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Epson 5050UB $2,699 on Amazon Prime, BestBuy, etc..

https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Home-Ci...s%2C157&sr=8-1

BestBuy

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-h...?skuId=6344895

and probably everywhere else.

LINKS FIXED.... I hope.

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Epson 5050UB $2,699 on Amazon Prime, BestBuy, etc..

https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Home-Ci...SIN=B07P7Y3D6G

BestBuy

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...=960&keys=keys


and probably everywhere else.
Links not working....likely that pricing was in error...wouldn't be surprised to see $2499 around the holidays though!

Edit: Going directly to their sites...works!
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Links not working....likely that pricing was in error...wouldn't be surprised to see $2499 around the holidays though!

Edit: Going directly to their sites...works!

Odd about the links but I will fix both. Thank you.

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Got it, but I thought the projector exhausted air out the front. If it exhausted out the back, the box would cause heating issues.
Box does NOT have a front or rear cover, so open front and open back, airflow is not an issue or restricted in any way, and as I mention when in high lamp mode it quiets the PJ significantly vs a standard ceiling mount.

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Problem is that the throw ratio calculator is showing me that I could only get 84" from 2.5 m . The length of my room, wall to wall, is a total of 3 m. Are there any lenses (ways) which would help getting a higher image coming out of this pj? At least a 95".
As @Gellert wrote, you are pretty much stuck with the throw range provided. I keep hoping for a shorter throw, high contrast projector, but so far no luck.
Do more people need to hit a 120" screen from 25 feet back than those of us with only 10 feet? According to Epson, JVC and Sony the answer is an absolute "yes".
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As @Gellert wrote, you are pretty much stuck with the throw range provided. I keep hoping for a shorter throw, high contrast projector, but so far no luck.
Do more people need to hit a 120" screen from 25 feet back than those of us with only 10 feet? According to Epson, JVC and Sony the answer is an absolute "yes".
I will wait for the Viewsonic LS700-4k (advertised as having a low input lag -16ms). That one is more forgiving, and there is a potential of 103"-107" in my room. I`m going to lose the Epson`s nicer image quality though , which is a bummer.
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Epson 5050UB $2,699 on Amazon Prime, BestBuy, etc..

https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Home-Ci...s%2C157&sr=8-1

BestBuy

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-h...?skuId=6344895

and probably everywhere else.

LINKS FIXED.... I hope.
Just received an email from Crutchfield. ..appparently this is the new price (MSRP) and not a sales price.

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Epson 5050UB $2,699 on Amazon Prime, BestBuy, etc..



https://www.amazon.com/Epson-Home-Ci...s%2C157&sr=8-1



BestBuy



https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-h...?skuId=6344895



and probably everywhere else.



LINKS FIXED.... I hope.


Wow cool. I just ordered my replacement from Crutchfield and they didn’t ship it yet but had the same price. Ended up saving another 100 for my dust blob!

Is this normal for Epson to keep loading their projectors like this? I thought this model was fairly new. Maybe a new one is coming?


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Wow cool. I just ordered my replacement from Crutchfield and they didn’t ship it yet but had the same price. Ended up saving another 100 for my dust blob!

Is this normal for Epson to keep loading their projectors like this? I thought this model was fairly new. Maybe a new one is coming?


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The 5050/6050 are Epson's current models (2018 - were introduced in Europe first). The 6050 reportedly was discounted almost immediately after introduction. Why the 5050 is being discounted at this time is pure speculation. In any case, the reasons could be sales performance, competition, possible model replacement (but feels too soon), or product and price positioning due to Epson's forthcoming native 4K PJ. In any case, it's a good bet that some info will come out of CEDIA.

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Debating on the 6050 vs. 5050. Things I like but won't pay for up front are the lamp, color (although black is preferable), mount (already have that), and not terribly worried about the extra year of warranty. What I WILL pay for are better optics from the projector and in a recent article I've seen mention that the 6050 is part of a "replacement program." We can debate all day long whether or not the optics will indeed be better and probably never have that completely settled. However, what is the Epson "replacement program" and does that 5050 participate in that as well?
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Debating on the 6050 vs. 5050. Things I like but won't pay for up front are the lamp, color (although black is preferable), mount (already have that), and not terribly worried about the extra year of warranty. What I WILL pay for are better optics from the projector and in a recent article I've seen mention that the 6050 is part of a "replacement program." We can debate all day long whether or not the optics will indeed be better and probably never have that completely settled. However, what is the Epson "replacement program" and does that 5050 participate in that as well?
Epson's warranty program replaces/exchanges defective PJ's utilizing a pool of refurbs. I suspect that their "replacement program" is what the article is referring to. The anecdotal evidence in this thread suggests it's a speedy exchange but tends to be a game of roulette as some have received perfect replacement units while others have had to exchange units multiple times. I'm sure others will chime in with their experience(s).

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Any clue which one you are preferring at the moment? (sort of sounds like the ht5550) Im coming from a 5020ub so had my sights set on the 5050 this week but the only thing that has me leary is the half res in comparison to something like the 5550 offering full res, but then Im assuming at the cost of contrast. Grrr choices

The 5050 is far superior to anything Benq puts out. You will be very, very happy with it.
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Wow cool. I just ordered my replacement from Crutchfield and they didn’t ship it yet but had the same price. Ended up saving another 100 for my dust blob!

Is this normal for Epson to keep loading their projectors like this? I thought this model was fairly new. Maybe a new one is coming?


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The 5050/6050 are Epson's current models (2018 - were introduced in Europe first). The 6050 reportedly was discounted almost immediately after introduction. Why the 5050 is being discounted at this time is pure speculation. In any case, the reasons could be sales performance, competition, possible model replacement (but feels too soon), or product and price positioning due to Epson's forthcoming native 4K PJ. In any case, it's a good bet that some info will come out of CEDIA.
Early adopter tax. If some people are willing to pay $3000 why not take their money. I don't think it's worth $3000 to me, and obviously Epson and the majority of consumers at this point agree. I'm betting the new price becomes standard and we see $2399 by Black Friday. That's a fair price to me.
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Early adopter tax. If some people are willing to pay $3000 why not take their money. I don't think it's worth $3000 to me, and obviously Epson and the majority of consumers at this point agree. I'm betting the new price becomes standard and we see $2399 by Black Friday. That's a fair price to me.
Is that a strategy taught in business colleges?

If one followed the 5040’s price trend, it’ll at least be $2499 entering the holiday season.

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Is that a strategy taught in business colleges?

If one followed the 5040’s price trend, it’ll at least be $2499 entering the holiday season.
It's called capitalism for a reason.
How about 2399 for Black Friday, back up to 2699 afterwards, and 2499 for Christmas.
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I will wait for the Viewsonic LS700-4k (advertised as having a low input lag -16ms). That one is more forgiving, and there is a potential of 103"-107" in my room. I`m going to lose the Epson`s nicer image quality though , which is a bummer.
I'm in a similar boat as you. Stuck with a throw of only 8.5 feet which limits me to an 80" image on the Epson. I really want to upgrade my W1070 to something with better blacks and contrast but few other projectors can throw a 100" image from the same distance.
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mine is the same as yours. the first one is the current firmware


It’s strange because I still can’t do frame interpolation and e-shift simultaneously...
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Epson's warranty program replaces/exchanges defective PJ's utilizing a pool of refurbs. I suspect that their "replacement program" is what the article is referring to. The anecdotal evidence in this thread suggests it's a speedy exchange but tends to be a game of roulette as some have received perfect replacement units while others have had to exchange units multiple times. I'm sure others will chime in with their experience(s).
I went through 2 4000 replacements only to have both replacements worse than the original. Now I am out of warranty. Epson can bite me sending me their used crap when Benq sent me a new replacement. I game on 4K pc, so fast is in the epson/Jvc category. Definitely stepping up to the JVC realm this time around. I am not going to lie. I am very tempted by the 5050 but what I just went through, I'd rather go with the JVC X790.

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Does anyone have experience running this projector on a Denon receiver while trying to use Monitor 2 with the projector off? I keep getting HDCP errors and Denon claims it’s a problem with the projector. The only way to get HDCP content on monitor 2 is if I physically unplug the projector or turn it on.

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I know we're a bunch of early adopting, hyper critical aficionados here, but does it seem like there's an awful lot of Quality Control issues with this unit? I know its technically "new" but the 9400 has been out for a long time.

Seems like a lot of dust blobs and other related probs. I'm on my 3rd unit, but at least got the QA team to check out the most recent one before they shipped it out. Got a nice "letter" in the box that said the unit was good to go. Definitely a huge improvement over the lens scratch / blobs I had in my 2nd unit.

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I know we're a bunch of early adopting, hyper critical, detail oriented aficianados, but does there seem to be a high rate of return from people on this board?

I'm on my 3rd unit, but at least I got a letter saying that the QA team inspected it before it was sent out.

The 5050 is a "new" model, but the 9400 has been out a while. Anyone else think this is a little bit of a quality control issue?

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I really hope nobody in Canada is paying anywhere near full price for these things. $2799 USD = $3700 CAD and they are "on sale" for $4600 CAD most places. I would expect some very heavy discounts from retailers if they don't want Canadians simply shopping South of the boarder. There is a extra $1000 in there for seemingly no reason. Virtually all other electronics sold here are priced roughly at the FX conversion compared to the USA sale prices.
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I know we're a bunch of early adopting, hyper critical aficionados here, but does it seem like there's an awful lot of Quality Control issues with this unit? I know its technically "new" but the 9400 has been out for a long time.

Seems like a lot of dust blobs and other related probs. I'm on my 3rd unit, but at least got the QA team to check out the most recent one before they shipped it out. Got a nice "letter" in the box that said the unit was good to go. Definitely a huge improvement over the lens scratch / blobs I had in my 2nd unit.
Reading on forums is going to give you a highly disproportionate sample size of unhappy users highlighting their issues. People are also many times more likely to post about issues than to say they have one and it's working great. I realize there aren't many other sources of information on the matter, but considering how many of these PJ's get sold and the incredibly small sample size here, I wouldn't worry about it too much - especially with Epson's legendary customer service. Sounds like you went through a few units though which is certainly unfortunate, but very likely also not the norm. Failure rates in high-end consumer electronics are typically very low, usually low single digit percentages.

More of a personal theory, but what I always ask myself is what is the least reliable mass produced consumer electronic I can think of? A traditional spinner hard drive. The most unreliable hard drives out there have failure rates of around 5% across tens of thousands of units, so I tend to believe that things like projectors have much better overall reliability than that. Again, just a thought.
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Does anyone have experience running this projector on a Denon receiver while trying to use Monitor 2 with the projector off? I keep getting HDCP errors and Denon claims it’s a problem with the projector. The only way to get HDCP content on monitor 2 is if I physically unplug the projector or turn it on.

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I have had similar issues in the past with a Marantz. I replaced the Marantz with a Pioneer (for other reasons) and no longer have the HDCP errors.
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Reading on forums is going to give you a highly disproportionate sample size of unhappy users highlighting their issues. People are also many times more likely to post about issues than to say they have one and it's working great. I realize there aren't many other sources of information on the matter, but considering how many of these PJ's get sold and the incredibly small sample size here, I wouldn't worry about it too much - especially with Epson's legendary customer service.

I would say the large majority wouldn’t even notice the issues but that doesn’t mean they aren’t still there. Having dust blobs in the internals is definitely a manufacturing process problem you would expect someone like Epson to have figured out by now. Either that or it’s a design flaw where dust is able to enter the internals as part of shipping and/or normal usage. From reading here it sounds like Epson realizes their issues across the board and augmented with “excellent customer service” to bridge the gap. Otherwise, no one would buy their products.

I do agree it’s probably worthwhile not to worry too much about it, knowing u can get a replacement if needed. However, I do think it is important to be aware of the issues so you can properly inspect the device when you get it new so you have an opportunity to get it replaced with a new one vs getting stuck with a refurb further down the line. It’s unfortunate we have to deal with this kind of thing as consumers but enthusiasts are definitely a minority when considering their total business. I would say the majority are just people who hired some company to come setup a media room in their homes and are probably rarely going to use it as a novelty/movie night with the family.




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Good Afternoon,

So Calibration question in regards to 3d Option.. is it best practice to use "SDR" cali that both alaric and or projector review provided and then just plug that into one of the two 3d picture settings? or does anyone have any good options in view. I also have a question in regards to 3d... If im using cinescope Screen and have a 3d movie in 2.35.1, 2.40.1 etc etc.. on bluray player and or ps4 there is an option for screen size.. what size would i use .. I have a 128 inch silver ticket curved 2.35.1 and always wondered what correct sizeing would be.. any help on this matter would be great to hear..
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I would say the large majority wouldn’t even notice the issues but that doesn’t mean they aren’t still there. Having dust blobs in the internals is definitely a manufacturing process problem you would expect someone like Epson to have figured out by now. Either that or it’s a design flaw where dust is able to enter the internals as part of shipping and/or normal usage. From reading here it sounds like Epson realizes their issues across the board and augmented with “excellent customer service” to bridge the gap. Otherwise, no one would buy their products.

I do agree it’s probably worthwhile not to worry too much about it, knowing u can get a replacement if needed. However, I do think it is important to be aware of the issues so you can properly inspect the device when you get it new so you have an opportunity to get it replaced with a new one vs getting stuck with a refurb further down the line. It’s unfortunate we have to deal with this kind of thing as consumers but enthusiasts are definitely a minority when considering their total business. I would say the majority are just people who hired some company to come setup a media room in their homes and are probably rarely going to use it as a novelty/movie night with the family.


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I don't disagree that there is a possibility some people have minor issues that aren't being noticed, but at the same time that assumption cannot be used to make a determination on the reliability of the product. I also don't think that Epson resolving the issues in a proper manner (via good customer service) is in any way an admission of some sort of widespread issue that they are aware of, but that is just my opinion. There will always be a small number of defective products, and if it's batch-related, it's possible for an individual or small group of people to get multiple defective units, giving the impression of a larger problem when in fact it is isolated. I guess all I am saying is we would need way more information than we have to come to any sort of conclusion beyond pure speculation I'm hoping to have my 5050 in the next 2-3 months and I have no worries at all about buying one. I am so picky that if it has any issues I'll notice it within the first day lol. Anecdotally, my 6500UB is now 10 years old as well and has no issues. As you mentioned, with Epson willing to simply replace the units, it doesn't seem like a big deal either way outside some minor hassle should an issue arise.
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The Epson 5050 is presently being discounted everywhere it seems. However, most online sources still list the 6050 at $3999. Would like to purchase the 6050, for example, from our local Best Buy Magnolia. Does anyone know if they are offering discounts below the stated online pricing. Thanks for any information.
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The Epson 5050 is presently being discounted everywhere it seems. However, most online sources still list the 6050 at $3999. Would like to purchase the 6050, for example, from our local Best Buy Magnolia. Does anyone know if they are offering discounts below the stated online pricing. Thanks for any information.
Best Buy only price matches other major competitors they do not do any type of price negotiation so you might be better off at a dealer
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Best Buy only price matches other major competitors they do not do any type of price negotiation so you might be better off at a dealer
I've been away from home for a while, but have recently returned to watch a few shows on my 6050 (Series of unfortunate events & Kimmy Schmit). Recently came across this video
which I find asks some great questions about what truly makes a good picture!

My full review of the 6050 is coming hopefully next week (don't even have the couch yet to watch it on lol)

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