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Makesure CEC (it's called by many different names but is the HDMI control link) is disabled in all the devices. A firmware update may have recently enabled it one of the devices. I remember this problem for somebody a couple years ago with a Marantz and a 5030.
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I can't remember but changing the HDMI Link in the projector to off should actually solve your problem I think the other ones are not necessary but I turned them all off anyway LOL. I have a Denon but should be the same internal parts as most of the Marantz line.
That link was in fact on. I have just turned it off. Watching a movie or 2 with the wife but 21 minutes after I switch over to Fios I will let you all know

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The PC6050 is listed on the Epson website as having 20% more contrast. Is that accurate? Is that the only performance difference? Anyone see a head to head yet?

nevermind I found a head to head posted an hour ago on you tube https://youtu.be/f-OpwDCagDc
I watched that video today and I found the setup to be fundamentally flawed in that there was only one camera used to record the projector images on the same screen. The reason I say this is that the screen utilized for the comparison was not a matte white screen but instead was some form of high gain screen with significant hotspotting. This was evident in many scenes, and glaringly obvious in others. The outcome from this effect is that a bright area displayed on the left margin of the left projector (5050) is in the region of diminished screen reflectance relative to the camera position and looks relatively darker when compared to the same region for the right projector (6050) which is now close to the center of the screen and within the region of high reflectance relative to the camera. For some screens the difference in light output between the center and the far edges can be greater than 30-50%!! This also explains why the guys in the video had to keep weaving from side to side - it was so they could overcome the hotspotting related to their screen.

The only way this type of comparison can be filmed to create a true comparison is to use two identical cameras with identical manual settings placed in the exact same position relative to the projector they are recording, and then combine the two images in post production. Between the lack of discussion and the improper setup, I found the comparison to be very disappointing.

Bottom line, I would not base any buying decision on this video.

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At the moment I have a preorder for a nx7 which doesn’t look like getting filled any time soon. The 5050ub is an interesting alternative, but the sharpness and detail would be a potential concern on my 145” scope screen (1.3 gain). I’m not sure if anyone has posted a 4k quick brown fox test pattern (including a zoomed in pic) with a 5050ub yet to show off its ability to discern fine detail and back up the statements that the shift is better than previous years.

Can someone test this out and post it or point me towards a post that I have missed?
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At the moment I have a preorder for a nx7 which doesn’t look like getting filled any time soon. The 5050ub is an interesting alternative, but the sharpness and detail would be a potential concern on my 145” scope screen (1.3 gain). I’m not sure if anyone has posted a 4k quick brown fox test pattern (including a zoomed in pic) with a 5050ub yet to show off its ability to discern fine detail and back up the statements that the shift is better than previous years.

Can someone test this out and post it or point me towards a post that I have missed?
I see you have been hanging out in JVC projector threads for a while with that quick brown fox request LOL. I'm not sure anyone here is going to be able to do that I don't actually have my laptop with me and I can't remember if I even have that quick brown fox text with all the colors and font over and over. Maybe post that same request over in the JVC owners thread for the NX series and maybe somebody has a 9400 which is the European equivalent for the 5050 / 6050 and see if they could do a test.
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I see you have been hanging out in JVC projector threads for a while with that quick brown fox request LOL. I'm not sure anyone here is going to be able to do that I don't actually have my laptop with me and I can't remember if I even have that quick brown fox text with all the colors and font over and over. Maybe post that same request over in the JVC owners thread for the NX series and maybe somebody has a 9400 which is the European equivalent for the 5050 / 6050 and see if they could do a test.
Yes it’s a common screenshot over there and a great test for sharpness and detail. This helps take away the arbitrary claims of what a projector is capable of.

Here is a link to the qbf file from @ARROW-AV signature if anyone wants it. I would post it directly, but i’m under the post limit for that. I’m not expecting the 5050 to match a 4k projector, but I would like to see how close it gets so I can make a call if it is acceptable for my situation, especially given the serious price saving.
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Yes it’s a common screenshot over there and a great test for sharpness and detail. This helps take away the arbitrary claims of what a projector is capable of.

Here is a link to the qbf file from @ARROW-AV signature if anyone wants it. I would post it directly, but i’m under the post limit for that. I’m not expecting the 5050 to match a 4k projector, but I would like to see how close it gets so I can make a call if it is acceptable for my situation, especially given the serious price saving.
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Yes it’s a common screenshot over there and a great test for sharpness and detail. This helps take away the arbitrary claims of what a projector is capable of.

Here is a link to the qbf file from @ARROW-AV signature if anyone wants it. I would post it directly, but i’m under the post limit for that. I’m not expecting the 5050 to match a 4k projector, but I would like to see how close it gets so I can make a call if it is acceptable for my situation, especially given the serious price saving.
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Yes I think Arrow AV is known for the quick brown fox test. He is a great reviewer of projectors and is basically not biased. I know he was pretty harsh on the first couple of JVC has he got for the 4K projectors I haven't been over there in a while but I think he is a big fan of all three of them at this point and has reviewed all three if I can remember.
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Yes I think Arrow AV is known for the quick brown fox test. He is a great reviewer of projectors and is basically not biased. I know he was pretty harsh on the first couple of JVC has he got for the 4K projectors I haven't been over there in a while but I think he is a big fan of all three of them at this point and has reviewed all three if I can remember.
I think he’d be a lot happier with them if he could get ones that worked. This has been a terrible release for jvc and a massive hit to their reputation for quality projectors.
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Does anyone know if the 8 grayscale steps correlate with specific values (10%-90%)? Just trying to figure out how to calibrate those values using Calman (been a self-oriented user of this pgm for awhile with no formal education with it).
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Well I am thrilled to announce that for the 1st time since I purchased my Epson 5050UB I have been able to watch more that the 1st 20 minutes of a TV program... lol

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Well I am thrilled to announce that for the 1st time since I purchased my Epson 5050UB I have been able to watch more that the 1st 20 minutes of a TV program... lol

Thanks to all who pointed me in the right direction

Did it turn out to be the HDMI link and did you resolve it by just turning it off in the projector?
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At the moment I have a preorder for a nx7 which doesn’t look like getting filled any time soon. The 5050ub is an interesting alternative, but the sharpness and detail would be a potential concern on my 145” scope screen (1.3 gain). I’m not sure if anyone has posted a 4k quick brown fox test pattern (including a zoomed in pic) with a 5050ub yet to show off its ability to discern fine detail and back up the statements that the shift is better than previous years.

Can someone test this out and post it or point me towards a post that I have missed?
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I see you have been hanging out in JVC projector threads for a while with that quick brown fox request LOL. I'm not sure anyone here is going to be able to do that I don't actually have my laptop with me and I can't remember if I even have that quick brown fox text with all the colors and font over and over. Maybe post that same request over in the JVC owners thread for the NX series and maybe somebody has a 9400 which is the European equivalent for the 5050 / 6050 and see if they could do a test.
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Yes it’s a common screenshot over there and a great test for sharpness and detail. This helps take away the arbitrary claims of what a projector is capable of.

Here is a link to the qbf file from @ARROW-AV signature if anyone wants it. I would post it directly, but i’m under the post limit for that. I’m not expecting the 5050 to match a 4k projector, but I would like to see how close it gets so I can make a call if it is acceptable for my situation, especially given the serious price saving.
Here you go folks... I've posted both the 4K and the HD versions of my QBF test pattern

By the way, you will need to make sure that you are outputting 4:4:4 chroma subsampling or else the test pattern won't display properly.

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Yes I think Arrow AV is known for the quick brown fox test. He is a great reviewer of projectors and is basically not biased. I know he was pretty harsh on the first couple of JVC has he got for the 4K projectors I haven't been over there in a while but I think he is a big fan of all three of them at this point and has reviewed all three if I can remember.
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Currently I have the Epson TW8100. I think the equivalent of the 5010UB series here.

Do you guys think it is worth the upgrade to the 5050UB?

I have a custom painted grey screen (SilverFire).
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At the moment I have a preorder for a nx7 which doesn’t look like getting filled any time soon. The 5050ub is an interesting alternative, but the sharpness and detail would be a potential concern on my 145” scope screen (1.3 gain). I’m not sure if anyone has posted a 4k quick brown fox test pattern (including a zoomed in pic) with a 5050ub yet to show off its ability to discern fine detail and back up the statements that the shift is better than previous years.

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I see you have been hanging out in JVC projector threads for a while with that quick brown fox request LOL. I'm not sure anyone here is going to be able to do that I don't actually have my laptop with me and I can't remember if I even have that quick brown fox text with all the colors and font over and over. Maybe post that same request over in the JVC owners thread for the NX series and maybe somebody has a 9400 which is the European equivalent for the 5050 / 6050 and see if they could do a test.
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Yes it’s a common screenshot over there and a great test for sharpness and detail. This helps take away the arbitrary claims of what a projector is capable of.

Here is a link to the qbf file from @ARROW-AV signature if anyone wants it. I would post it directly, but i’m under the post limit for that. I’m not expecting the 5050 to match a 4k projector, but I would like to see how close it gets so I can make a call if it is acceptable for my situation, especially given the serious price saving.
Here you go folks... I've posted both the 4K and the HD versions of my QBF test pattern [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

By the way, you will need to make sure that you are outputting 4:4:4 chroma subsampling or else the test pattern won't display properly.

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@ARROW-AV Thank you for popping over to the Epson thread. Thanks for all you do on AVS Forum. Your projector reviews are so objective detailed and informative. I know you have so many fans on this site and in the home theater community. Thanks again.
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Did it turn out to be the HDMI link and did you resolve it by just turning it off in the projector?
Yes!

Sorry, I mentioned that in an earlier reply that the HDMI link was set to on. Thanks so much for the help.

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@ARROW-AV Thank you for popping over to the Epson thread. Thanks for all you do on AVS Forum. Your projector reviews are so objective detailed and informative. I know you have so many fans on this site and in the home theater community. Thanks again.
I would love for EPSON to sometime soon release a successor to the superb but now very long-in-the-tooth EH-LS10500. Wherein, I would most certainly carry out an in-depth review of that projector as and when it finally appears...

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You're welcome! Always glad to help a fellow AV enthusiast.

When I had the 5040 I was not impressed with the HDR tone mapping (or lack thereof) that came with it. I have a Panasonic 4k player that was very good at handling increasing the HDR brightness without overexposing the overall picture. With the new 5050 the tone mapping is very similar to the Panasonic method. I believe the new tone mapping on the 5050 has 15 or 16 points to choose from. 16 being the most dim and 1 being the brightest. Where the 5040 failed is that there was only 5 different HDR adjustments to choose from. What does that mean? From my eyes, it seemed that anytime you jumped from one hdr setting to the next on the 5040, there was this massive increase or decrease in brightness. Nothing was subtle about it.

The best comparison I can make is sort of like seasoning your food. With the 5050, you can season ever so slightly until you find just the right taste. With the 5040 it's either way too much seasoning or not enough. There wasn't enough level of control. Not to mention, the way the HDR tone mapping looks picture quality wise is much better than the 5040. I feel like the 5040 just overly increased contrast and didn't truly add brightness which made the picture look very blown out. I hated it. There was no real good balance. The 5050 gives you just that. So in that department, the 5050 far exceeds the 5040.

My opinion and my eyes see a better HDR picture when it comes to movies. I no longer use the tone mapping of the Panasonic because the Epson tone mapping is implemented so well. I just wish games took better advantage with HDR like movies do.

Hope this helps!!! I'm here for any other questions or advice you might have my friend. Take care

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That's very kind of you.
i think just like i don't want to pay more than necessary for my needs, i also wouldn't want to cheap out and get a product with inferior performance! thanks to your brilliant explanations i think i've finally understood the difference in hdr i've been hearing about all this time! So the 4010 it is for me!!

This really helped me ALOT! Thank you very much for all your help !!

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JewDaddy did an excellent job of explaining HDR between the 5050 and the 5040 for movie watching. Honestly one of the best and most thorough explanations I've seen on any forum or any review so great work. I would just add that the sharpness level and the resolution is also better on the 5050. Shadow detail and Spectral highlights are also a much higher quality with the Epson 5050ub. And even more so on the 6050.
Absolutely agree!
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I would love for EPSON to sometime soon release a successor to the superb but now very long-in-the-tooth EH-LS10500. Wherein, I would most certainly carry out an in-depth review of that projector as and when it finally appears... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

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I along with other AVS Forum members here in the states attended a demonstration and unveiling of the Epson 6050 in New York City in the beginning of May. It was a world-class event put on by AVS forum and Epson. Epson flew in engineers' from Japan. Rodrigo Catalan Epson's senior marketing Manager for North America was also in attendance. There was also a senior vice president from Epson whose name escapes me at the moment who teased at the event about a 4K laser projector sometime later this year or early 2020. We couldn't pin him down or get a definitive answer out of him but it sounded like a certainty. So hopefully you will get your chance @ARROW-AV &#x1f609;
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I along with other AVS Forum members here in the states attended a demonstration and unveiling of the Epson 6050 in New York City in the beginning of May. It was a world-class event put on by AVS forum and Epson. Epson flew in engineers' from Japan. Rodrigo Catalan Epson's senior marketing Manager for North America was also in attendance. There was also a senior vice president from Epson whose name escapes me at the moment who teased at the event about a 4K laser projector sometime later this year or early 2020. We couldn't pin him down or get a definitive answer out of him but it sounded like a certainty. So hopefully you will get your chance @ARROW-AV &#x1f609;
I am hoping EPSON will be announcing and demoing precisely this at IFA 2019 in Berlin and CEDIA 2019 in Denver in September. As usual I will be attending both trades shows and as always will be sure to stop by the EPSON booth to see what's what in this regard, wherein I will be sure to post the details on here. Fingers crossed!

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The 5050ub is an interesting alternative, but the sharpness and detail would be a potential concern on my 145” scope screen (1.3 gain).
I have a 158" scope screen and I just watched Hacksaw Ridge in UHD and it was by far the most impressive home theater experience I've had. I previously owned the 5040ub and I was happy with it, but HDR was a chore more than anything, with the 5050ub 4K HDR is amazing.
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Hello, just purchase 505O, anyone have a recommendation for mount with acoustical ceiling tiles , I need a 6-8” vertical drop from solid wood to below tile . Thanks

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The 5050ub is an interesting alternative, but the sharpness and detail would be a potential concern on my 145” scope screen (1.3 gain).
I have a 158" scope screen and I just watched Hacksaw Ridge in UHD and it was by far the most impressive home theater experience I've had. I previously owned the 5040ub and I was happy with it, but HDR was a chore more than anything, with the 5050ub 4K HDR is amazing.
You sir are correct. You win this thread for today. So many doubters on here about that the 5050 is a really big upgrade from the 5040ub who just haven't even seen the projector yet. At least go out and view it and compare it to a 50-40 if you have one and then we can begin an intelligent debate.
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Hello, just purchase 505O, anyone have a recommendation for mount with acoustical ceiling tiles , I need a 6-8” vertical drop from solid wood to below tile . Thanks
The Chief CHF 4000 came with my 6050. Best mount I have ever owned and also most expensive. Is this a basement install? I have included a picture of what I did. I put a piece of wood in between two floor joists right above my drop ceiling. Secured that with four heavy duty wood screws. Then mount the threaded pipe to the wood mounting plate I hung. With the mount and the threaded pipe it is seven inches.
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Here's a picture of the threaded pipe and the mount for going into wood or concrete for the threaded pipe
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Here's a picture of the mount and the projector I love that the mounting plate lines up with all the nine holes on the Epson 5050 / 6050.
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Hello, just purchase 505O, anyone have a recommendation for mount with acoustical ceiling tiles , I need a 6-8” vertical drop from solid wood to below tile . Thanks
I did find a similar solution it is a little bit more difficult in terms of doing it yourself what is essentially the same thing for only about $80 including the pipe you have to buy separately and the mount. It's just as secure as the chief mount but not nearly as easy to adjust and to take down the chief now actually comes with a lock and key so you can actually unlock the mounting plate from the actual amount and pull the projector down really easy. Here is the parts picture for the chief mount
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I too have a 150" cinescope screen with my 5050ub. Watching UHD 4K Netflix and/or physical 4K discs is an experience that blows me away every time. My wife and I are extremely happy with the projector at only $2799, you get a ton of features. My screen is a high-end grey ALR, also 1.3 gain.

Honestly, just buy it and enjoy. You can always return it if it doesn't blow you away. My lamp is set to medium, btw. High is too bright for a dark room.
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