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I'm paranoid about dust for my new very expensive 5050.

What maintenance should I be doing ? Any available dust coveres ? Blow dust off the unit with compressed air ? I'll wait for advice before doing anything.

Thanks !
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I'm paranoid about dust for my new very expensive 5050.

What maintenance should I be doing ? Any available dust coveres ? Blow dust off the unit with compressed air ? I'll wait for advice before doing anything.

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Obviously dust is coming from the environment the projector is in so it's always best to try and reduce the risk through renewing the air-con filters if you have one and vacuuming instead of brushing when cleaning the floor etc.

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I'm paranoid about dust for my new very expensive 5050.



What maintenance should I be doing ? Any available dust coveres ? Blow dust off the unit with compressed air ? I'll wait for advice before doing anything.



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I would suggest getting a air purifier for your theater room.

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I just ordered this BJC Series-3A Active HDMI Cable to see if if gets rid of the random blackouts:

https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store...hdmi-cable.htm
Same random blackout problems with the Monoprice fiber optic cable.

Back to the drawing board...
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Same random blackout problems with the Monoprice fiber optic cable.

Back to the drawing board...
https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-FURUI-HD...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

I and some other members of the forum have had great success with this cable. Pricey but worth it IMHO. Passes a great signal from my Denon 6500 to my Epson 6050.

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https://www.amazon.com/HDMI-FURUI-HD...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

I and some other members of the forum have had great success with this cable. Pricey but worth it IMHO. Passes a great signal from my Denon 6500 to my Epson 6050.

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Thank you, but that’s the original cable that I was using which is able to display all signals but causes random blackout screens with this projector on 1080p, 4K and HDR.

The occurrences are totally random but it happens often (sometimes several times throughout a movie).

Only regular non fiber optic HDMI cables work without blackouts...
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Thank you, but that’s the original cable that I was using which is able to display all signals but causes random blackout screens with this projector on 1080p, 4K and HDR.

The occurrences are totally random but it happens often (sometimes several times throughout a movie).

Only regular non fiber optic HDMI cables work without blackouts...
Have you tried running any of the cables directly from source to projector bypassing the receiver? It would help clarify whether the issue is with the receiver, source projector or the cable. I know it is frustrating. Stating that only non-fiber HDMI cables can be used without blackouts as a general observation is a false and misleading statement. It is just not true. Your particular setup has been having video playback blackouts regardless of the cable being used.

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I found out over the years that going straight from the player to the projector is the best way ' never had a black out ever. Now the BD player needs 2 HDMI outs ' so one can go to the Receiver for sound.
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Have you tried running any of the cables directly from source to projector bypassing the receiver? It would help clarify whether the issue is with the receiver, source projector or the cable. I know it is frustrating. Stating that only non-fiber HDMI cables can be used without blackouts as a general observation is a false and misleading statement. It is just not true. Your particular setup has been having video playback blackouts regardless of the cable being used.

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My apologies if I did not express myself correctly. I am in no way implying that fiber optic HDMI cables don’t work. I am simply stating that after having exhausted many possibilities, my particular setup only works reliably with standard HDMI cables.

If you take a look at my original post below, you will notice that I have tried many different methods trying to identify the problem.

It is also possible that the projector HDMI circuitry is the culprit, but I am going to try another Active HDMI cable from BJC to see if that makes a difference:



I will post my findings upon further testing.

Thanks to all!

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My apologies if I did not express myself correctly. I am in no way implying that fiber optic HDMI cables don’t work. I am simply stating that after having exhausted many possibilities, my particular setup only works reliably with standard HDMI cables.

If you take a look at my original post below, you will notice that I have tried many different methods trying to identify the problem. It is possible that the projector HDMI circuitry is the culprit, but I am going to try one more HDMI powered HDMI cable from BJC to see if that makes a difference.

I will post my findings upon further testing.

Thanks to all!

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Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted other forum members to know that Fiber Optic HDMI cables do work .The link I sent was for the fiber optic Furui cable through Amazon not Ruipro. I am sorry you are having such difficulty. I assume you have tried using HDMI 2 on the projector and different HDMI outputs on your receiver if available.

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Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted other forum members to know that Fiber Optic HDMI cables do work .The link I sent was for the fiber optic Furui cable through Amazon not Ruipro. I am sorry you are having such difficulty. I assume you have tried using HDMI 2 on the projector and different HDMI outputs on your receiver if available.

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Yes, I have tried HDMI 2 and various combinations on both the projector and two different receivers. I also tried 5V power adapters. In addition, I made sure to turn off the ARC and CEC functions on all the electronics for good measure.

This process is like trying to find the source of that little noise that your car is making which “can’t be replicated” by the dealer.

I will keep trying until I find a solution.
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Yes, I have tried HDMI 2 and various combinations on both the projector and two different receivers. I also tried 5V power adapters. In addition, I made sure to turn off the ARC and CEC functions on all the electronics for good measure.

This process is like trying to find the source of that little noise that your car is making which “can’t be replicated” by the dealer.

I will keep trying until I find a solution.
Does running directly from source to projector work for any of the cables? I agree with your automobile analogy.

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Has anybody made a hush box for this pj? I plan to make one for noise/ aesthetics/ air filtering. Fans will be temp controlled. Glass will be optical and tilted to 10 degrees. The front intake/ exhaust fans are a little tricky for designing a good airflow path.
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Are there alternative ceiling mounts to the Epson CHF4000/45000 that people like for the Epson 5050ub? Ones that lock so you don't accidentally move it when you press the power button etc? And that give you confidence it won't fall on your head?
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Are there alternative ceiling mounts to the Epson CHF4000/45000 that people like for the Epson 5050ub? Ones that lock so you don't accidentally move it when you press the power button etc? And that give you confidence it won't fall on your head?

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Are there alternative ceiling mounts to the Epson CHF4000/45000 that people like for the Epson 5050ub? Ones that lock so you don't accidentally move it when you press the power button etc? And that give you confidence it won't fall on your head?
Is this the same as the one that comes with the 6050 or does it come with Epson Universal Projector Ceiling Mount Kit (ELPMBPJG). This includes a 3" extension bar. Do they make a 1 ft or preferably 2+ ft extension? I have a 10 ft ceiling. Thanks.
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Thinking about picking up the 6050 and wondering about screens. I know this isn't a screen thread but was just wondering what people think about Elunevision Reference 4K regular fixed frame vs Reference 4K Slim Frame vs Elara fixed frame. I am looking at 135" 16:9 screen size, sitting about 13-14 ft away. Thanks and sorry for random jumping in!

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Thinking about picking up the 6050 and wondering about screens. I know this isn't a screen thread but was just wondering what people think about Elunevision Reference 4K regular fixed frame vs Reference 4K Slim Frame vs Elara fixed frame. I am looking at 135" 16:9 screen size, sitting about 13-14 ft away. Thanks and sorry for random jumping in!

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I would prefer the regular fixed frame for any projector overshoot. The Elunevision Reference 4k screen is very comparable to the much more expensive reference standard Stewart StudioTek 100. It is an amazing screen for a light controlled blacked out velvet dedicated home theater. If this is not your viewing environment you need to look at some other screens. Ambient lighting and reflections from the ceiling, sidewalls and to a lesser degree the floor can significantly impact the image on your chosen screen.

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I would prefer the regular fixed frame for any projector overshoot. The Elunevision Reference 4k screen is very comparable to the much more expensive reference standard Stewart StudioTek 100. It is an amazing screen for a light controlled blacked out velvet dedicated home theater. If this is not your viewing environment you need to look at some other screens. Ambient lighting and reflections from the ceiling, sidewalls and to a lesser degree the floor can significantly impact the image on your chosen screen.

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Thanks for the input, I did like the smaller border that still gives you a little overshoot but looks a little cleaner. I'm guessing the Elara screen is a pretty big step down from the reference 4k because of the price. My room is light controlled but not hard core black velveted everywhere.

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Thanks to advice from Luminated67 I purchased 10 metres of self adhesive Black Velour cloth and attached it to the walls surrounding my screen. I also stuck it to my ceiling. Wow, what a huge difference it made.
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Thanks to advice from Luminated67 I purchased 10 metres of self adhesive Black Velour cloth and attached it to the walls surrounding my screen. I also stuck it to my ceiling. Wow, what a huge difference it made.
Hmmm, was thinking of painting my ceiling but maybe I should try that instead.

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Paint can't come close to the non reflective qualities of this flock velour, on my ceiling I had a white heat recovery vent close to the screen which was white and my down spotlights were brushed stainless steel, I covered these in the flock and unless you were directly under the vent you wouldn't be able to see it. It's amazing how when something is completely non reflective masked it's shape.

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If you are unable to put up the velvet/flocking you might want to at least consider a higher gain screen or an ALR(ambient light rejecting) screen otherwise known as a gray screen. You could also consider this very specific reflectance minimizing paint from Rosco.

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Called Epson. The mount included with the 6050 is the Chief CHF4500. Chief makes various extension columns for it.

I have a 10 ft ceiling. Top of screen about 7 ft off floor.

Even though there is lens shift to compensate, would it still be preferable to spend $120 for a 2-3 ft adjustable mount extension to minimize lens shift? Thanks.

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So right now I can get the 6050UB or the JVC X790R for the same price. I am leaning towards the 6050 as it sounds like it is brighter if you're not going to use the digital cinema filter and it is supposed to have a nice HDR pop. It is also nice that it comes with a mount and an extra bulb. From my research it sounds like the JVC may have better blacks if you have the theatre room completely blacked out. This is tempting as I do like sci-fi and dark shows like game of thrones. That being said I am kind of tired of always having to have every single light turned off when I want to watch some sports or just regular TV shows. Is anybody here using the 5050/6050 with some light in the room, maybe some pot lights along the sides etc. and does it work well still? Any thoughts on the JVC? (I know which thread I'm in lol)

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Called Epson. The mount included with the 6050 is the Chief CHF4500. Chief makes various extension columns for it.

I have a 10 ft ceiling. Top of screen about 7 ft off floor.

Even though there is lens shift to compensate, would it still be preferable to spend $120 for a 2-3 ft adjustable mount extension to minimize lens shift? Thanks.
the 6050ub's lens shift capabilitiy was a huge selling point for me, it gives you a lot of installation options... in your case you would be dealing with vertical shifting, which the 6050 is able to do to the tune of 70%+ up or down (depending on distance), in other words you have a lot to work with... personally i would just mount it close to the ceiling using the supplied post and shift... also, the posts, from what i can tell, are standard piping which can be custom sized, threaded and purchased at your local hardware store... re shifting, fwiw i spoke to an epson tech support guy about shifting before i purchased the pj given i intended to use shifting, the guy i spoke to was no-nonsense and very knowledgeable, said that the shifting on these pj's was excellent and did not diminish image quality... my pj just arrived today, i'll probably get a chance to check it out before the weekend, and will definitely see if what the tech guy said was true!
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So right now I can get the 6050UB or the JVC X790R for the same price. I am leaning towards the 6050 as it sounds like it is brighter if you're not going to use the digital cinema filter and it is supposed to have a nice HDR pop. It is also nice that it comes with a mount and an extra bulb. From my research it sounds like the JVC may have better blacks if you have the theatre room completely blacked out. This is tempting as I do like sci-fi and dark shows like game of thrones. That being said I am kind of tired of always having to have every single light turned off when I want to watch some sports or just regular TV shows. Is anybody here using the 5050/6050 with some light in the room, maybe some pot lights along the sides etc. and does it work well still? Any thoughts on the JVC? (I know which thread I'm in lol)

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i intend to use the 6050 in moderate ambient light, have a white screen and an alr screen to test it with, i'll take shots of what it looks like in ambient light when i get it set up.
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So right now I can get the 6050UB or the JVC X790R for the same price. I am leaning towards the 6050 as it sounds like it is brighter if you're not going to use the digital cinema filter and it is supposed to have a nice HDR pop. It is also nice that it comes with a mount and an extra bulb. From my research it sounds like the JVC may have better blacks if you have the theatre room completely blacked out. This is tempting as I do like sci-fi and dark shows like game of thrones. That being said I am kind of tired of always having to have every single light turned off when I want to watch some sports or just regular TV shows. Is anybody here using the 5050/6050 with some light in the room, maybe some pot lights along the sides etc. and does it work well still? Any thoughts on the JVC? (I know which thread I'm in lol)

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I have some pot lights. For sports viewing I can have the 3 pots light on dim about 12 ft back from the screen with negligible impact on the viewing experience. I have a 1.3 gain 120 inch Seymour Seymour Glacier White screen with black out velvet on ceiling and sidewalls back to main viewing position at 13 ft. I use the Cinema Filter with high lamp using @Alaric settings . I get some great HDR pop. I prefer movies with all lights off. Pictures don't really do it justice.

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Thanks for the replies,I look forward to seeing what it looks like. Sounds like only a little bit of light is OK with the 6050 so would probably be a no go with the JVC.

On a side note a refurb 5040 is on for only $1500 CDN which is tempting but I think all the fooling around with HDMI bandwidth issues would get annoying quickly.

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