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I asked this in the 5040/6040 thread too. Not sure if they differ. Anyone know how big a picture I can get from the 6040 with 10 feet of throw? Thx
Here is a a good throw calculator . Only about 75 inch diagonal with 16:9 screen. Honestly you might be better off with a television if your throw distance is so limited.

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Here is a a good throw calculator . Only about 75 inch diagonal with 16:9 screen. Honestly you might be better off with a television if your throw distance is so limited.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ulator-pro.htm
Really? I get a 105-110 inch screen with my epson 8500ub. I would have thought a 6050 would throw an even larger picture. Jeez if that's the case I'll stay with my 8500....
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Ok so I found my projector on there. It claims only 75 inches at 10 feet. I know for a fact that is incorrect so I am assuming everything on that calculator is wrong until proven different. Anyone have their pj mounted 10 feet away?

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Ok so I found my projector on there. It claims only 75 inches at 10 feet. I know for a fact that is incorrect so I am assuming everything on that calculator is wrong until proven different. Anyone have their pj mounted 10 feet away?
Well since you have thrown that size I will defer to you. Sorry the calculator is wrong.
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PLEASE! I have a 6040 and Xbox One X right now w/ a Linker and am really trying to figure out if a 5050 will play nicer. Wondering how many checkboxes you get with the Xbox One X. Look forward to hearing your report!

Out of the box, firmware 1.00 I set it up using my Audioquest Chocolate HDMI that I bought years ago for a 1080p DLP. I figured that the cable might have been the problem used with the 5040. To my amazement, the Apple TV 4K and the XBox One X that were set to the lower video specs (just swapped the cable to the 5050) both switched to the highest setting of 4K HDR. I know you are interested in the One X, only Dolby Vision was not checked.


Right out of the box, the 5050 wastes my 5040 across the board. The Audioquest cable is special (I love the picture it makes/transfers). I won't calibrate it for a while, until the bulb breaks in, but the first look is something to see. Highly recommended over the 5040.
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Well since you have thrown that size I will defer to you. Sorry the calculator is wrong.
No worries. I wasn't trying to be rude. I appreciate your attempt to help.

The 5040 thread gave me an actual epson calculator and it claims a 106 inch screen at 10 feet. I need to get to 11'9" to get my120 inch screen filled.
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PLEASE! I have a 6040 and Xbox One X right now w/ a Linker and am really trying to figure out if a 5050 will play nicer. Wondering how many checkboxes you get with the Xbox One X. Look forward to hearing your report!

Out of the box, firmware 1.00 I set it up using my Audioquest Chocolate HDMI that I bought years ago for a 1080p DLP. I figured that the cable might have been the problem used with the 5040. To my amazement, the Apple TV 4K and the XBox One X that were set to the lower video specs (just swapped the cable to the 5050) both switched to the highest setting of 4K HDR. I know you are interested in the One X, only Dolby Vision was not checked.


Right out of the box, the 5050 wastes my 5040 across the board. The Audioquest cable is special (I love the picture it makes/transfers). I won't calibrate it for a while, until the bulb breaks in, but the first look is something to see. Highly recommended over the 5040. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Thanks for your two cents 😉. Glad you are as thrilled as most of the rest of us 5050/6050 owners. It only gets better with time and Alaric's settings.
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Well since you have thrown that size I will defer to you. Sorry the calculator is wrong.
No worries. I wasn't trying to be rude. I appreciate your attempt to help.

The 5040 thread gave me an actual epson calculator and it claims a 106 inch screen at 10 feet. I need to get to 11'9" to get my120 inch screen filled.
You were not being rude you were just being honest it's good information to know that sometimes what you read on the Internet isn't always correct LOL. Hopefully you can find a way to get your hundred twenty inch screen filled
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So I picked my 5050 up yesterday, did a simple swap with the 5040 I had suspended from the ceiling and was immediately jarred by the brightness. Yowza, I have some tweaking to do.

I seem to be having some handshake issues (which I didn’t have with the 5040) and any signal coming from my Pioneer SC-97. I had 4K/60p 4:4:4 set to input into the AVR, and nothing seemed to pass. So I switched that to 4K/60p 4:2:0 and everything worked... not sure why that setting worked for 5040, though.

Then I powered up my PS4 Pro and no HDR/60. Also no HDR from the AppleTV. I suspect my 50’ Bugubird HDMI cable is at fault, so I purchased 50’ fiber HDMI cable which I’ll hook up and test tomorrow.

So, some handshake things to work through and some calibration to do. All part of owning a projector.




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Following up on my own post, I ordered a 50' fiber HDMI and that has, indeed, solved my issue. Amazing HDR gaming awaits!
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Following up on my own post, I ordered a 50' fiber HDMI and that has, indeed, solved my issue. Amazing HDR gaming awaits!
Yeah I have a monoprice fiber hdmi at 30 feet for my 4k tv.... actually installed it backwards the first time lol.... great cable except the cost.
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Hey how are you? i just wanted to request your opinion on something if it's okay with you please, i'm currently debating between the epson 4010 and the 5050. The 4010 is perfect for me except just one thing, 4k hdr gaming. Which is available on the 5050 due to the hdmi but not on the 4010. This is literally the only thing that's concerning me right now, since im personally not interested in any other improvements which come with the 5050. So i wanted to ask your opinion since you seem like the right person to ask, since i see you've had the 5040 (which has the hdmi shortcoming just like the 4010), you've also had the linker on the 5040, and you now have the 5050. i'd really appreciate your opinion.

the questions i wanted to ask you are:

1. How big was the improvement in quality from the 5040 4k sdr gaming, to the 5040 4k hdr gaming with the linker?

2. How big was the improvement in quality from the 5040 4k hdr gaming with the linker, to the 5050 4k hdr gaming without linker?

i hope to also learn from this whether the hdr capabilities added by the linker are really at the same level, and really improve the picture just as much as actual hdr on a capable display like the 5050.



Lastly, im not fascinated by 4k hdr gaming just to get to see that 'im playing in 4k hdr', but its just in order to get the better picture quality, so with that being said would you say that for someone like me, for whom the 4010 is perfect in every other way, would it really be worth spending all that extra money for the 5050 JUST to get games in 4k hdr over 4k sdr on the 4010? (Purely in terms of picture quality)



Thank you very much
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1. How big was the improvement? Hmmmmm. Not huge to be honest. Using the linker was just downright annoying and frustrating. Pretty much, not worth the trouble to get 4k HDR gaming. Which leads me to the next part of your question, how much better is HDR gaming compared to non HDR gaming? My PERSONAL opinion is that I prefer a really good calibrated SDR picture with 4k gaming than HDR gaming. One of the reasons I say that is because I feel like in order to get a good bright image in HDR gaming, you have to blow the highlights out in the image to give it some pop. With SDR, I can make it as bright and poppy as I want without blowing part of the image out. And the crazy thing is that I don't think the colors pop nor do the black levels look as deep as SDR. Now some games handle HDR better than others. But I've found that all around, it's easier to maintain a great picture with all games by keeping it in SDR.

2. The difference for me between HDR gaming with and without the linker didn't have much to do with performance as it did more ease of use. The screen blanking out for 5 to 10 seconds was frustrating with the linker and I did notice some color banding but not much. I will say that HDR gaming on the 5050 was overall brighter than the 5040 with a linker. It wasn't a huge difference like I expected but it was somewhat noticeable.

I will say that seeing all the check boxes on my One X without having to use a secondary device to make it work is nice but like you said, saying you can play in 4K HDR isn't as important as how well it works. Again, for me personally it's not something I'm head over heels in love with. My SDR gaming settings almost always show a better image than HDR.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Good luck!!!!

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Well, pulled the trigger on the Home Cinema 5050UB today. Got it on the ceiling and briefly messed with the unit, so far, pleasantly pleased thus far. I upgrading from a JVC RS-10 by the way.
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5050UB shuts off at 20 minutes ONLY when watching Fios cable box

As it says... 5050UB shuts off at 20 minutes ONLY when watching Fios cable box

All devices go through a Marantz 7702 and all go out same HDMI output, over a fiber HDMI cable, into HDMI 1 on projector. Have had multiple projectors using exact same setup with no issue.

When watching other sources such as Panny UB820 or NVidia Shield all is good. Once I switch to Fios cable box, projector shuts down at 20 min, as if it was on a timer. 5050UB is days old and no settings changed just yet. I have timed this and it always shuts down at 20 min. Tried changing channels/browse the guide/watch dvr during the 20 minutes and still always the same. Switch to another source and all is fine again.

I see no setting on PJ showing a set timer but if there were then wouldn't that not depend on source? If watching the panny and the movie ends, source feed ends, same thing happens, as it's supposed to , so its shutting down when watching cable as if it were not receiving a signal the whole time.


No light codes/no overheating. The blue light below the power button light will blink just before shutting down, I guess indicating its going into stand by mode. I can turn it back on immediately and if I switch source, all is good. I sat and tested the 20 min time 6 -8 times in a row and it never fails to shut off, multiple times. Any ideas?

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No Signal.

Hello everyone. Just got my 5050ub in and cant get an image to show. I have my Denon x3400h connected with a 30ft fiber HDMI cable directly to HDMI port 1 on the projector. The Epson projects "No Signal". When I plug and unplug the HDMI cable the screen goes all black for a few seconds then just revertS to "No Signal" again, so its at least detecting the connection to some extent. I plugged a mini cable box directly to the projector with a different shorter HDMI cable and it worked just fine. So I am down to either it being the cable, or some setting thats not enabling handshaking between my receiver and the projector. Any ideas? I cant get another fiber HDMI cable locally, but i might try a high speed 25 foot HDMI cable from target/walmart tomorrow. Thanks!
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Hello everyone. Just got my 5050ub in and cant get an image to show. I have my Denon x3400h connected with a 30ft fiber HDMI cable directly to HDMI port 1 on the projector. The Epson projects "No Signal". When I plug and unplug the HDMI cable the screen goes all black for a few seconds then just revertS to "No Signal" again, so its at least detecting the connection to some extent. I plugged a mini cable box directly to the projector with a different shorter HDMI cable and it worked just fine. So I am down to either it being the cable, or some setting thats not enabling handshaking between my receiver and the projector. Any ideas? I cant get another fiber HDMI cable locally, but i might try a high speed 25 foot HDMI cable from target/walmart tomorrow. Thanks!
You may want to try connecting your fiber optic HDMI cable directly first to see if you get a signal. At least some HDMI fiber optic cables are not compatible with A/V receivers so check that too.

I have the following 30ft and it clearly says in the description:
"This Fiber HDMI Cable can' t connects to A/V receivers. Because it is not compatible with A/V receivers."
https://www.amazon.com/ATZEBE-4k-Opt...dp/B07L2YGG68/
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Ok so I found my projector on there. It claims only 75 inches at 10 feet. I know for a fact that is incorrect so I am assuming everything on that calculator is wrong until proven different. Anyone have their pj mounted 10 feet away?
The lens on my Projector is approximately 3.08m from my screen and I can throw roughly a 106” 16:9 image.

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You may want to try connecting your fiber optic HDMI cable directly first to see if you get a signal. At least some HDMI fiber optic cables are not compatible with A/V receivers so check that too.

I have the following 30ft and it clearly says in the description:
"This Fiber HDMI Cable can' t connects to A/V receivers. Because it is not compatible with A/V receivers."
https://www.amazon.com/ATZEBE-4k-Opt...dp/B07L2YGG68/
That’s funny because this is the very cable I have connected between my Projector and my Sony AVR and it works perfectly.
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Well since you have thrown that size I will defer to you. Sorry the calculator is wrong.
If I'm not mistaken, you are not adding the zoom factor.
With full zoom from 10 feet you get 102" screen on the 6040.
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Well since you have thrown that size I will defer to you. Sorry the calculator is wrong.
If I'm not mistaken, you are not adding the zoom factor.
With full zoom from 10 feet you get 102" screen on the 6040.
You are absolutely correct that I did not add the Zoom effect I already apologized for my error but it is a good learning point for other people using that calculator as well. Thank you
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If we're already on the subject of the zoom, can someone please tell me if adjusting zoom to either side effects/distorts the picture (like a keystone adjustment), or is it harmless like a lens shift?
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Hey there! Been doing good, hope you have been as well. I will do my best to give you my opinion on how the 4K HDR gaming is with the 5050. Let's start by answering your questions.

1. How big was the improvement? Hmmmmm. Not huge to be honest. Using the linker was just downright annoying and frustrating. Pretty much, not worth the trouble to get 4k HDR gaming. Which leads me to the next part of your question, how much better is HDR gaming compared to non HDR gaming? My PERSONAL opinion is that I prefer a really good calibrated SDR picture with 4k gaming than HDR gaming. One of the reasons I say that is because I feel like in order to get a good bright image in HDR gaming, you have to blow the highlights out in the image to give it some pop. With SDR, I can make it as bright and poppy as I want without blowing part of the image out. And the crazy thing is that I don't think the colors pop nor do the black levels look as deep as SDR. Now some games handle HDR better than others. But I've found that all around, it's easier to maintain a great picture with all games by keeping it in SDR.

2. The difference for me between HDR gaming with and without the linker didn't have much to do with performance as it did more ease of use. The screen blanking out for 5 to 10 seconds was frustrating with the linker and I did notice some color banding but not much. I will say that HDR gaming on the 5050 was overall brighter than the 5040 with a linker. It wasn't a huge difference like I expected but it was somewhat noticeable.

I will say that seeing all the check boxes on my One X without having to use a secondary device to make it work is nice but like you said, saying you can play in 4K HDR isn't as important as how well it works. Again, for me personally it's not something I'm head over heels in love with. My SDR gaming settings almost always show a better image than HDR.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Good luck!!!!

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Hey, thank you so much for taking your time to give me this very kind reply with all the answers i was hoping for!
i've been good as well thank you.

This answer really helps me out alot with my decision, since to be honest im looking for the best value projector for my needs, and after your answer, as for my personal situation i think i've pretty much decided on the 4010 series over the 5050 as FOR ME it and my situation i find it isn't worth it. Only problem now is, i'm now trying to find good reasons why the 4010 is worth the extra money over the 4000! (Digging as deep as possible to get best value!) Because the only main feature i see upgraded apart from the small 200 lumens and little contrast bump, is the better hdr tone mapping.

Since the hdr tone mapping on the 4000 is probably the same as the 5040, just as the tone mapping for 4010 is same as 5050, do you find that the improved hdr on the 5050 is much better/watchable for movies than the 5040?
Since i heard that the updates with the older models improved their hdr, and also i see that there are alot of hdr settings which those with the older models seem to like and feel it improves the hdr. Is the hdr on the new models still much better and much more of a step up, for movies?

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If we're already on the subject of the zoom, can someone please tell me if adjusting zoom to either side effects/distorts the picture (like a keystone adjustment), or is it harmless like a lens shift?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...topics/2304562

Shifting the lens vertically or horizontally can have an adverse effect on picture quality. Probably not one that most people would ever notice from their viewing distance. I believe your question to be whether zooming in or zooming out has an effect on picture quality please confirm if that is correct there should be topics on the Forum that address zooming as it relates to picture quality.
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If we're already on the subject of the zoom, can someone please tell me if adjusting zoom to either side effects/distorts the picture (like a keystone adjustment), or is it harmless like a lens shift?
Lens shift doesn't seem to have any effect on picture quality on my Epson 8500ub.
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Shifting the lens vertically or horizontally can have an adverse effect on picture quality. Probably not one that most people would ever notice from their viewing distance. I believe your question to be whether zooming in or zooming out has an effect on picture quality please confirm if that is correct there should be topics on the Forum that address zooming as it relates to picture quality.
Yes, that is correct.
I will look for relevant topics.
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If we're already on the subject of the zoom, can someone please tell me if adjusting zoom to either side effects/distorts the picture (like a keystone adjustment), or is it harmless like a lens shift?
My projector is at 3.08m from my 100” screen and you can search the thread and see just how good my images are. There’s another benefit of maximum zoom and that’s HDR as you get the most lumens.
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Shifting the lens vertically or horizontally can have an adverse effect on picture quality. Probably not one that most people would ever notice from their viewing distance. I believe your question to be whether zooming in or zooming out has an effect on picture quality please confirm if that is correct there should be topics on the Forum that address zooming as it relates to picture quality.
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Only a couple pages but some relevant information
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My projector is at 3.08m from my 100” screen and you can search the thread and see just how good my images are. There’s another benefit of maximum zoom and that’s HDR as you get the most lumens.
I'm currently projecting my Benq w1070 to a 92" screen from 2.8m.
The 5050 throw allows me to stay with the same throw distance with maximums zoom, so I was a bit worried about the zoom effect, so thanks for the assurance.
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Shifting the lens vertically or horizontally can have an adverse effect on picture quality. Probably not one that most people would ever notice from their viewing distance. I believe your question to be whether zooming in or zooming out has an effect on picture quality please confirm if that is correct there should be topics on the Forum that address zooming as it relates to picture quality.
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Zoom

Optical zoom allows the projector to enlarge the size of a projected image by extending the lens to magnify the image, without forcing the user to move the projector or to suffer a decrease in the quality of the displayed image. Projectors boasting optical zoom capabilities can often enlarge the image by twice its size without a loss in image quality.

The primary benefit of this feature is that it allows for the projector to be placed at a further distance away from the screen without reducing the quality of the image. The added benefit of the screen being further away is that cables can be shorter, meaning less cost and less signal degradation.

Digital Zoom

Digital projector zoom functions by cropping the image and then enlarging the pixels to increase the size of the projected picture. This allows for the projector to be placed further away from the screen whilst projecting a larger image. The increased throw distance provides the user with greater flexibility when positioning their projector, but the down side is that the more an image is digitally zoomed, the greater the pixilation, and the greater the reduction in quality of the image. Furthermore, it is important to note that digital zoom can only make small changes to the projector’s throw ratio since factory lenses only allow for small variations in the throw distance.

When a projector’s specifications boast 1.3x digital zoom, remember that although you may be getting a 30% larger image, your image’s quality will suffer as the size gets bigger. A 1.2x optical zoom projector may be more expensive, but the image quality when zoomed in will be much greater.
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Well, pulled the trigger on the Home Cinema 5050UB today. Got it on the ceiling and briefly messed with the unit, so far, pleasantly pleased thus far. I upgrading from a JVC RS-10 by the way.
My wife and I have an RS1 and a 120" Dalite High Power screen 2.8 gain. Would you be kind enough to elaborate on the differences you note between your RS-10 and your new projector?


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Hello everyone. Just got my 5050ub in and cant get an image to show. I have my Denon x3400h connected with a 30ft fiber HDMI cable directly to HDMI port 1 on the projector. The Epson projects "No Signal". When I plug and unplug the HDMI cable the screen goes all black for a few seconds then just revertS to "No Signal" again, so its at least detecting the connection to some extent. I plugged a mini cable box directly to the projector with a different shorter HDMI cable and it worked just fine. So I am down to either it being the cable, or some setting thats not enabling handshaking between my receiver and the projector. Any ideas? I cant get another fiber HDMI cable locally, but i might try a high speed 25 foot HDMI cable from target/walmart tomorrow. Thanks!
The cables are 1 direction only so you may have the wrong end in the source and the wrong end in the display.
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