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Do info, projector info and that will tell you what the projector is seeing as a signal. If it's a 1080p resolution then FI will be available, though if you have fw 1.0 then you can FI or 4k on the pj not both, 1.01 allows both!



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Given my handshake issues described earlier, I ordered three different HDMI cables from Amazon, all being delivered tomorrow:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Nice to be able to try out and return the ones that don't work, or keep the one that is working and is least expensive.
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I'm looking to get the 6050 but want to wait just a bit before upgrading my older Denon receiver. Is there a way to split the signal from a 4K device where the video goes directly to the projector and the audio is sent to my Denon 1912? I'll be using either an Xbox One X or the latest gen Apple TV to send the picture to the projector.
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First, I think you should take the time to read some of the comments from many viewers on youtube about the comparison before you comment any further.

Second, any decision that you made based on a video where one of the projectors is not properly set up is a gamble, but me my guest, your money, not mine.
I've read the comments. I spoke directly to the guys that made the video. They assured me that both projectors were as clear and focused as they could get them. You think they are hacks and don't know what their doing? ok then thats your opinion. You can always feel free to put no weight on the video and ignore it. "That Home Theater dude" Purchased one of the projectors. Don't you think he would want the comparison to be set up correctly?

It obviously doesn't carry through the camera and computer for some people.

AGAIN.... the only way to know for sure is to have them in your own theater. I'm sure you would agree with that.

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I've read the comments. I spoke directly to the guys that made the video. They assured me that both projectors were as clear and focused as they could get them. "That Home Theater dude" Purchased one of the projectors. Don't you think he would want the comparison to be set up correctly?

It obviously doesn't carry through the camera and computer for some people.

AGAIN.... the only way to know for sure is to have them in your own theater. I'm sure you would agree with that.
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You fan clearly see at 3:30 in their comparison video though, that the 5050 on the left is blurry/out of focus, they even admit to it in the comments.
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Anyone know what the 1.01 firmware does? Mine came with 1.00 so I'm guessing it is one of the first off the assembly line. Maybe I got a 6050 (delayed 6 months) in disguise, lol. Thanks in advance!
On 1080P source material it allows you to turn on 4K enhancement (e-shift) and still use the FI function, with the 1.00 firmware you can only use one or the other but not both.
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Strange but I wouldn't freak about an amateur video production. I've seen the 5050 side and side with all the Sony's and a couple of others including a +7K LG laser prototype and nothing about the Epson was blurry, out of focus or stood out in a negative way. I don't know these guys or their affiliations but I do know that videos with intentionally subtle and seemingly innocent things that are not not quite right are increasing in every sector including mass marketing...because without addressing the obvious, they strongly influence people to believe what they see and hear, not what they read, and question what they already know.....just ask the Russians, they are masters at it. hehe, they also divide people and make them argue about what they see...just like the above posts. If you don't consider it, you ain't thinkin'.

What I find strange is why Epson made and markets the 5050 and the 6050 near simultaneously? It might no be the best analogy, but what if a major AVR maker offered two near identical models, one in silver, one in black. The black one has 10 more watts per channel, comes with complimentary wires and cables, has a one year longer warranty, is harder to get and costs 50% more than the silver one. Maybe not a perfect comparison, but I think most can relate to it. I know which one I would buy, and I'm guessing I know which one the manufacturer wants me to buy. Auto makers do such things and call the higher volume, "bread and butter" model a "loss leader". Any other thoughts as to why Epson did this?

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Given my handshake issues described earlier, I ordered three different HDMI cables from Amazon, all being delivered tomorrow:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Nice to be able to try out and return the ones that don't work, or keep the one that is working and is least expensive.

The Delong cable works!!!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Story: I saw that all three cables were sitting at the local Post Office, waiting to go onto the truck for delivery. Being the insane person I am, I went over there to intercept the cables, so as not to wait a few hours to get them delivered. Only the Delong was easily locatable, so I took that one home and tried it out. And it friggin' works! No handshake issues.

I believe this was the cheapest of the three, so the other two are going back.

Now I get to see 4K blu-ray and streaming in all their glory. Holy cow - I am sooo impressed by this projector.

Now, if I can only get the wife to admit that she sees a difference compared to the old Sony. "Looks like a regular VCR tape to me..."
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Given my handshake issues described earlier, I ordered three different HDMI cables from Amazon, all being delivered tomorrow:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Nice to be able to try out and return the ones that don't work, or keep the one that is working and is least expensive. <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

The Delong cable works!!!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Story: I saw that all three cables were sitting at the local Post Office, waiting to go onto the truck for delivery. Being the insane person I am, I went over there to intercept the cables, so as not to wait a few hours to get them delivered. Only the Delong was easily locatable, so I took that one home and tried it out. And it friggin' works! No handshake issues.

I believe this was the cheapest of the three, so the other two are going back.

Now I get to see 4K blu-ray and streaming in all their glory. Holy cow - I am sooo impressed by this projector.

Now, if I can only get the wife to admit that she sees a difference compared to the old Sony. "Looks like a regular VCR tape to me..."
I'm fairly certain that everyone on this forum has gone to the post office or FedEx or UPS and intercepted either Hardware or software that was supposed to be delivered later in the day because we just couldn't wait. LOL. So all of us are a bit off when it comes to audio-video and home theater. I would try the other 2 cables to see if you get a better picture or better audio. I did test out several from Amazon and wound up with the Furui . I thought it gave an image with less noise and a more dynamic more enveloping soundfield. Could just be me. LOL. Happy to hear you resolved your handshake issues and you are thrilled with your picture.
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I'm fairly certain that everyone on this forum has gone to the post office or FedEx or UPS and intercepted either Hardware or software that was supposed to be delivered later in the day because we just couldn't wait. LOL. So all of us are a bit off when it comes to audio-video and home theater. I would try the other 2 cables to see if you get a better picture or better audio. I did test out several from Amazon and wound up with the Furui . I thought it gave an image with less noise and a more dynamic more enveloping soundfield. Could just be me. LOL. Happy to hear you resolved your handshake issues and you are thrilled with your picture.

I might be confused here, but a long HDMI run to the projector from your processor/AVR, will have no impact on audio/sound. If you are using said cables between your sources and processor/AVR, I stand corrected. But, the conversion to optic will degrade the audio when compared to direct copper/silver HDMI. Just my observation over the years.

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I'm fairly certain that everyone on this forum has gone to the post office or FedEx or UPS and intercepted either Hardware or software that was supposed to be delivered later in the day because we just couldn't wait. LOL. So all of us are a bit off when it comes to audio-video and home theater. I would try the other 2 cables to see if you get a better picture or better audio. I did test out several from Amazon and wound up with the Furui . I thought it gave an image with less noise and a more dynamic more enveloping soundfield. Could just be me. LOL. Happy to hear you resolved your handshake issues and you are thrilled with your picture.

I might be confused here, but a long HDMI run to the projector from your processor/AVR, will have no impact on audio/sound. If you are using said cables between your sources and processor/AVR, I stand corrected. But, the conversion to optic will degrade the audio when compared to direct copper/silver HDMI. Just my observation over the years.
I appreciate your observations and experience. I was relating my experience with fiber optic HDMI cables going between my projector and AVR at a distance of 50 ft. As always YMMV.
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I'm fairly certain that everyone on this forum has gone to the post office or FedEx or UPS and intercepted either Hardware or software that was supposed to be delivered later in the day because we just couldn't wait. LOL. So all of us are a bit off when it comes to audio-video and home theater. I would try the other 2 cables to see if you get a better picture or better audio. I did test out several from Amazon and wound up with the Furui . I thought it gave an image with less noise and a more dynamic more enveloping soundfield. Could just be me. LOL. Happy to hear you resolved your handshake issues and you are thrilled with your picture.

I just got the other two cables delivered. One is the Furui you recommend.

You really think one can see a difference in picture quality via different HDMI cables?!? I'm willing to try, but seems far-fetched to me...
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I'm fairly certain that everyone on this forum has gone to the post office or FedEx or UPS and intercepted either Hardware or software that was supposed to be delivered later in the day because we just couldn't wait. LOL. So all of us are a bit off when it comes to audio-video and home theater. I would try the other 2 cables to see if you get a better picture or better audio. I did test out several from Amazon and wound up with the Furui . I thought it gave an image with less noise and a more dynamic more enveloping soundfield. Could just be me. LOL. Happy to hear you resolved your handshake issues and you are thrilled with your picture.

I just got the other two cables delivered. One is the Furui you recommend.

You really think one can see a difference in picture quality via different HDMI cables?!? I'm willing to try, but seems far-fetched to me...
I thought the same thing until I tried it LOL.YMMV. Up to you.
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I appreciate your observations and experience. I was relating my experience with fiber optic HDMI cables going between my projector and AVR at a distance of 50 ft. As always YMMV.

Thanks Skylar, but there is no audio on that cable. That is why I was confused by the improved audio comment. Peace be with you.

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I thought the same thing until I tried it LOL.YMMV. Up to you.
The Delong = $70.

The Dtech = $90.

The Furui = $100.

Is the Furui worth the extra $$$? $30 gets me a couple of new 4K movies...
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I appreciate your observations and experience. I was relating my experience with fiber optic HDMI cables going between my projector and AVR at a distance of 50 ft. As always YMMV.

Thanks Skylar, but there is no audio on that cable. That is why I was confused by the improved audio comment. Peace be with you.
You are 100% correct there is no audio going from the AVR to the projector on a fiber optic HDMI cable. My comments were not clear I do apologize.
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The Delong = $70.

The Dtech = $90.

The Furui = $100.

Is the Furui worth the extra $$$? $30 gets me a couple of new 4K movies...
View for yourself. Or not. Maybe you see no difference. Maybe you do. I also have a power conditioner in my set up that I can say reduced video noise and made my audio sound cleaner. Many people don't believe a power conditioner will affect your audio and video quality. I believe my eyes and ears. Same with the cable.
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You are 100% correct there is no audio going from the AVR to the projector on a fiber optic HDMI cable. My comments were not clear I do apologize.

No need to apologize, or stop effusing about a projector that you love. We whom own them are right there with you
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Does anyone use a DIY spandex screen? I just bought a new house with a spare room that I am going to convert into a dedicated theater and want a AT screen but don't want to spend a ton on a screen right now. Was hoping the high lumen output that a spandex screen would still be possible. Have not contacted any companies that sell just the screen material yet but that is an option.

Thinking about a 140" 2.35:1 screen with a throw around 17'
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Does anyone use a DIY spandex screen? I just bought a new house with a spare room that I am going to convert into a dedicated theater and want a AT screen but don't want to spend a ton on a screen right now. Was hoping the high lumen output that a spandex screen would still be possible. Have not contacted any companies that sell just the screen material yet but that is an option.

Thinking about a 140" 2.35:1 screen with a throw around 17'
Here are some threads on spandex screens. Happy researching.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/110-d...2957582?page=2

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/110-d...topics/2945420

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/110-d...topics/2677969
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Which brand and model# is the power conditioner you put your faith in?
I'd like to see if it makes a difference in in my system, too.
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I just got the other two cables delivered. One is the Furui you recommend.

You really think one can see a difference in picture quality via different HDMI cables?!? I'm willing to try, but seems far-fetched to me...
It is possible as all the cables are active, so the electronics on each end probably differ and may result in a difference visible to the eye.
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I have read through most of these but was asking if anyone running a 5050 or 6050 is using a spandex screen and if they are happy with the results. I have never seen one in action and was hoping to hear back from current owners on their opinion of the picture quality.
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I have read through most of these but was asking if anyone running a 5050 or 6050 is using a spandex screen and if they are happy with the results. I have never seen one in action and was hoping to hear back from current owners on their opinion of the picture quality.
I believe in some of those threads there are people who are running spandex screens with the Epson 5040 who are quite pleased with the results. I would have to imagine with the performance level of the 5050 and 6050 being better than the 5040 that you would be able to feel confident in pairing them with a spandex screen. YMMV.
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It is possible as all the cables are active, so the electronics on each end probably differ and may result in a difference visible to the eye.
I fished both HDMIs through the ceiling, tried out both, and both were successful in my primary goal - no handshake issues.

In the end, it was easier to leave both in place, one for my 4K blu-ray player, one for my htpc. Nice knowing I am running the newest tech HDMI cables. I spent all this money on a shiny new PJ, might as well spend a little more on a couple of nice HDMI cables. Not a time to get cheap...
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Which brand and model# is the power conditioner you put your faith in?
I'd like to see if it makes a difference in in my system, too.
This is the one I use. Big and bulky so not for everyone. But one of the best bang for my buck upgrades I did in my theater. Occasionally it goes down in price but I haven't seen a price drop for a while. Too many people buying at this price. LOL.

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Just got my 5050UB installed last weekend. Upgraded from a Pioneer Elite FJP-1 circa 2009. WOW! what a difference, no surprise.
I have loaded Alaric's calibration settings and love them for 4K movies and material. For HD sports I feel I need different settings. Close ups look great, but when the entire field or court is shown, the image is almost too bright and not crisp. I have tinkered some, but still not happy with the results. What settings are others watching sports with ?

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Which brand and model# is the power conditioner you put your faith in?
I'd like to see if it makes a difference in in my system, too.
This is the one I use. Big and bulky so not for everyone. But one of the best bang for my buck upgrades I did in my theater. Occasionally it goes down in price but I haven't seen a price drop for a while. Too many people buying at this price. LOL.

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Just found it for a much lower price. I have no experiences with this retailer but it 50% less than I have seen anywhere else.

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