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any idea when will the projector drop to 2699 again?
Not that low but check out Best Buy today. 24 month free financing as well.

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I didnt do the financing part but I did buy it. Lol one of my local (20miles away) had it. Just left the store with it. I really hope its better than mine ht3550 lol I will be comparing them tonight. Any suggestion on ceiling mount??
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I didnt do the financing part but I did buy it. Lol one of my local (20miles away) had it. Just left the store with it. I really hope its better than mine ht3550 lol I will be comparing them tonight. Any suggestion on ceiling mount??
Lengthy discussion on mounts several pages back.
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I currently have the 5020UB with a run of 25' to my AV closet so I use the monoprice redmere cable detailed below. If I upgrade to the 5050UB to watch 4K movies, will this cable be good enough or would it need replacing? Confused with the speed ratings and what is needed to watch 4k HDR movies from my Pano 820...The spec on the cable below says 10.2Gbps but I saw something about this new projector supports 18Gbps which sounds like my current 25' redmere would have to be replaced? :-(

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Reliably connect your home theater equipment to greater distances than with passive cables using this Select Active Series High Speed HDMI® Cable with RedMere® Technology from Monoprice!

This High Speed HDMI Cable supports the following general features:

Active signal regeneration to ensure accurate reproduction over longer distances
10.2Gbps data throughput
VW-1 in-wall fire safety rating
28AWG copper conductors
Gold plated connectors

It supports the following HDMI features:

1080p resolution at 60Hz
4K resolution at 24Hz
3D video
Audio Return Channel
Deep Color up to 16-bits per channel
x.v.Color™
High Definition Audio, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, and Dolby TrueHD™

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I currently have the 5020UB with a run of 25' to my AV closet so I use the monoprice redmere cable detailed below. If I upgrade to the 5050UB to watch 4K movies, will this cable be good enough or would it need replacing? Confused with the speed ratings and what is needed to watch 4k HDR movies from my Pano 820...The spec on the cable below says 10.2Gbps but I saw something about this new projector supports 18Gbps which sounds like my current 25' redmere would have to be replaced? :-(



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Reliably connect your home theater equipment to greater distances than with passive cables using this Select Active Series High Speed HDMI Cable with RedMere Technology from Monoprice!



This High Speed HDMI Cable supports the following general features:



Active signal regeneration to ensure accurate reproduction over longer distances

10.2Gbps data throughput

VW-1 in-wall fire safety rating

28AWG copper conductors

Gold plated connectors



It supports the following HDMI features:



1080p resolution at 60Hz

4K resolution at 24Hz

3D video

Audio Return Channel

Deep Color up to 16-bits per channel

x.v.Color

High Definition Audio, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio, and Dolby TrueHD
Really depends on your media player and the source. Your current cable supports 4K at 24hz which is the streaming rate for many apps that support 4k and HDR. Depending upon your media player some apps may send 4K/60FPS which the 5050 will receive but your cable will not support that signal many times also referred to as being 18GBPS compatible. So you probably want a new cable. You can certainly try the 5050 with all your current setup and see how it works.

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I didnt do the financing part but I did buy it. Lol one of my local (20miles away) had it. Just left the store with it. I really hope its better than mine ht3550 lol I will be comparing them tonight. Any suggestion on ceiling mount??
Lengthy discussion on mounts several pages back.
Looked few pages back and didnt see it. I looking for a single beam one. I just have one bean not sure why all these mounts have 4 holes.
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Looked few pages back and didnt see it. I looking for a single beam one. I just have one bean not sure why all these mounts have 4 holes.
Starts at post #1467 . Discussion is about mounts and alignment but you should find all you need on mounts there. Good luck
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I currently have the 5020UB with a run of 25' to my AV closet so I use the monoprice redmere cable detailed below. If I upgrade to the 5050UB to watch 4K movies, will this cable be good enough or would it need replacing? Confused with the speed ratings and what is needed to watch 4k HDR movies from my Pano 820...The spec on the cable below says 10.2Gbps but I saw something about this new projector supports 18Gbps which sounds like my current 25' redmere would have to be replaced? :-(

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Reliably connect your home theater equipment to greater distances than with passive cables using this Select Active Series High Speed HDMI® Cable with RedMere® Technology from Monoprice!

This High Speed HDMI Cable supports the following general features:

Active signal regeneration to ensure accurate reproduction over longer distances
10.2Gbps data throughput
VW-1 in-wall fire safety rating
28AWG copper conductors
Gold plated connectors

It supports the following HDMI features:

1080p resolution at 60Hz
4K resolution at 24Hz
3D video
Audio Return Channel
Deep Color up to 16-bits per channel
x.v.Color™
High Definition Audio, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio™, and Dolby TrueHD™

Barrettmr, The active cables with "redmere" chips won't support speeds above 10.2 Gbs or 60hz. They have been replaced by the new "spectra" chips. Long story made short, if you want to play all the latest and greatest sources with your PJ you will need to upgrade. There are discussions of HDMI specs at and around post #451 and #1459 in this thread.

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The Delong cable works!!!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Story: I saw that all three cables were sitting at the local Post Office, waiting to go onto the truck for delivery. Being the insane person I am, I went over there to intercept the cables, so as not to wait a few hours to get them delivered. Only the Delong was easily locatable, so I took that one home and tried it out. And it friggin' works! No handshake issues.

I believe this was the cheapest of the three, so the other two are going back.

Now I get to see 4K blu-ray and streaming in all their glory. Holy cow - I am sooo impressed by this projector.

Now, if I can only get the wife to admit that she sees a difference compared to the old Sony. "Looks like a regular VCR tape to me..."

what kind of issues were you having with your old cable? when you say handshake? what do you mean by that
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I currently have the 5020UB with a run of 25' to my AV closet so I use the monoprice redmere cable detailed below. If I upgrade to the 5050UB to watch 4K movies, will this cable be good enough or would it need replacing? Confused with the speed ratings and what is needed to watch 4k HDR movies from my Pano 820...The spec on the cable below says 10.2Gbps but I saw something about this new projector supports 18Gbps which sounds like my current 25' redmere would have to be replaced? :-(



Thanks!!

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Reliably connect your home theater equipment to greater distances than with passive cables using this Select Active Series High Speed HDMI Cable with RedMere Technology from Monoprice!



This High Speed HDMI Cable supports the following general features:



Active signal regeneration to ensure accurate reproduction over longer distances

10.2Gbps data throughput

VW-1 in-wall fire safety rating

28AWG copper conductors

Gold plated connectors



It supports the following HDMI features:



1080p resolution at 60Hz

4K resolution at 24Hz

3D video

Audio Return Channel

Deep Color up to 16-bits per channel

x.v.Color

High Definition Audio, including SA-CD, DVD-Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio, and Dolby TrueHD


I believe this is one of the best cables when the application calls for a distance of more than 20 feet. It has worked flawlessly for me so far:

Fiber HDMI Cable RUIPRO 4K60HZ 33 feet Light Speed HDMI2.0b Cable, Supports 18.2 Gbps, ARC, HDR10, Dolby Vision, HDCP2.2, 4:4:4, Ultra Slim and Flexible HDMI Optic Cable with Optic Technology 10m https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XGDFCSC..._iIseDbBE9CPDX

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Can someone please confirm to use Xbox One X as my Movie BluRay player, and get full 4K HDR I would need to purchase an "HD Fury Linker"??



If an example problem helps: everything plays great on my xbox *youtube, dashboard, games are in 4k and life is good* now I throw in a movie lets say "Warcraft 4K HDR" and it reverts to 1080P SDR.. No idea why.



If I replace the Xbox as my movie player with a Ps4 Pro does this problem go away? Or a dedicated 4K player? Or suck it up and buy the HD Fury for approx $250.?



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As far as mounts go whats the difference between the CHF2500 and the CHF4500???
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As far as mounts go whats the difference between the CHF2500 and the CHF4500???
As far as I know the 2500 is just the older model from 2015 and the 4500 is the 2019 model. Both black and both can be used for many models of the Epson Home and Pro Cinema line including the 5050 and 6050.

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Can someone please confirm to use Xbox One X as my Movie BluRay player, and get full 4K HDR I would need to purchase an "HD Fury Linker"??



If an example problem helps: everything plays great on my xbox *youtube, dashboard, games are in 4k and life is good* now I throw in a movie lets say "Warcraft 4K HDR" and it reverts to 1080P SDR.. No idea why.



If I replace the Xbox as my movie player with a Ps4 Pro does this problem go away? Or a dedicated 4K player? Or suck it up and buy the HD Fury for approx $250.?



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I don't know why your XBOX One X would not be able to pass the 4K signal through to the 5050. Adding another component into the chain, even something as helpful as the HD FURY LINK, might not resolve your issue because I haven't seen you articulate the root cause of your issue. Can you elaborate please the cause as you believe it to be rather than the result.

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what kind of issues were you having with your old cable? when you say handshake? what do you mean by that
https://support.channelmaster.com/hc...-intermittent-


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Ya i basically have a 30ft HDMI cable (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and while im not having as many issues as you guys i think im going to change the cable for a fiber one ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1) just to be safe
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As far as I know the 2500 is just the older model from 2015 and the 4500 is the 2019 model. Both black and both can be used for many models of the Epson Home and Pro Cinema line including the 5050 and 6050.

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I cant seem to find a 4500 no where for reasonable price. So think ill just pick this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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I cant seem to find a 4500 no where for reasonable price. So think ill just pick this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It looks sturdy and it looks adjustable in 3 dimensions but also looks like it takes two people to align the holes and bolts during projector installation and removal. That's where the Chief design has a huge advantage over most others. One person can slide a PJ in place or remove it for a bulb change or PJ swap. From my experience, that convenience is a big plus for the Chief.
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It looks sturdy and it looks adjustable in 3 dimensions but also looks like it takes two people to align the holes and bolts during projector installation and removal. That's where the Chief design has a huge advantage over most others. One person can slide a PJ in place or remove it for a bulb change or PJ swap. From my experience, that convenience is a big plus for the Chief.
The price for a chief Mount seems ridiculous at first glance until you own one and then you will beat yourself up over being so cheap all these years. I had four different mounts before I got my chief and I would never go back. When you buy a chief mount you won't have to buy a brand new mount every time you get a new projector in the future since the actual mount is universal. You would just need to buy the mounting plate that matches your projector.

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It looks sturdy and it looks adjustable in 3 dimensions but also looks like it takes two people to align the holes and bolts during projector installation and removal. That's where the Chief design has a huge advantage over most others. One person can slide a PJ in place or remove it for a bulb change or PJ swap. From my experience, that convenience is a big plus for the Chief.
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The price for a chief Mount seems ridiculous at first glance until you own one and then you will beat yourself up over being so cheap all these years. I had four different mounts before I got my chief and I would never go back. When you buy a chief mount you won't have to buy a brand new mount every time you get a new projector in the future since the actual mount is universal. You would just need to buy the mounting plate that matches your projector.

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Ok Ok ill listen went ahead and ordered the Chief RPA 357 and Peerless ACC570 Plate. About $170 both from PP
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Can someone please confirm to use Xbox One X as my Movie BluRay player, and get full 4K HDR I would need to purchase an "HD Fury Linker"??



If an example problem helps: everything plays great on my xbox *youtube, dashboard, games are in 4k and life is good* now I throw in a movie lets say "Warcraft 4K HDR" and it reverts to 1080P SDR.. No idea why.



If I replace the Xbox as my movie player with a Ps4 Pro does this problem go away? Or a dedicated 4K player? Or suck it up and buy the HD Fury for approx $250.?



Thank you!
That sounds very strange and i would guess is some form of setting in the Xbox.

UHD is 4k 24p which is less bandwidth than Xbox 4k is using so really should not be an issue.
Certainly no need for a linker, that's typically used to fudge 4k gaming, not uhd disc films!

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Thank you, I have removed the X1X from the equation and if I use my Roku 4K to stream a Netflix 4K HDR, It will display in 4K, however signal status always shows SDR, and BT.7 not BT 2 etc?



I am thinking it could be my receiver although it says 4K 2.2.. I am going to try to bypass it tonight to see if it shows 4K HDR .
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Can someone please confirm to use Xbox One X as my Movie BluRay player, and get full 4K HDR I would need to purchase an "HD Fury Linker"??



If an example problem helps: everything plays great on my xbox *youtube, dashboard, games
are in 4k and life is good* now I throw in a movie
lets say "Warcraft 4K HDR" and it reverts to
1080P SDR.. No idea why.




If I replace the Xbox as my movie player with a Ps4 Pro does this problem go away? Or a dedicated 4K player? Or suck it up and buy the HD Fury for approx $250.?



Thank you!
I don't know why your XBOX One X would not be able to pass the 4K signal through to the 5050. Adding another component into the chain, even something as helpful as the HD FURY LINK, might not resolve your issue because I haven't seen you articulate the root cause of your issue. Can you elaborate please the cause as you believe it to be rather than the result.

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I used my xboxX as my player and had no issues getting 4k. I had just received my projector and was just testing it out so i was hooked directly into my xbox at the time and not going through my receiver or anything yet though. I didnt have to change any settings on my xbox from when i had it hooked up through my denon going to my samsung js8500 either.
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I believe this is one of the best cables when the application calls for a distance of more than 20 feet. It has worked flawlessly for me so far:

Fiber HDMI Cable RUIPRO 4K60HZ 33 feet Light Speed HDMI2.0b Cable, Supports 18.2 Gbps, ARC, HDR10, Dolby Vision, HDCP2.2, 4:4:4, Ultra Slim and Flexible HDMI Optic Cable with Optic Technology 10m https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XGDFCSC..._iIseDbBE9CPDX
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Barrettmr, The active cables with "redmere" chips won't support speeds above 10.2 Gbs or 60hz. They have been replaced by the new "spectra" chips. Long story made short, if you want to play all the latest and greatest sources with your PJ you will need to upgrade. There are discussions of HDMI specs at and around post #451 and #1459 in this thread.
Thank you for the advice - I found they now have this version that must have that newer Spectra chip so I'll upgrade...

Monoprice Cabernet Ultra Series Active High Speed HDMI Cable - [email protected] HDR 18Gbps 28AWG YUV 4:4:4 CL2
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The dynamic range of the 5050 does change automatically. What setting are you referring to that doesn't change?
Can you explain the difference in these settings. Mine is also set to Auto but it shows SDR currently as I'm watching news on DirecTV.

When I go to Signal, I have several other settings that pop up compared to your picture. Curious why yours doesn't show all these or are you in a different setting.

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HEAT

Can anyone speak to their own 5050 projector how hot the top left and left side of the projector gets when you've had it on for an hour or two?

Mine is set up in a cut out shelf that was professionally done inside a soffit next to the ceiling. There is only 1-2 inches on each side and at the top but a couple feet behind. Since the fans are in the front I was told it shouldn't be an issue but I was curious about how hot the side and top of the projector was when I felt it for the first time because it shut off automatically.

My standby mode was on but I also checked on a heat warning and they said if it had overheated there would be a red blinking button which there is not.
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When you go to Menu - Info what does your Source say. I'm still concerned w/ my installation. I'm not sure when watching TV why it's saying HDMI2. There was some debate on whether to have my 4k HDMI cables go straight from my Xbox 1/BlueRay and Apple4k into HDMI 1 and HDMI2 instead of having them to my Marantz then to HDMI 1 so it doesn't look like they did that.

Also - why doesn't EPSON have an official in here answering questions. Their customer service is OK but they are basically reading from their manual. Would be nice to have an expert Epson support person be able to respond unless that's not allowed on AVS.
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Also - why doesn't EPSON have an official in here answering questions. Their customer service is OK but they are basically reading from their manual. Would be nice to have an expert Epson support person be able to respond unless that's not allowed on AVS.

Why do you think skylarlove1999 is here?
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I don't know why your XBOX One X would not be able to pass the 4K signal through to the 5050. Adding another component into the chain, even something as helpful as the HD FURY LINK, might not resolve your issue because I haven't seen you articulate the root cause of your issue. Can you elaborate please the cause as you believe it to be rather than the result.

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After removing the Yamaha Receiver from the equation the Projector and X1X work as should and display automatically a 4K HDR image! The Receiver is 4K 2.0 not 2.2 and therefore the issue.. Time to swap it out. Thanks everyone

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After removing the Yamaha Receiver from the equation the Projector and X1X work as should and display automatically a 4K HDR image! The projector is 4K 2.0 not 2.2 and therfore the issue.. Time to swap it out. Thanks everyone
Are you saying the new Epson 5050 doesn't support 2.2? Cause here are the specs.

Terminal Inputs:
2x HDMI (HDCP 2.2)
1x USB Type A (for optical HDMI cable 300 mA max. power supply only)
1x USB (for wireless and firmware)
1x Mini USB (service only)
1x LAN (RJ45)
1x Computer/D-sub 15 pin
1x RS-232c
Trigger out 12 V DC, 200 mA maximum

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