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So to mount the 5050 higher up, say around 7+ feet high, the only way to do this is with vertical lens shift? Doesn't that compromise the image?
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I have triple black velvet on the acoustic ceiling tiles all the way back to the bulkhead. The grid itself is also covered in black flocking self-adhering tape. Sides walls are also triple black velvet back to the main listening position. The rest of the room is covered in dark blue matte paint. The white bulkhead does not reflect back onto the screen as it is starts at 11 ft back from the screen. I actually feel it provides almost like a low level back lighting effect and increases perceived contrast. HVAC is noticeable only during really quiet scenes.

Thanks. Not to go too far off topic, but how did you attach the velvet to the drywall sidewalls?
Not sure I understand how the white bulkhead acts as a backlight if it's nowhere near the screen....
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So to mount the 5050 higher up, say around 7+ feet high, the only way to do this is with vertical lens shift? Doesn't that compromise the image?
Yes you would need to use vertical lens shift. I do not perceive any change in image quality. Since you will be hanging the projector upside down I originally set the projector at the same distance from the screen on a table. That allows you to dial in the zoom and focus so you can clearly read the menu right side up at first and then I switch the setting in the projector to ceiling mount. That flips the screen and then I mount it on the ceiling. If you don't take this step it can be difficult to read the menu once you have mounted the projector on the ceiling for two reasons, menu is upside down and it is completely out of focus and therefore unreadable .
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I have triple black velvet on the acoustic ceiling tiles all the way back to the bulkhead. The grid itself is also covered in black flocking self-adhering tape. Sides walls are also triple black velvet back to the main listening position. The rest of the room is covered in dark blue matte paint. The white bulkhead does not reflect back onto the screen as it is starts at 11 ft back from the screen. I actually feel it provides almost like a low level back lighting effect and increases perceived contrast. HVAC is noticeable only during really quiet scenes.

Thanks. Not to go too far off topic, but how did you attach the velvet to the drywall sidewalls?
Not sure I understand how the white bulkhead acts as a backlight if it's nowhere near the screen....
The Velvet on the side walls is on curtains. The bulkhead it's just a small glimmer of white and if vast sea of of absolute black so it tricks your eyes into thinking the objects away from the glimmer of white are darker than they actually are it is the same concept behind a backlight at least that's what some television and projector calibrators have explained to me but who knows maybe we're all just crazy LOL

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I am thinking of’ getting a 5050. It seems vertical placement is an issue. According to the calculator on projector central it looks like it needs to align to the middle of the screen vertically. Is this true? Seems like it would be in the way and just sitting in a seat would present issues where you might block the image. How high are people mounting this? Was thinking of putting on shelf in back of room.
I'm too lazy and time restricted to look, but there were lots of posts about mounting, mounts, and alignment several pages back which should be useful. Screen/PJ alignment is always advised as it can eliminate and surely minimize adjustments that compromise picture quality (perception is relative, adjustments =compromise) My PJ hangs on center approximately 6-7 inches below a 10'8" ceiling , fully adjustable Chief mount, 14' 8" screen to lens. Screen height is also factor, but get it right and you can quite often avoid lens adjustments other than focus.

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Thanks for the details. Based on the throw distance calculator it is going to be very tight setup. Any image compromise if we use full wide angle zoom?

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If you are viewing along the long distance then should be OK for 100". The calculator says the lens needs to be 10' back, which leaves 2' for the projector body.

Here is the link the Projector Central calculator in case you want to learn how to fish.

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Maybe I am missing something. DOes using vertical lens shift create a keystone effect or no? If not then I guess its not a big deal.
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Maybe I am missing something. DOes using vertical lens shift create a keystone effect or no? If not then I guess its not a big deal.
No...two functionally different adjustments.

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Thanks for the details. Based on the throw distance calculator it is going to be very tight setup. Any image compromise if we use full wide angle zoom?
No image compromise. In fact by using the widest zoom you will maximize the light output of the projector.
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No image compromise. In fact by using the widest zoom you will maximize the light output of the projector.
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It’s strange because I still can’t do frame interpolation and e-shift simultaneously...
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I take it your projectors came with this software already installed, if so maybe it’s worthwhile downloading the 1.01 software on to a USB and try to install it yourself.

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Chad B is currently calibrating my Epson

3100:1 contrast is my result, my unit is under performing and Chad says all the 5040’s he has done were around 6 to 8,000 to 1

I noticed when this unit came in initially that the blacks were not as deep. This confirms that suspicion and puts me in DLP contrast territory. I’m pretty unhappy with this.




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Chad B is currently calibrating my Epson

3100:1 contrast is my result, my unit is under performing and Chad says all the 5040’s he has done were around 6 to 8,000 to 1

I noticed when this unit came in initially that the blacks were not as deep. This confirms that suspicion and puts me in DLP contrast territory. I’m pretty unhappy with this.




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I would assume you will be returning it, correct?
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I would assume you will be returning it, correct?


I will try. I have had the unit for a while I don’t know Best Buy’s policy for returns. If I do return it I will not get another Epson. The deals on an NX-5 are too good to get another Epson.


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Chad B is currently calibrating my Epson

3100:1 contrast is my result, my unit is under performing and Chad says all the 5040’s he has done were around 6 to 8,000 to 1

I noticed when this unit came in initially that the blacks were not as deep. This confirms that suspicion and puts me in DLP contrast territory. I’m pretty unhappy with this.

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Do you think its an issue with the unit specifically or all of the 5050s? We haven't seen many complaints about contrast.

I have Chat B coming next month.
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Unit specifically. My first unit had deeper blacks.

What he has been able to do so far in every area is amazing and he is well worth the price of admission. If I do return the unit and get another I will pay him to come back out.

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Do most people use the Reviews Calibration for their 5040? I am almost always a huge easy to please fan of things as they are (out of the box) but in all reality, I am not 100% impressed thus far with the 5040 for 4K content. I'm sure this is just settings as I am under 4 hours total time with it so far. I keep comparing it to my Samsung OLED 4K and honestly I shouldn't.



Anyways I am looking for how exactly I should calibrate it, Also what is the normal case for 1080P Blu Rays, TV and then 4K? Do people typically use Memory lens and just swap back and forth? Thanks all


And this is my screen that I was using for my 1080P Projector and have not replaced and probably will not unless others say I must to see a much clearer image.


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I take it your projectors came with this software already installed, if so maybe it’s worthwhile downloading the 1.01 software on to a USB and try to install it yourself.


I have tried but I believe the website only has the original file...
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Unit specifically. My first unit had deeper blacks.

What he has been able to do so far in every area is amazing and he is well worth the price of admission. If I do return the unit and get another I will pay him to come back out.

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If you are getting a new unit I would fight to have Epson pay for the calibration since it was not in any way your fault that your current unit is defective. People say their customer service is fantastic so I would push hard for them to cover Chad B coming back and calibrating.
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If you are getting a new unit I would fight to have Epson pay for the calibration since it was not in any way your fault that your current unit is defective. People say their customer service is fantastic so I would push hard for them to cover Chad B coming back and calibrating.
Yep, my argument would be that you spent additional money trying to get satisfactory performance only to find out that the PJ was not performing near Epson's advertised spec's. I'd ask them to consider reimbursement OR a PJ upgrade. Good luck.
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I would assume you will be returning it, correct?


I will try. I have had the unit for a while I don’t know Best Buy’s policy for returns. If I do return it I will not get another Epson. The deals on an NX-5 are too good to get another Epson.


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If you are an Elite member you get 45 days but they do have a serious restocking fee on projectors although I would argue that this is defective and therefore you should not be charged a restocking fee but I don't know how successful you were going to be. This is your second 5050 correct?
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THE Epson 5050UB/6050UB Thread

Thank you guys I will let you know what happens. Yes this is my second unit.

Contrast aside he did say the 5050UB calibrates much better than the 5040 especially for HDR.


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Unit specifically. My first unit had deeper blacks.

What he has been able to do so far in every area is amazing and he is well worth the price of admission. If I do return the unit and get another I will pay him to come back out.

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I would contact Epson and explain the situation and the expense of calibration only to find the unit defective. I would request (demand) a 6050 replacement. The upgrade would be to compensate you for the defective unit and the cost of wasted calibration. The 6050 should be better than a "good" 5050. I think you'd be very happy with that.
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Chad B is currently calibrating my Epson

3100:1 contrast is my result, my unit is under performing and Chad says all the 5040’s he has done were around 6 to 8,000 to 1

I noticed when this unit came in initially that the blacks were not as deep. This confirms that suspicion and puts me in DLP contrast territory. I’m pretty unhappy with this.




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I had this happen too. My first unit (new from Best Buy) had really mediocre picture quality and contrast, but I warrantied it with Epson especially because of a green blob. My new unit looks amazing right out of the box with way better blacks and contrast.
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I had this happen too. My first unit (new from Best Buy) had really mediocre picture quality and contrast, but I warrantied it with Epson especially because of a green blob. My new unit looks amazing right out of the box with way better blacks and contrast.


So they want to send me another 5050UB and of course they will not reimburse me for the calibration. I not going to yell and scream or do any of that crap but would like the piece of mind knowing they would either QC the unit or send a 6050 so I know the chip is solid.


Get this. They want to send me a refurbished unit because my original purchase date was 4/13

2 units in two months and now my 3rd won’t be new. Not so sure about the excellent service. I can appreciate not waiting on hold a long time to speak to somebody but that’s crap.

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Chad B is currently calibrating my Epson

3100:1 contrast is my result, my unit is under performing and Chad says all the 5040’s he has done were around 6 to 8,000 to 1

I noticed when this unit came in initially that the blacks were not as deep. This confirms that suspicion and puts me in DLP contrast territory. I’m pretty unhappy with this.




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That’s shocking, I can’t recall exactly what mine was measuring but it was in the 8k mark.

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That’s shocking, I can’t recall exactly what mine was measuring but it was in the 8k mark.


You should have seen Chads reaction. He was like “oh boy” After he talked about what I should be getting he mentioned what JVC’s get and my jaw hit the floor.

So I bought an Epson and got a BenQ without the sharpness and extra pixels




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That’s shocking, I can’t recall exactly what mine was measuring but it was in the 8k mark.


You should have seen Chads reaction. He was like “oh boy” After he talked about what I should be getting he mentioned what JVC’s get and my jaw hit the floor.

So I bought an Epson and got a BenQ without the sharpness and extra pixels




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Did you mention you were a member of AVS forum and a loyal Epson customer I believe you said you previously owned the 5040
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6050UB or NX5

I came in way under budget on my speakers for my HT build currently underway. I was set on getting the 6050UB until now.

So with the freed up cash I can afford the NX5 if I want so I am asking all of you, if you had the choice would you go NX5 ?

If it helps my room is 13x22x8 completely light controlled and I am looking to use a 16x9 135" screen.

I am asking this in the 6050UB thread because to ask in the JVC thread which can be slightly "fanatical" I know what they would say. I figured I would get a much more honest response here.

So if any of you have seen both these projectors in action and could weigh in it would be appreciated.
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