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I should really consider painting my room lol

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Those are US models, over here it's 9300 and 9400. Not sure what model the 9300 equivalent so in the US but I do know that the 9400 appears to be the 6050 based on the spec of both machine so it's slightly above the 5050.
TW9300 is the UB5040 from 3 years ago. Maybe I had a bad sample in 9300/5040 but otherwise the 6050/9400 is a good step up in clarity, brightness and their hdr curves are good enough as are the black levels. High ansi contrast too, I think ekki said almost 500:1. A Z1 has under 200 so it has to account for something.

Put it this way. Do you think people would just buy a smaller tv over owning this epson, if this epson was the only machine available? TV will never compare in price vs sq inches.
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I should really consider painting my room lol
I'd actually say no.... Go for black velvet / velour . Way less trouble to convert back, way less time to do and actually much better for light absorption and done reasonably more aesthetic.
I've staple gunned it just at the top for most walls and let it hang down, though i can't see why a pole and draped fabric style of curtain wouldn't work pretty well for a convertible room!
Seriously, try a couple of lengths either side of the screen or just in front of your viewing and you'll be amazed at the effect from a light wall. I was!

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I'd actually say no.... Go for black velvet / velour . Way less trouble to convert back, way less time to do and actually much better for light absorption and done reasonably more aesthetic.
I've staple gunned it just at the top for most walls and let it hang down, though i can't see why a pole and draped fabric style of curtain wouldn't work pretty well for a convertible room!
Seriously, try a couple of lengths either side of the screen or just in front of your viewing and you'll be amazed at the effect from a light wall. I was!

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Mind sharing a picture on how it looks? Like during the day

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Mind sharing a picture on how it looks? Like during the day
Mine is a dedicated room, it's like a loft conversion but was how the house was built. Just two small dormer windows and one is blocked off by the screen wall anyway, so there's not much light and there's a raised platform etc so not really a living room comparison, there are some pictures on my Google site!



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I talked a good friend of mine into building a theater in his finished basement. He just ordered the 5050ub. I'll have to get some pics of it once it's up, going to bring my x790 I just got, I hope it can light up his 56" CIH screen. I was personally on the fence about the 5050 and x790 as I've seen many 5040s in action and loved them. Hope I didn't screw myself with the size screen I want, the 5050 puts out some serious light.

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I talked a good friend of mine into building a theater in his finished basement. He just ordered the 5050ub. I'll have to get some pics of it once it's up, going to bring my x790 I just got, I hope it can light up his 56" CIH screen. I was personally on the fence about the 5050 and x790 as I've seen many 5040s in action and loved them. Hope I didn't screw myself with the size screen I want, the 5050 puts out some serious light.

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If you aren’t happy I’d trade my UB for 790 in a second.
I don't think I won't be happy but I know how bright epsons can get. JVC has the contrast but can it really light up a 150" screen and still be as vivid as a 5050.

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I don't think I won't be happy but I know how bright epsons can get. JVC has the contrast but can it really light up a 150" screen.

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Agreed and if you wanted to trade plus cash I would my screen is only 115 I don’t need the light.

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Mine is a dedicated room, it's like a loft conversion but was how the house was built. Just two small dormer windows and one is blocked off by the screen wall anyway, so there's not much light and there's a raised platform etc so not really a living room comparison, there are some pictures on my Google site!



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I'd actually say no.... Go for black velvet / velour . Way less trouble to convert back, way less time to do and actually much better for light absorption and done reasonably more aesthetic.
I've staple gunned it just at the top for most walls and let it hang down, though i can't see why a pole and draped fabric style of curtain wouldn't work pretty well for a convertible room!
Seriously, try a couple of lengths either side of the screen or just in front of your viewing and you'll be amazed at the effect from a light wall. I was!

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Something like this?

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Something like this?





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Reading that Blacker Theater Better Image thread, as me worried about the amount of work to make velvet look good, How bad of an idea would be to get the Sherwin Williams Tricorn black, paint the room, and the just add Tripple Velvet to the front instead of the entire room...
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Reading that Blacker Theater Better Image thread, as me worried about the amount of work to make velvet look good, How bad of an idea would be to get the Sherwin Williams Tricorn black, paint the room, and the just add Tripple Velvet to the front instead of the entire room...
Even the flattest matte black paint is still pretty reflective. It is also really difficult to paint over black paint once you go to sell the house. You can do it but it is definitely very challenging to cover with a primer and then paint. Once the lights go out and honestly doesn't matter what the Velvet looks like in terms of Aesthetics cuz you're not going to really see it anyway. Just my two cents.

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Even the flattest matte black paint is still pretty reflective. It is also really difficult to paint over black paint once you go to sell the house. You can do it but it is definitely very challenging to cover with a primer and then paint. Once the lights go out and honestly doesn't matter what the Velvet looks like in terms of Aesthetics cuz you're not going to really see it anyway. Just my two cents.

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Ideally you want to have black velvet back to your first listening position but even 8 to 10 ft out all around the screen on the sides and the ceiling will give you an amazing Improvement in your contrast depth and Dynamics picture quality

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Reading that Blacker Theater Better Image thread, as me worried about the amount of work to make velvet look good, How bad of an idea would be to get the Sherwin Williams Tricorn black, paint the room, and the just add Tripple Velvet to the front instead of the entire room...
Don’t get wrapped up into the whole room needs to be a black hole unless you are chasing that ultimate room. You want to minimize the light colors and reflections back to the screen. I was worried with my light grey fabric walls and after it’s done not an issue to me.
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Even the flattest matte black paint is still pretty reflective. It is also really difficult to paint over black paint once you go to sell the house. You can do it but it is definitely very challenging to cover with a primer and then paint. Once the lights go out and honestly doesn't matter what the Velvet looks like in terms of Aesthetics cuz you're not going to really see it anyway. Just my two cents.

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Very true about looks but I needed a room that looks good and performs good.
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Very true about looks but I needed a room that looks good and performs good.
Everyone's home theater is full of compromises whether that be the Aesthetics the equipment the size or even the location. I'm glad yours turned out so well it looks really professionally finished

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Absolutely right.


I recently added another 30 yards of velvet to my theater. It’s about 85 to 90% covered and when watching a movie it looks fantastic.

The room is completely worthless if your not watching a movie. It’s just a dark cave. There are pros and cons to everything. I still will listen to music once in a while but with all the lights on it’s still not a place I would want to chill.

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I recently added another 30 yards of velvet to my theater. It’s about 85 to 90% covered and when watching a movie it looks fantastic.

The room is completely worthless if your not watching a movie. It’s just a dark cave. There are pros and cons to everything. I still will listen to music once in a while but with all the lights on it’s still not a place I would want to chill.
If you're not using curtains, how do you deal with baseboard trim?

I always hear people talk about the importance of the first 6-8 feet. Wouldn't the surface directly opposite the screen, behind your seat be the next most important surface to treat as it is receiving almost as much light as your eyes are and it is at the perfect angle to reflect light back to your screen?

What about recessed light fixes and white bulbs near the screen?
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Referbs are generally fine so long as the warranty is up to snuff. That being said the NX5 is really a side step sort of, lose DCI P3 and brightness. Really the true step would have to come with the NX7. The 5050UB is at a huge price advantage and brightness advantage still.



I sit about 20 feet from my 140 inch screen. Gains in resolution are largely likely to have losses and adding an AT screen eats some of that as well. Color/Contrast and brightness are king. The 5050 feels very, very close to Dolby theaters image.


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If you're not using curtains, how do you deal with baseboard trim?



I always hear people talk about the importance of the first 6-8 feet. Wouldn't the surface directly opposite the screen, behind your seat be the next most important surface to treat as it is receiving almost as much light as your eyes are and it is at the perfect angle to reflect light back to your screen?



What about recessed light fixes and white bulbs near the screen?
My back wall opposite the screen is 27 feet back so not an issue. I discussed this topic in person back in May with the Kevin Miller, ISF Master Calibrator. He stated that after about 15 ft even the wall directly opposite the screen is not affecting the screen with light reflection, it is just too far away to make any noticeable difference. My light fixtures in my ceiling for the first 12 ft back from the screen are covered with magnetic velvet covers. All my acoustic ceiling tiles are covered in black velvet. My front wall is not covered in black velvet. Once again I am not getting light reflected back from my front wall other than where it should be reflected back: from my screen.

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Reading that Blacker Theater Better Image thread, as me worried about the amount of work to make velvet look good, How bad of an idea would be to get the Sherwin Williams Tricorn black, paint the room, and the just add Tripple Velvet to the front instead of the entire room...
The most important part of the room is the first 6ft from the screen, but the area which seems to affect the most is the ceiling. If you have a normal room with wall to ceiling at 90 degree then fitting a curtain rail and enough velvet curtain to run down the first 6-8ft of the wall would be reasonably cheap to do but the ceiling is where this become more problematic, my solution was adhesive black velour which I stuck to the walls and ceiling of my dedicated cinema, it comes in 130cm wide roll and if you got a professional wall paper guy in could make it look seamless.

Here’s an early photo when I was doing mine.



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It'd be awesome if we could ALL stay on the topic of this thread, specifically the Epson 5050ub projector.

There's hundreds of posts going into great detail on velvet curtains and blackout this, blackout that elsewhere on this forum. Why post your non-related drivel here?

Just a thought.
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It'd be awesome if we could ALL stay on the topic of this thread, specifically the Epson 5050ub projector.

There's hundreds of posts going into great detail on velvet curtains and blackout this, blackout that elsewhere on this forum. Why post your non-related drivel here?

Just a thought.
Well ironically your room lighting and how much room reflection you have does have a significant impact on the performance you can expect from the Epson 5050. So I will have to respectfully disagree with your opinion that those posts are drivel and irrelevant. If you do have some relevant information to pass along about the Epson 5050 or you have a relevant question to ask about the Epson 5050 then please do post that. There are moderators who monitor the forums and it would be their job to make the statement above and they would do it any much more professional courteous constructive way as to not offend other Forum members. I do know some of the Forum moderators. At the current time I do not believe that you are one. Thank you for keeping your personal opinion of the posts to yourself as they certainly are not relevant to the Epson 5050.

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It'd be awesome if we could ALL stay on the topic of this thread, specifically the Epson 5050ub projector.

There's hundreds of posts going into great detail on velvet curtains and blackout this, blackout that elsewhere on this forum. Why post your non-related drivel here?

Just a thought.
If you had the tiniest bit of knowledge about how projector work and how best to achieve a great picture you would realise the importance of velvet curtains and controlling the light in the room. What you call drivel others call it informative and useful, I fully understand not everyone can go down this route or want to which is perfectly fine and is the reason why the mast majority of posts don’t relate to room environment, but when the question is asked is it not done thing to help, advise and where possible educate?

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I'm agreeing with Gellert. There are forums for topics about home theater room treatments. The posts here should be SPECIFIC to the 5050/6050.
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I'm agreeing with Gellert. There are forums for topics about home theater room treatments. The posts here should be SPECIFIC to the 5050/6050.
I guess we are in the minority here.

This thread is about a specific projector, which I lovingly own. It is certainly NOT about your black velvet curtains or anything else totally unrelated to the Epson.

How about researching your black velvet on other threads and leave this topic for what it was intended for.

All you experts talking about velvet curtains being relevant to the Epson's performance are comparing apples to oranges.

Let's start talking about HDMI cables, power conditioners, and masking panels too while we're at it. May as well incorporate everything else into your non-Epson related drivel.

Yes, drivel. 🤔
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post
I'm agreeing with Gellert. There are forums for topics about home theater room treatments. The posts here should be SPECIFIC to the 5050/6050.
Ok when someone asks about calibrated settings from the likes of @Alaric are you to ignore them when they say their room is a family room with white walls etc and the settings don’t work?

In fact do we not have a dedicated calibrated section?

At what point is a discussion off topic too much, should we stop mentioning Bluray players or projector mounts?

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