that projectorreviews showed for hdr content on both the 5050 and 4010, which were both very close! it seems like there shouldnt be much of a difference in hdr content, i dont know if both the projectors were in the same picture mode in that comparison or if one was in a different mode.

Is it possible for you to see the video and share with me if that is the difference you saw in real life viewing of hdr on both these projectors? Sorry for the trouble, would really appreciate it.

Here is the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efhqPjlV1d4

At about 7:55 you can see the first pic comparison where the 4010 really looks dim, at 11 minutes especially, you can see half on thanos' face, and also the whole image looks so dark on the 4010 its really surprising, especially considering that the lumens measurement for the 4k hdr mode are almost equal for both from what i saw in projectorreviews.

It would be really helpful if you could let me know if this is what you saw in real life hdr viewing on both these projectors in the same modes.

Thank you very much for your assistance.
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Thanks once again, thats really helpful since im trying to compare between these two projectors currently to see which i would prefer, my main concern about the 4010, was what i saw in a comparison video, in 4k hdr content where the 4010 seemed to show the normal dimness of the overall picture as ive seen with hdr on some tvs whereas with the 5050 the whole overall picture seemed to stay bright without dimming. But based on what you said that the 5050 is just slightly brighter, and based also on the brightness measurements that projectorreviews showed for hdr content on both the 5050 and 4010, which were both very close! it seems like there shouldnt be much of a difference in hdr content, i dont know if both the projectors were in the same picture mode in that comparison or if one was in a different mode.

Is it possible for you to see the video and share with me if that is the difference you saw in real life viewing of hdr on both these projectors? Sorry for the trouble, would really appreciate it.

Here is the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efhqPjlV1d4

At about 7:55 you can see the first pic comparison where the 4010 really looks dim, at 11 minutes especially, you can see half on thanos' face, and also the whole image looks so dark on the 4010 its really surprising, especially considering that the lumens measurement for the 4k hdr mode are almost equal for both from what i saw in projectorreviews.

It would be really helpful if you could let me know if this is what you saw in real life hdr viewing on both these projectors in the same modes.

Thank you very much for your assistance.

I don't have the 4050 anymore so can't do that comparison...
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Thanks once again, thats really helpful since im trying to compare between these two projectors currently to see which i would prefer, my main concern about the 4010, was what i saw in a comparison video, in 4k hdr content where the 4010 seemed to show the normal dimness of the overall picture as ive seen with hdr on some tvs whereas with the 5050 the whole overall picture seemed to stay bright without dimming. But based on what you said that the 5050 is just slightly brighter, and based also on the brightness measurements that projectorreviews showed for hdr content on both the 5050 and 4010, which were both very close! it seems like there shouldnt be much of a difference in hdr content, i dont know if both the projectors were in the same picture mode in that comparison or if one was in a different mode.

Is it possible for you to see the video and share with me if that is the difference you saw in real life viewing of hdr on both these projectors? Sorry for the trouble, would really appreciate it.

Here is the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efhqPjlV1d4

At about 7:55 you can see the first pic comparison where the 4010 really looks dim, at 11 minutes especially, you can see half on thanos' face, and also the whole image looks so dark on the 4010 its really surprising, especially considering that the lumens measurement for the 4k hdr mode are almost equal for both from what i saw in projectorreviews.

It would be really helpful if you could let me know if this is what you saw in real life hdr viewing on both these projectors in the same modes.

Thank you very much for your assistance.

I don't have the 4050 anymore so can't do that comparison...
No i mean like when youve used both these projectors, have you noticed a difference as big as this?
Thanks
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I recently made the jump from an Epson 4010 to the 5050UB, and I thought that the brief video demonstrating HDR content may not be the best representation of the differences between the two projectors. If I recall correctly, my Epson 4010 defaulted to Dynamic Range HDR setting 2, which is not the brightest setting, and made HDR content look pretty dim. Adjusting to the brighter level 1 setting helped brighten things up, but not to the level of brightness available with the HDR slider settings on the 5050.

While the 5050 does seem to be a little brighter than the 4010 with similar settings, I didn’t find the 4010 to be lacking in brightness; The 4010 did put out a beautiful picture. That being said, I did find out that no adjustments made to the 4010 could produce an image that would satisfy my desire for deep blacks and the high contrast I grew accustomed to through years of Plasma ownership. After tuning the 5050 to Alaric’s settings (Thank you!), I am very satisfied with the picture quality I’m seeing now.
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I recently made the jump from an Epson 4010 to the 5050UB, and I thought that the brief video demonstrating HDR content may not be the best representation of the differences between the two projectors. If I recall correctly, my Epson 4010 defaulted to Dynamic Range HDR setting 2, which is not the brightest setting, and made HDR content look pretty dim. Adjusting to the brighter level 1 setting helped brighten things up, but not to the level of brightness available with the HDR slider settings on the 5050.

While the 5050 does seem to be a little brighter than the 4010 with similar settings, I didn’t find the 4010 to be lacking in brightness; The 4010 did put out a beautiful picture. That being said, I did find out that no adjustments made to the 4010 could produce an image that would satisfy my desire for deep blacks and the high contrast I grew accustomed to through years of Plasma ownership. After tuning the 5050 to Alaric’s settings (Thank you!), I am very satisfied with the picture quality I’m seeing now.
Thank you very much for your kind reply and help, this is really very helpful !! Especially since now i finally have the answers to what has been confusing me for some while. i think ive also figured out why the video comparison was showing the 4010 so dim, it might be the camera angles fault. finally ive got the answers ive been looking for and your reply is very helpful. Thanks again, and thanks very much to @groggrog as well for your kind replies.
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So I picked my 5050 up yesterday, did a simple swap with the 5040 I had suspended from the ceiling and was immediately jarred by the brightness. Yowza, I have some tweaking to do.

I seem to be having some handshake issues (which I didn’t have with the 5040) and any signal coming from my Pioneer SC-97. I had 4K/60p 4:4:4 set to input into the AVR, and nothing seemed to pass. So I switched that to 4K/60p 4:2:0 and everything worked... not sure why that setting worked for 5040, though.

Then I powered up my PS4 Pro and no HDR/60. Also no HDR from the AppleTV. I suspect my 50’ Bugubird HDMI cable is at fault, so I purchased 50’ fiber HDMI cable which I’ll hook up and test tomorrow.

So, some handshake things to work through and some calibration to do. All part of owning a projector.




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The PC6050 is listed on the Epson website as having 20% more contrast. Is that accurate? Is that the only performance difference? Anyone see a head to head yet?

nevermind I found a head to head posted an hour ago on you tube https://youtu.be/f-OpwDCagDc
I saw this this morning, the 6050 certainly seems to have better contrast in this video, both straight out of the box settings.
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Nope the issue seems to centre around the lamp itself, this was my issue and I recall three others on the UK forum with this same problem.
Are you and the others getting 6050's (or the Euro equivalent) as replacement units like Skylarlove did? If they took care of him, I'd hope they'd take care of you equally.
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Are you and the others getting 6050's (or the Euro equivalent) as replacement units like Skylarlove did? If they took care of him, I'd hope they'd take care of you equally.
The TW9400 is basically the 6050. Though I had the same issue as the rest my fault occurred just outside of the 30 day replacement policy but it seems to have been a very minor fault as it took a total of 3 day including transit there and back.

BWT any issue people are having with handshake are almost certainly to do with HDMI leads.
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So I picked my 5050 up yesterday, did a simple swap with the 5040 I had suspended from the ceiling and was immediately jarred by the brightness. Yowza, I have some tweaking to do.

I seem to be having some handshake issues (which I didn’t have with the 5040) and any signal coming from my Pioneer SC-97. I had 4K/60p 4:4:4 set to input into the AVR, and nothing seemed to pass. So I switched that to 4K/60p 4:2:0 and everything worked... not sure why that setting worked for 5040, though.

Then I powered up my PS4 Pro and no HDR/60. Also no HDR from the AppleTV. I suspect my 50’ Bugubird HDMI cable is at fault, so I purchased 50’ fiber HDMI cable which I’ll hook up and test tomorrow.

So, some handshake things to work through and some calibration to do. All part of owning a projector.

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Upgrading from 5010 to 6050!

I ordered a 6050UB and it will be replacing my Epson 5010. I have high hopes that I will be blown away by the improvement in picture quality!


My 5010 still looks great and has served me well, I will sell it to offset the cost of my upgrade and plan on the 6050 to hold me over for another 3-5 years.
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I ordered a 5050, but I think I'm having a change of heart - in favor of the 6050 😜

Anyone recommend a dealer they had good experience with, particularly for that projector? I'll check out the sponsors of course, but I'd love personal feedback and experiences. Please feel free to pm me if you like. I really appreciate any help!
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I ordered a 6050UB and it will be replacing my Epson 5010. I have high hopes that I will be blown away by the improvement in picture quality!


My 5010 still looks great and has served me well, I will sell it to offset the cost of my upgrade and plan on the 6050 to hold me over for another 3-5 years.
Please post your impressions when you get a chance. I currently have a 6010 and have the 6050UB on my list as a possible replacement. I would be very interested in your observations between the 5010 and the 6050.
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Please post your impressions when you get a chance. I currently have a 6010 and have the 6050UB on my list as a possible replacement. I would be very interested in your observations between the 5010 and the 6050.
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I ordered a 5050, but I think I'm having a change of heart - in favor of the 6050 😜

Anyone recommend a dealer they had good experience with, particularly for that projector? I'll check out the sponsors of course, but I'd love personal feedback and experiences. Please feel free to pm me if you like. I really appreciate any help!
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-p...?skuId=6344892

24 month free financing. They do have a restocking fee so be positive before you purchase.
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I believe about 1600 hours.
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24 month free financing. They do have a restocking fee so be positive before you purchase.
Thanks for the suggestion. The financing is a plus, for sure. I hoped with a dealer I might be able to find a somewhat better deal, especially with the 5050 being 200 off right now.

I'll look into it. Thanks again! It's frustrating - seems like finding dealers requires being part of a secret club or something. Anyone have the passcode? 😂
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24 month free financing. They do have a restocking fee so be positive before you purchase.
Thanks for the suggestion. The financing is a plus, for sure. I hoped with a dealer I might be able to find a somewhat better deal, especially with the 5050 being 200 off right now.

I'll look into it. Thanks again! It's frustrating - seems like finding dealers requires being part of a secret club or something. Anyone have the passcode? 😂
https://dreamediaav.com/

They have a good reputation. They make some install videos on YouTube. They are authorized to sell Epson.They ship nationwide and they have the 6050 in stock. Epson projectors generally sell for MSRP even with dealers. Good luck.

https://www.worldwidestereo.com/?gcl...BoCDlEQAvD_BwE

I have dealt with World Wide Stereo personally they have been excellent. They have been in business since 1979 and are authorized Epson dealers who sell Nationwide and ship Nationwide. Once again I doubt you're going to find anybody at this point Who's going to go lower than the manufacturer suggested price.
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Nope the issue seems to centre around the lamp itself, this was my issue and I recall three others on the UK forum with this same problem.
Are you and the others getting 6050's (or the Euro equivalent) as replacement units like Skylarlove did? If they took care of him, I'd hope they'd take care of you equally.
The only reason I received the 6050 was I had two 5040's fail due to power supply issues and the 5050 they sent me as a replacement also failed. At that point Epson did step up and get me a 6050 for which I am very grateful and appreciative. I would not expect the same from Epson for just a one time 5050 failure. I live out in the country and it quite a trek to return 3 projectors and take 3 days off from work to wait for a new projector each time. As always YMMV.
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@skylarlove1999 thanks so much for your help with this, really appreciated.
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The only reason I received the 6050 was I had two 5040's fail due to power supply issues and the 5050 they sent me as a replacement also failed. At that point Epson did step up and get me a 6050 for which I am very grateful and appreciative. I would not expect the same from Epson for just a one time 5050 failure. I live out in the country and it quite a trek to return 3 projectors and take 3 days off from work to wait for a new projector each time. As always YMMV.
Was the 5050 failure also a power supply issue? That is very concerning if the 5050 has the same issues as the 5040.
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The only reason I received the 6050 was I had two 5040's fail due to power supply issues and the 5050 they sent me as a replacement also failed. At that point Epson did step up and get me a 6050 for which I am very grateful and appreciative. I would not expect the same from Epson for just a one time 5050 failure. I live out in the country and it quite a trek to return 3 projectors and take 3 days off from work to wait for a new projector each time. As always YMMV.
Was the 5050 failure also a power supply issue? That is very concerning if the 5050 has the same issues as the 5040.
Full disclosure, I did run the two 5040's with a 35 ft heavy duty extension cord and did the same with the 5050. The manuals for those projectors all state that is acceptable. Epson senior product support states that should not cause any issue either.

Not sure if it was the same issue as the 5040 but yes my 5050 worked for about two weeks and then it flashed blue for three minutes and then yellow and then it turned itself off. This only happened once and it worked for about two weeks after that one instance but at that point I had been through enough.

That is when I got into contact with Epson senior management who did a great job understanding my situation. Very similar experience with both the 5050 and 5040 accept the 5040's did it over and over and then completely died.

I wanted to rule out my setup as the source of the power issues so I had my electrician install a 20 amp dedicated line from the 6050 to my breaker panel just to eliminate my setup as the cause. I have had my 6050 for two weeks now and it is an amazing projector.
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Full disclosure, I did run the two 5040's with a 35 ft heavy duty extension cord and did the same with the 5050. The manuals for those projectors all state that is acceptable. Epson senior product support states that should not cause any issue either.

Not sure if it was the same issue as the 5040 but yes my 5050 worked for about two weeks and then it flashed blue for three minutes and then yellow and then it turned itself off. This only happened once and it worked for about two weeks after that one instance but at that point I had been through enough.

That is when I got into contact with Epson senior management who did a great job understanding my situation. Very similar experience with both the 5050 and 5040 accept the 5040's did it over and over and then completely died.

I wanted to rule out my setup as the source of the power issues so I had my electrician install a 20 amp dedicated line from the 6050 to my breaker panel just to eliminate my setup as the cause. I have had my 6050 for two weeks now and it is an amazing projector.
Did you see any difference at all between the 5050 and the 6050? The 6050 specs are a little higher, but in my past experience, the 5000 and 6000 series were identical in performance. I'm not sure why they list the 6050 as "better" performing. The differences in the past have all been cosmetic - a black case, an extra lamp, a mount, an additional year of warranty. If the 6050 is actually better performing than the 5050, that would be a first. Just wondered what you noticed.
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Correct. I had my settings dialed in very nicely on the 5040 as well and now that I have them dialed in on the 5050 (for the most part) I see an improvement but not leaps and bounds over the 5040. I wanted to be blown away like you have been but I’m not. I’m glad I upgraded because I was so tired of trying to figure out how to get 4K HDR 60hz and using a Linker and then that throws some of my other devices off, etc etc.

So if I compared the settings I had in HDR on the 5040 and what I’m seeing in HDR now on the 5050, I would say overall I notice about a 10-15% improvement. Colors, sharpness, black levels look the same to me but with the new HDR slider, I am noticing better highlights in the HDR picture. Keep in mind I have a Panasonic 4K player that had an HDR luminance slider that pretty much already did what the 5050 does now so I was already getting increased brightness and highlights.


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Hey how are you? i just wanted to request your opinion on something if it's okay with you please, i'm currently debating between the epson 4010 and the 5050. The 4010 is perfect for me except just one thing, 4k hdr gaming. Which is available on the 5050 due to the hdmi but not on the 4010. This is literally the only thing that's concerning me right now, since im personally not interested in any other improvements which come with the 5050. So i wanted to ask your opinion since you seem like the right person to ask, since i see you've had the 5040 (which has the hdmi shortcoming just like the 4010), you've also had the linker on the 5040, and you now have the 5050. i'd really appreciate your opinion.
the questions i wanted to ask you are:
1. How big was the improvement in quality from the 5040 4k sdr gaming, to the 5040 4k hdr gaming with the linker?
2. How big was the improvement in quality from the 5040 4k hdr gaming with the linker, to the 5050 4k hdr gaming without linker?
i hope to also learn from this whether the hdr capabilities added by the linker are really at the same level, and really improve the picture just as much as actual hdr on a capable display like the 5050.

Lastly, im not fascinated by 4k hdr gaming just to get to see that 'im playing in 4k hdr', but its just in order to get the better picture quality, so with that being said would you say that for someone like me, for whom the 4010 is perfect in every other way, would it really be worth spending all that extra money for the 5050 JUST to get games in 4k hdr over 4k sdr on the 4010? (Purely in terms of picture quality)

Thank you very much
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Thanks for the suggestion. The financing is a plus, for sure. I hoped with a dealer I might be able to find a somewhat better deal, especially with the 5050 being 200 off right now.

I'll look into it. Thanks again! It's frustrating - seems like finding dealers requires being part of a secret club or something. Anyone have the passcode? 😂
I know a dealer in NH that will give a discount on PC6050's and Dream Media on you tube will give a discount for their subscribers as well.
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Did you see any difference at all between the 5050 and the 6050? The 6050 specs are a little higher, but in my past experience, the 5000 and 6000 series were identical in performance. I'm not sure why they list the 6050 as "better" performing. The differences in the past have all been cosmetic - a black case, an extra lamp, a mount, an additional year of warranty. If the 6050 is actually better performing than the 5050, that would be a first. Just wondered what you noticed.
The specs on this new iteration of Epson 5050 vs 6050 are no longer the same. The 6050 has a 20% higher contrast number. Is it visibly different? Thats what I am trying to find out. So few people actually have a 6050 to compare though so it close to impossible. I only found the video from Dreamedia on you tube comparing them. They claim they can see a difference.... but to me the video posted on you tube is inconclusive. but again that's a you tube video so take it for what it's worth.
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The specs on this new iteration of Epson 5050 vs 6050 are no longer the same. The 6050 has a 20% higher contrast number. Is it visibly different? Thats what I am trying to find out. So few people actually have a 6050 to compare though so it close to impossible. I only found the video from Dreamedia on you tube comparing them. They claim they can see a difference.... but to me the video posted on you tube is inconclusive. but again that's a you tube video so take it for what it's worth.
Comparing the 6050 to the 5050 would need to be a "blind" test. Expectations will play a role in what is perceived. If you are told the 6050 is 20% better and that is what you expect to see, then you just might see a difference even if there isn't one. The only true way to compare is if you don't actually know which projector is projecting the image at a given time. So, that makes comparisons even harder to do.
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