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post #1561 of 4315 Old 06-03-2019, 07:45 AM
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Who else spent the weekend comparing the Projector Central settings to @ale ric's?

I found Aleric's "HDR Accurate" to feel more, uh, 'accurate' than the "Best Mode for 4k/HDR." I felt like the "Best Mode" had a little more pop and depth to the image, but also had a bit of red push, particularly in skin tones. I was watching The Greatest Showman for demo material, since its what we were using at the Epson event in NYC last month.

Anyone else have any thoughts on those settings? Hoping I can split the difference somehow.
Yet to have a play myself with them (just spotted them). I've been meaning to get my meter out and have a play with some other settings I have as well (Cinema and Bright Cinema may work better to base accurate/bright off, for this PJ contrary to the idea of following what was done with the older model)!

Alas i'm packing and preping to go to a music festival in Germany this comming weekend so may not really get to play before flying out Thursday, we'll see.

Personally i'm always reading and learning and would like to enter these, see how they read and then tweak them for my exact set-up. Calibration is so very interactive and there are multiple ways to get to a similar destination!

I do find it curious about the 10 vs 8 levels thing. HCFR allows you to set how many patterns used, not sure what software the pro calibrator was using?
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Ordered a 6050 from Dream Media a couple days ago. Can't wait to get it in. My Epson 8500ub has been a great projector but it time for a Faux K upgrade! I get about 114 inch screen from the 8500 at its current distance. I had to alter the projector shelf as the 6050 is much bigger so while I was at it I was able to increase the distance to the screen. Hopefully I will be able to get the entire 120 inch screen filled in. I need to get 11'9" away so we'll see. Zach gave me a good price so I suggest contacting Dream Media if you are in the market.
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Ordered a 6050 from Dream Media a couple days ago. Can't wait to get it in. My Epson 8500ub has been a great projector but it time for a Faux K upgrade! I get about 114 inch screen from the 8500 at its current distance. I had to alter the projector shelf as the 6050 is much bigger so while I was at it I was able to increase the distance to the screen. Hopefully I will be able to get the entire 120 inch screen filled in. I need to get 11'9" away so we'll see. Zach gave me a good price so I suggest contacting Dream Media if you are in the market.
Congrats! Looking forward to your impressions. Also, not many here have posted pictures of their installations. Perhaps you could start a trend!

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I've had my 5050ub for nearly 30 days now. (Just 140 hours on the bulb). I leave it permanently set on dynamic mode, medium bulb brightness, iris off, enhancement set to "4".

Best feature on this projector is the lens memory. I absolutely love going from a 120" 16:9 to 150" cinescope in about 8 seconds.

My screen is a grey, 1.3 gain ALR 2.40:1 aspect ratio with 16-color LED back lighting. Projector is mounted exactly centered. 0/0 keystone.
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Money well spent!

Just received and set up my new 5050 last night. Coming from a Sony VPL-40ES. The 5050 is probably 50% bigger, but once installed from my celiing, it looks very nice, professional. Wish it wasn't white.

Projecting onto a 150" Seymour 130" AV XD Screen (acoustically transparent - very nice upgrade from a regular screen). Projecting at a distance of about 16'. Light-controlled room.

Right out of the box, using the Natural settings with the projectorreviews.com settings, the 5050 is obviously generating much deeper blacks, which sets up the higher contrast with the brighter colors. Very impressive - honestly reminds me of my OLED TVs. Just much, much bigger.

I'm having 4K handshake issues with my "old" Marantz SR7008, so I've got a new cord on order. I was able to plug in my Amazon Fire TV directly into the 5050, so I could see (but not hear) 4k HDR. Very nice.

I'm more excited about how my Blu-rays look, though. I showed my entire family, one at a time, the opening credits of Spider-man: Into the Spider-Verse. Colors really pop. Lots of deep blacks. Lots of bright colors. My jaw literally dropped the first time around.

This 5050 is clearly brighter than my Sony 40ES. Much newer techology, much better projector. I really like the features new to me - like the ability to focus remotely rather than manually - allows me to get right up to the screen and make adjustments from there.

And when I first turned on the projector, and the lens cover slid back - "You had me at 'hello'..." <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
I see you're using the pcmd mount for now. I believe you have a chief mount on order correct? Glad to see another happy Epson 5050 owner. Enjoy.
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Ordered a 6050 from Dream Media a couple days ago. Can't wait to get it in. My Epson 8500ub has been a great projector but it time for a Faux K upgrade! I get about 114 inch screen from the 8500 at its current distance. I had to alter the projector shelf as the 6050 is much bigger so while I was at it I was able to increase the distance to the screen. Hopefully I will be able to get the entire 120 inch screen filled in. I need to get 11'9" away so we'll see. Zach gave me a good price so I suggest contacting Dream Media if you are in the market.
Congrats! Looking forward to your impressions. Also, not many here have posted pictures of their installations. Perhaps you could start a trend![IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Here is pic of my 6050. Mounted in a drop ceiling in my basement. Solid wood board between my floor joist attached with decking screws. Pipe attached with decking screws. I can literally hang from that pipe that holds my 6050UB. Using the chief mount that came with the projector.
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Crutchfield has the 5050 on sale again as does Best Buy.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_278505...omnews=8325888
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Here is pic of my 6050. Mounted in a drop ceiling in my basement. Solid wood board between my floor joist attached with decking screws. Pipe attached with decking screws. I can literally hang from that pipe that holds my 6050UB. Using the chief mount that came with the projector.
Excellent! It appears you have the newer (1) RPA piece (RPA elite) and of course (2) the custom bracket (SLB357) specifically for the 4000/5000/6000 Epson series projectors.

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Crutchfield has the 5050 on sale again as does Best Buy.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_278505...omnews=8325888
I recently purchased mine from Amazon for the same price. Through Amazon, I was able to add an additional 3-year warranty (ASURION 3 Year Electronics Protection Plan) for $57.99, so I'm now covered for 5 years. Then it will be time for the Epson laser projector.
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Crutchfield has the 5050 on sale again as does Best Buy.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_278505...omnews=8325888
Sounds like this is possibly an Epson sponsored/endorsed sale or price reduction...following the trend we saw with the 5040.

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Sounds like this is a Epson sponsored/endorsed sale or price reduction following the trend we saw with the 5040.
It seems strange to me that the 6050 was discounted right away and the 5050 took months for a sale. I have not purchased a projector since 2010.... is this par for the course for Epson?

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It seems strange to me that the 6050 was discounted right away and the 5050 took months for a sale. I have not purchased a projector since 2010.... is this par for the course for Epson?
This is only an assumption on my part....but sales pricing and discounting in general is/has always been driven by sales performance. It's a good bet that sales of 5050's are far greater than the 6050 so early discounting was likely implemented to stimulate sales numbers for the 6050. Perhaps others could chime in with different perspectives or insight.

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This is only an assumption on my part....but sales pricing and discounting in general is/has always been driven by sales performance. It's a good bet that sales of 5050's are far greater than the 6050 so early discounting was likely implemented to stimulate sales numbers for the 6050. Perhaps others could chime in with different perspectives or insight.
The 6050 MSRP is $3999.... and it was discounted hundreds of dollars the day it hit the street so it's not a slow sales issue. I'm guessing because it's a "pro" installers version but that is also just an asumption on my part.

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Who else spent the weekend comparing the Projector Central settings to @Alaric 's?

I found Aleric's "HDR Accurate" to feel more, uh, 'accurate' than the "Best Mode for 4k/HDR." I felt like the "Best Mode" had a little more pop and depth to the image, but also had a bit of red push, particularly in skin tones. I was watching The Greatest Showman for demo material, since its what we were using at the Epson event in NYC last month.

Anyone else have any thoughts on those settings? Hoping I can split the difference somehow.
Yeah you have describe the 4K HDR settings perfectly, when I switch from my calibrated setup to this setup it’s more vibrant but not necessarily as accurate on the colours, this might be due to the contrast level being at 60 compared to mine at 50.

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It seems strange to me that the 6050 was discounted right away and the 5050 took months for a sale. I have not purchased a projector since 2010.... is this par for the course for Epson?
I thought Crutchfield had $200 off about a week or two after launch. I remember seeing it right after I picked mine up and was pissed. C'est la vie.

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I think the difference for me is that mine was professionally calibrated for my projector in my room with my screen which is why my own settings work better but the Natural setting is definitely good too, HDR is a bit of a mine field, I still believe the ones that were calibrated work better but these ones are very good indeed and if you want a vibrant image this setting will give you that.

I think what I am seeing is color correct settings not too far off from default based on what the reviewer wrote along with the settings. I am using Audioquest Vodka to feed sources into my AV7704 and Chocolate for the long run to the projector. Avatar reminded me of when I would drool over the JVC projector in the high-end room. I picked my HDMI cables based on a blind test using entry level equipment. Had no idea the model which I liked best was until they showed me. The difference I see is in the spectral highlights and color saturation. And an empty wallet. The blacks are blacker etc. Not science, just blind viewing for a few hours. Many think I'm crazy and what I see is not there..... but I saw with my own eyes the difference.



Bulb life means I would have to calibrate every six months, and the free settings took lazy me 10 minutes to put in. YRMV. Peace to all!
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It seems strange to me that the 6050 was discounted right away and the 5050 took months for a sale. I have not purchased a projector since 2010.... is this par for the course for Epson?
I thought Crutchfield had $200 off about a week or two after launch. I remember seeing it right after I picked mine up and was pissed. C'est la vie.
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Yeah you have describe the 4K HDR settings perfectly, when I switch from my calibrated setup to this setup it’s more vibrant but not necessarily as accurate on the colours, this might be due to the contrast level being at 60 compared to mine at 50.

I'm thinking that it may be more screen dependent than I had hoped. Mine is an old Draper gray screen. I have another that is white and 1.1. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

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The 6050 MSRP is $3999.... and it was discounted hundreds of dollars the day it hit the street so it's not a slow sales issue. I'm guessing because it's a "pro" installers version but that is also just an asumption on my part.
IIRC, the 6000 series was intended for the custom installers/integrators market. Again, speculating, perhaps the margins were not appealling enough for that segment...hence quick pricing adjustments. After all, these folks are probably pushing "native" 4K pieces like Sony's 295 and higher end models with likely better margins. In any case...just thinking out loud. Now back to the regularly scheduled program!

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IIRC, the 6000 series was intended for the custom installers/integrators market. Again, speculating, perhaps the margins were not appealling enough for that segment...hence quick pricing adjustments. After all, these folks are probably pushing "native" 4K pieces like Sony's 295 and higher end models with likely better margins. In any case...just thinking out loud. Now back to the regularly scheduled program!
Just to add to this, the 6050's are the highest performing models, apparently cherry picked to be able to deliver the slightly higher contrast ratio of 1.2M:1. They also have installer-specific ISF calibration modes and another anamorphic lens setting. With the longer warranty, extra lamp, and mount it's actually a pretty good deal, especially since I doubt anyone is paying MSRP for these things. When I got my old 6500UB back in the day, I remember getting a significant discount (cost +10%) - I hope it's still the same today haha. It would be nice if you could get the regular 5050 in black though.
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Just to add to this, the 6050's are the highest performing models, apparently cherry picked to be able to deliver the slightly higher contrast ratio of 1.2M:1. They also have installer-specific ISF calibration modes and another anamorphic lens setting. With the longer warranty, extra lamp, and mount it's actually a pretty good deal, especially since I doubt anyone is paying MSRP for these things. When I got my old 6500UB back in the day, I remember getting a significant discount (cost +10%) - I hope it's still the same today haha. It would be nice if you could get the regular 5050 in black though.
Im quite happy with the deal I got on my 6050 from Dream Media... and yes I am happy it's black since it's visible. People go so far as to paint their rooms black yet have no problem hanging a giant white projector. I myself had a white pj for 9 years...but no longer
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Im quite happy with the deal I got on my 6050 from Dream Media... and yes I am happy it's black since it's visible. People go so far as to paint their rooms black yet have no problem hanging a giant white projector. I myself had a white pj for 9 years...but no longer
Glad you're happy with the value and color. I would personally prefer a black case but it's never been a distraction for me. My attention is always focused on the image quality on the screen. Funny, my white case looks almost black in the dark!

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Ok, so lots of handshake issues between my brand new 5050 and my 4K Sony UBP-X800 blu-ray player. (I'm so excited to see how 4K blu-ray is going to look!!!)

Screen is mostly black, sometimes flashing for a few seconds, then black. I wait for the issue to resolve, but after 10 minutes of this, not resolving. Not accepting/recognizing the signal from the player. Must be the HDMI cable.

I've tried a couple of cheaper HDMI cables, described as "high speed" and 4K compliant, but it looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is. The run of the cable is 35ft.

So, what HDMI works for 4K, 35ft, Epson 5050 to Sony UBP-X800???

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Ok, so lots of handshake issues between my brand new 5050 and my 4K Sony UBP-X800 blu-ray player. (I'm so excited to see how 4K blu-ray is going to look!!!)

Screen is mostly black, sometimes flashing for a few seconds, then black. I wait for the issue to resolve, but after 10 minutes of this, not resolving. Not accepting/recognizing the signal from the player. Must be the HDMI cable.

I've tried a couple of cheaper HDMI cables, described as "high speed" and 4K compliant, but it looks like it's time to put my money where my mouth is. The run of the cable is 35ft.

So, what HDMI works for 4K, 35ft, Epson 5050 to Sony UBP-X800??? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif[/IMG]

Thanks!
FWIW I have this one (50') and it has worked great...they have a 32' version. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072M73NY9..._6Yz9CbWQQFY8H
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fwiw i have this one (50') and it has worked great...they have a 32' version. https://www.amazon.com/dp/b072m73ny9..._6yz9cbwqqfy8h
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Glad you're happy with the value and color. I would personally prefer a black case but it's never been a distraction for me. My attention is always focused on the image quality on the screen. Funny, my white case looks almost black in the dark!
Oh no I'm sure it's fine. My white ceiling doesn't bother me. Just pointing out the strangeness of Epson having giant white projectors
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This is the one I use and it throws a great image . No handshake issues and very full dynamic soundfield.


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The DELONG has been mentioned several times in earlier posts, after going back and forth for days, I just ordered the DELONG. One of the reviewers said it worked with their Denon AVR-X1500H and I use Denon receivers so that tipped the scale.
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Generally, retailers are bound by manufacturers agreements to only advertise MSRP. All retailers offer discounts to varying degrees...some more than others...but this pricing is only provided by directly calling a given retailer.
I thought it might have been advertised and I missed it...

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Call or email a dealer. Personally I went through https://dreamediaav.com/ because they have free shipping and a youtube channel so very easy to contact with any issues.

Dream Media did an entire comparison video between the 5050 and 6050 with "That home theater guy"

Here is Dream Media video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OpwDCagDc
Here is ThatHomeTheaterGuy's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagojkX52hA&t=2s

They are the same video but each guy shot it with their own camera on a slightly different angle so its cool to check both out.
I know I watched the one 6050 review, I will check out the other one. It will be even harder to leave it in the box until I'm done painting!
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