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I watched the NX5, NX7 and 6050 at my dealers on the same screen. I felt the picture difference between the NX5 and 6050 was not worth the price difference, in my case, and was very subtle. I was offered 25% off the 6050 and 30% off NX5 and choose the 6050 when figuring in the discounts the NX5 was still substantially more.. Now with the NX7 I saw a much more pronounced difference compared to both the NX5 and 6050 and if that was in my budget I would have chosen it. Just my 2 cents.

Side note all 3 were on a 110" screen and were being fed by a Panasonic 820 the viewing environment was probably 95% light controlled but not pitch black.
Can't go wrong evaluating all 3 yourself and going from there. YOU are the one spending the money and enjoying the product.
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I just bought this projector and set it up with a new Sony UBP-X700 UHD Disk player with a new 4k capable active HDMI (properly aligned). So far I've just played the first 10 minutes of Justice League (a 4k disk) and the results were better than regular BD, but a little underwhelming. I'm not sure if I am actually seeing HDR on the content that I'm playing, is there a display mode to let me know if I am?

I left most of the projector/player settings on "Auto" until I get enough hours on the projector to really calibrate and tinker. I do have Dolby Vision turned on in the disk player, is this even necessary since I believe this projector doesn't have Dolby Vision? Will it just auto switch it over to HDR10? Do I really need to crank up the HDR setting on the projector or am I missing something?

Sorry this is a lot of disjointed questions but it has been a while since I've upgraded my equipment so my learning curve is a bit steep when it comes to HDR!
Don't have the HC5050 but I do have an X700. AIUI, the X700 should have DV off and HDR on when outputting to an non-DV HDR device. Having DV on can result in an incorrect (mainly darker) display.
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The 5050 only has more P3 coverage if you engage the filter, which I believe drops the lumens to around 1000. So with larger screens it would be fairly dim. The NX5 calibrates to ~1600 lumens with 90+% P3 coverage.

The Epson can get brighter overall, but medium bulb calibrated is about the same as the NX5 in high bulb. Noise wise the NX isn't bad in high bulb. Still for very large screens the Epson does have more oomph.

The NX would have noticeably better contrast, native 4K, better lens (capable of resolving 4K) and automatic tone mapping. In your case the seating distance to your screen probably would not show much resolution difference, but others certainly may sit close enough to notice.

Whether that makes it a better buy is up to the consumer. As has been pointed out before not everyone is going to see something here to get them to choose the more expensive option. But depending on your needs and room, it may be more than a side grade. And there being less than a $1000 difference in price certainly makes it more of an option.
I am familiar with a couple of the guys on the UK forum who witnessed the NX5 vs the 9400 and said the Epson was as good if not better so I’m not entirely convinced the basic 4K JVC is any real improvement apart from a sharper image, definitely not worth the additional expense this side of the pond.

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Can't go wrong evaluating all 3 yourself and going from there. YOU are the one spending the money and enjoying the product.
Agreed, everyone if possible needs to see and evaluate for themselves. I know unfortunately in many parts of the country that is impossible so that's why I posted my observations. I think without seeing any of the 3 side by side nobody would be disappointed in any of them. They all 3 throw a great picture.
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Need help with brightness for 5050 and 5040.
I have a 150 inch screen in a basement. The walls are not black velvet but I am
In the process of making the first 6-8 feet from the screen black by way of curtains and other things. I have a 5050 and just now ordered a refurbished 5040. The price difference is almost 2000$.
My question is even though when 5050 isn’t rated at 2600 and 5040 at 2500, when I plug-in my numbers into projector central calculator for both with the zoom at widest. And projector as close as possible to screen, I get a rating of 40 for 5040 and 32 for 5050. So is the 5040 more bright in calibrated mode than the 5050?? One of the issues I have with 5050 that I use now is some times I feel it’s not bright. Of course this I compare with a top of the line QLED and OLED so I know it not fair but me and probably everyone prefer a brighter picture for a similar color accuracy. Even though there is lot of HDR content that’s not main stream yet. So 90% of what I watch is HD and UHD.
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Don't have the HC5050 but I do have an X700. AIUI, the X700 should have DV off and HDR on when outputting to an non-DV HDR device. Having DV on can result in an incorrect (mainly darker) display.
Thank you for the tip! I tried that setting and still didn't see a huge improvement, so I checked the signal info and saw it was still putting out SDR even when I was playing a 4k disk. That's when I realized I overlooked a very basic thing: my receiver doesn't pass through a 4k HDR signal!

So when I bypassed the receiver (at least for the video signal, the audio I can still run through it because the X700 has a supplemental audio-only HDMI out) finally I got to see a true 4k HDR picture, now that's the dramatic improvement I was looking for!

Now I'm wondering if I should bother getting a new receiver...bypassing it seems to work just fine.

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At this Point i am not sure if i should just wait for the next version. (5060?) with hopefully an 4K FI and maybe higher resolution. Im confident that they will announce something at IFA in September.
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At this Point i am not sure if i should just wait for the next version. (5060?) with hopefully an 4K FI and maybe higher resolution. Im confident that they will announce something at IFA in September.
If 4K native be also ready for a significant price hike because this doesn't come cheap.

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Anyone in here jump to the 5050 from the 5040? Thinking about making the move but not sure if it's worth it.
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Anyone in here jump to the 5050 from the 5040? Thinking about making the move but not sure if it's worth it.
Those are US models, over here it's 9300 and 9400. Not sure what model the 9300 equivalent so in the US but I do know that the 9400 appears to be the 6050 based on the spec of both machine so it's slightly above the 5050.

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I am familiar with a couple of the guys on the UK forum who witnessed the NX5 vs the 9400 and said the Epson was as good if not better so I’m not entirely convinced the basic 4K JVC is any real improvement apart from a sharper image, definitely not worth the additional expense this side of the pond.
Well over 3 times the native contrast is going to be visible. Whether it's enough along with the other pluses to sway a purchase or not is up to the potential buyer. A fair number of professional calibrators and reviewers (who make no money on what is sold) have weighed in on this and seem to favor the NX5.

Again I'm not following the thread to try to sway anyone to return their 5050 or take the wind out of it sails. I'm here to follow the product as it's more than likely the projector I will recommend to people who ask because of the price point it hits (and the performance it offers at this level). Granted the NX5 B-stock is certainly something I would tell them to consider if they can stretch their budget a bit. But B-stock has it's own potential issues and isn't always available, so the Epson remains a clear choice against the current competition at this level.

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Has anyone tinkered with the Alaric settings using a medium/eco power mode? That high power mode is just too loud for me. I have a completely dark room so I don't need all that much brightness.

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Well over 3 times the native contrast is going to be visible. Whether it's enough along with the other pluses to sway a purchase or not is up to the potential buyer. A fair number of professional calibrators and reviewers (who make no money on what is sold) have weighed in on this and seem to favor the NX5.
Both machines were calibrated in the exact same room (controlled light) and they were all surprised not to see a huge difference in the contrast and one of those guys is a JVC owner so you tell me?

You also need to remember that in the UK the JVC is more than double the price of the Epson. In fact one of the guys who had a NX5 on order actually cancelled his order and bought a LS10500 instead.

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Again I'm not following the thread to try to sway anyone to return their 5050 or take the wind out of it sails. I'm here to follow the product as it's more than likely the projector I will recommend to people who ask because of the price point it hits (and the performance it offers at this level). Granted the NX5 B-stock is certainly something I would tell them to consider if they can stretch their budget a bit. But B-stock has it's own potential issues and isn't always available, so the Epson remains a clear choice against the current competition at this level.
Obviously price points of these two brands are vastly different in the US compared to the UK. The guy that calibrated mine didn’t feel the NX5 justified its price here.

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Has anyone tinkered with the Alaric settings using a medium/eco power mode? That high power mode is just too loud for me. I have a completely dark room so I don't need all that much brightness.
What’s your screen size and how far away is the projector from the screen. Mine isn’t out of ECO mode and in SDR Natural setting the Iris is closed down to -16.
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Has anyone tinkered with the Alaric settings using a medium/eco power mode? That high power mode is just too loud for me. I have a completely dark room so I don't need all that much brightness.
I agree 100%, I use medium lamp and bump up the HDR slider to 2 or 1 when I watch HDR and gives me a pretty good picture. High power mode on this thing sounds like a dust buster to me during quiet scenes. I have mine mounted about 4 feet behind first row seats.
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Both machines were calibrated in the exact same room (controlled light) and they were all surprised not to see a huge difference in the contrast and one of those guys is a JVC owner so you tell me?

You also need to remember that in the UK the JVC is more than double the price of the Epson. In fact one of the guys who had a NX5 on order actually cancelled his order and bought a LS10500 instead.
I wasn't there so I can't tell you why that comparison concluded what it did. All I can tell you is that the measured contrast is around 3 times higher on the NX5 and that is certainly visible to the eye. Whether moving from 7-8,000:1 to 25,000:1 is considered "huge" probably depends on the individual. And the question of if that difference is enough to justify buying one unit over another is also up to the individual.

Obviously the higher the difference in price is, the more attractive the less expensive option is going to be.

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I wasn't there so I can't tell you why that comparison concluded what it did. All I can tell you is that the measured contrast is around 3 times higher on the NX5 and that is certainly visible to the eye. Whether moving from 7-8,000:1 to 25,000:1 is considered "huge" probably depends on the individual. And the question of if that difference is enough to justify buying one unit over another is also up to the individual.

Obviously the higher the difference in price is, the more attractive the less expensive option is going to be.
Fun enough none of the people who seen the side by side comparison felt the NX5 hadn’t noticeably better contrast which is odd considering what has been measured, clearly something is afoot but this wasn’t just one compare in one store this was in others with the same outcome.

Well I would agree with that last statement and yet the guy who has the NX5 on order bought the LS10500 which is roughly the same price, clearly price wasn’t the issue so it must have been the overall picture that didn’t impress?

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If 4K native be also ready for a significant price hike because this doesn't come cheap.
I chatted with oz rep here yesterday. They're NOT doing a native 4k machine any time soon, ie the next 5 years. They make machines that can make them money and the LS10500 has sold poorly worldwide so it's not being replaced. It doesn't need to be replaced. The 6050 is more than good enough too.
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What’s your screen size and how far away is the projector from the screen. Mine isn’t out of ECO mode and in SDR Natural setting the Iris is closed down to -16.
Thanks for responding! I have 100" screen and the lens is 125" from the screen. Sorry I haven't read the entire thread yet, are your other settings similar to Alaric's? I know my projector hasn't "broken in" yet (not even close) but I found his settings tended slightly greenish on my screen.

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Thanks for responding! I have 100" screen and the lens is 125" from the screen. Sorry I haven't read the entire thread yet, are your other settings similar to Alaric's? I know my projector hasn't "broken in" yet (not even close) but I found his settings tended slightly greenish on my screen.
Did you try those from Projector Reviews to see if they were any better, btw screen size and distance similar to me so ECO definitely ok and I’d adjust the Iris down for SDR contain at the very least.

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Did you try those from Projector Reviews to see if they were any better, btw screen size and distance similar to me so ECO definitely ok and I’d adjust the Iris down for SDR contain at the very least.
Thank you sir, I'll give that a shot. Love this helpful community!
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Need help with brightness for 5050 and 5040.
I have a 150 inch screen in a basement. The walls are not black velvet but I am
In the process of making the first 6-8 feet from the screen black by way of curtains and other things. I have a 5050 and just now ordered a refurbished 5040. The price difference is almost 2000$.
My question is even though when 5050 isn’t rated at 2600 and 5040 at 2500, when I plug-in my numbers into projector central calculator for both with the zoom at widest. And projector as close as possible to screen, I get a rating of 40 for 5040 and 32 for 5050. So is the 5040 more bright in calibrated mode than the 5050?? One of the issues I have with 5050 that I use now is some times I feel it’s not bright. Of course this I compare with a top of the line QLED and OLED so I know it not fair but me and probably everyone prefer a brighter picture for a similar color accuracy. Even though there is lot of HDR content that’s not main stream yet. So 90% of what I watch is HD and UHD.
Anyone that has had both and used them in ambient light conditions want to chime in on the 5050 brightness compared to the 5040?
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I chatted with oz rep here yesterday. They're NOT doing a native 4k machine any time soon, ie the next 5 years. They make machines that can make them money and the LS10500 has sold poorly worldwide so it's not being replaced. It doesn't need to be replaced. The 6050 is more than good enough too.
I have several sources within Epson's North American marketing team who have hinted heavily at native 4k in September 2019. All just rumors at this point one way or the other.

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Fun enough none of the people who seen the side by side comparison felt the NX5 had noticeably better contrast which is odd considering what has been measured, clearly something is afoot but this wasn’t just one compare in one store this was in others with the same outcome.

Well I would agree with that last statement and yet the guy who has the NX5 on order bought the LS10500 which is roughly the same price, clearly price wasn’t the issue so it must have been the overall picture that didn’t impress?
Other calibrators and reviewers are seeing something to prefer it. And the numbers are repeatable and verifiable. If I had to go out on a limb and speculate, I would guess that the issue we've found in the owners thread of elevated black floor when brightness is at 0 may be in play. Just as an example my unit needs -3 on brightness not to encounter this and it greatly increases contrast. This issue is new to this series. Previous JVC models did not do this.

As to the second part, the generalization is still valid. As for the one particular person buying the LS10500, laser brings it own advantages. If it were me I'm not sure I would go the laser route and forego the HDR/4K performance the 5050 brings to the table.

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I have several sources within Epson's North American marketing team who have hinted heavily at native 4k in September 2019. All just rumors at this point one way or the other.

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If they do, I bet they keep the 5050/6050 as is and position the new unit up market. I can't see them just coming out with the 5050/6050 and replacing them this early in the cycle. If they could get the native 4K in the $4000-4500 range they'd put real pressure on JVC and Sony and still have enough price differential to not cannibalize the 5050/6050. Especially Sony as their entry level unit is extremely bare bones feature wise for what they are asking.

They could also move pricing down across the board and really shake things up, but that would risk upsetting the people who just bought the 5050/6050. Though a sub $2k 5050 would destroy the DLP market overnight.

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Other calibrators and reviewers are seeing something to prefer it. And the numbers are repeatable and verifiable. If I had to go out on a limb and speculate, I would guess that the issue we've found in the owners thread of elevated black floor when brightness is at 0 may be in play. Just as an example my unit needs -3 on brightness not to encounter this and it greatly increases contrast. This issue is new to this series. Previous JVC models did not do this.
I can't speculate on why these guys weren't impressed by the NX5 and to assume it was lack of knowledge from the dealers in setting up I'm not so sure after all the machines were all calibrated from their respective screens and environment. Maybe distance to screen played a factor in their performance?

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As to the second part, the generalization is still valid. As for the one particular person buying the LS10500, laser brings it own advantages. If it were me I'm not sure I would go the laser route and forego the HDR/4K performance the 5050 brings to the table.
Funny you should say that but the guy who calibrated mine had previously the laser JVC Z1 on longterm loan as he gets loads of projectors to evaluate and demo, in his opinion the LS10500 would be his person choice if he were to actually own a single projector despite the knowledge that more recent machines offer better resolution.

I might be wrong but I got the feeling that he felt too much importance was placed on black levels instead of the overall picture.
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Has anyone tinkered with the Alaric settings using a medium/eco power mode? That high power mode is just too loud for me. I have a completely dark room so I don't need all that much brightness.
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I built the bright one to see what it could do and with Scott's 165" screen in mind. I've not really needed it on my 120" screen and use it in medium with a slight tweak as if anything it is too bright for a lot of movies in my bat cave. Seem to recall it useful on incredibles 2 though, so it's a useful tool to have still.

The accurate one alas needs the high power mode, but I'm very much of the idea that it is worth the noise hit for the performance.

Must admit that I've a few calibration ideas that I've yet to try, busy with other things. Also my cinema room is at the top of my 4 story house, it's summer in the UK which whilst not too bad at the moment, that room can get a bit warm and I've yet to figure out how to get aircon up there. Wrong windows and it's an odd shape and like a loft conversion with only one outside high level wall

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out of the two main calibrations which one do you guys recommend for a non light controlled room?
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out of the two main calibrations which one do you guys recommend for a non light controlled room?
That’s impossible to advise because both were set up for bat caves.

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