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I demo'd a 6040 on the weekend and it was in a fairly small all-white painted room with low ceilings (ceiling white too). We had full light control though. Screen was white too (Grandview). It honestly looked stunning, tons of punch and blacks seemed like they couldn't get much deeper. I am sure if the room was covered in black velvet it would be a bit better but I really don't think you are going to be missing out too much by just putting in a white screen. Grey screens are an eye-sore when not in use in my opinion, which is an issue for some (subjective). For those of us without the luxury of a dedicated theater room and have to use the projector in a bonus room or main basement area, I think you'll be fine with white.
It is hard not to be impressed by a large bright image regardless of the screen and room conditions. But make no mistake about it your picture quality will suffer due to ambient light and light being reflected back onto the screen from bright surfaces such as white walls and white ceilings. Even if you can control ambient light by turning off lights and closing blinds your screen will send light out to the walls and ceilings and white living room walls and ceilings will send a good amount of light back onto the screen degrading your perceived contrast. ALR screens were designed for living room situations. You will give up some accurate color representation with an ALR screen but I doubt you would notice. You will notice color washout from light reflecting back onto your white screen from your white walls and white ceiling even when the room is completely dark. Velvet is best but even painting the walls a dark matte color will improve things quite a bit. But I think white walls and ceilings require an ALR SCREEN. Contrast is greatly improved as is the overall image quality.

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I demo'd a 6040 on the weekend and it was in a fairly small all-white painted room with low ceilings (ceiling white too). We had full light control though. Screen was white too (Grandview). It honestly looked stunning, tons of punch and blacks seemed like they couldn't get much deeper. I am sure if the room was covered in black velvet it would be a bit better
LOL, I’ve went through the whole process of converting dark grey walls and ceiling to black velour and the different is shocking so I can tell you the difference with a white room would be staggering.
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LOL, I’ve went through the whole process of converting dark grey walls and ceiling to black velour and the different is shocking so I can tell you the difference with a white room would be staggering.
Yeah I think once I move in to the new place that I will do the black velvet treatment and see what my Epson 3100 looks like then make a decision on my next projector.

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For the Epson 5050 in a room with poor light control during the day, mostly watching at night (but with white walls etc!) should I get a white screen, a grey, or a dark grey (high contrast) screen? Looking at Silver Ticket screens, and I don't want to get an ALR screen.
This is a good article about ALR screens. I would not go with a white screen in your situation. You have too much light coming in and too many reflections from your walls and ceilings for a white screen to compliment the Epson 5050.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/amb...-screens-2.htm

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You should be using the projector display info from the menu. For a 60 hz signal test try watching HDR content from Netflix like The Highwaymen movie. Color depth should display 12 bit 4:2:2. Color format should display BT.2020 HDR10. When viewing the typical 4K disc through a UHD player it should be color depth 12 bit 4:4:4. Color format should display BT.2020 HDR10. 60HZ is also known as frames per second or FPS. If you get 60 HZ you can be assured your cable is capable of 18GBPS which is one of the main streaming differences between the 5040 and the 5050. Depending upon your streaming device and streaming service it might be 24FPS 30FPS OR 60FPS. not all devices or services stream in 60FPS. On my Roku Ultra player Netflix streams HDR content at 60FPS. same with Prime Video. VUDU 4K HDR streams at 24FPS which displays on the projector at 24 Hz. First pic is Vudu 4k HDR movie. Second pic is Netflix 4K HDR MOVIE. Third pic is 4K HDR disc. Now another thing is some streaming 4K movies don't include HDR DATA so they would just be formatted as SDR COLOR DATA. Not many but some.

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This is what I'm getting when watching The Highwaymen.

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What streaming device are you using? What is your receiver brand and model?

The good news is that are definitely getting 60 FPS/HZ. So I am fairly certain your cable is capable of supporting all the Epson color depths and color formats.

The movie should be 12 bit 4:2:2 so either your source device or receiver isn't capable or there are some settings in the projector and your receiver that might need some adjusting.

On the projector under Signal>Advanced>EDID it should be set to expanded. Some people have stated Expanded settings causes too long of a delay when they switch sources devices or even simply change from one title to another within that source device.

I would say a 5 to 10 second delay is pretty normal but some people have reported over 30 second delay. All depends on how nicely your components interact with each other.



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What streaming device are you using? What is your receiver brand and model?

The good news is that are definitely getting 60 FPS/HZ. So I am fairly certain your cable is capable of supporting all the Epson color depths and color formats.

The movie should be 12 bit 4:2:2 so either your source device or receiver isn't capable or there are some settings in the projector and your receiver that might need some adjusting.

On the projector under Signal>Advanced>EDID it should be set to expanded. Some people have stated Expanded settings causes too long of a delay when they switch sources devices or even simply change from one title to another within that source device.

I would say a 5 to 10 second delay is pretty normal but some people have reported over 30 second delay. All depends on how nicely your components interact with each other.



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I'm using an Xfinity 4k box to stream Netflix, and the projector is set to Expanded.

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This is what I'm getting when watching The Highwaymen.

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https://www.techhive.com/article/171...bit_color.html

Great article about why 8, 10 and 12 bit matter

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I'm using an Xfinity 4k box to stream Netflix, and the projector is set to Expanded.

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The Xfinity 4k box playback should automatically default to the appropriate 4K color depth based on your display device capabilities. The 5050 is capable of 12bit 4:4:4 which is from a UHD disc. Streaming formats are never that high. They are usually 12bit 4:2:2 or 12bit 4:2:0. So I am not sure why you are getting 10 bit . Could be a receiver setting or the HDMI cable is only capable of 10 bit or could just be Netflix through Xfinity is limited to 10bit. Do you have a UHD player yet? That way you could pop in a disc and narrow down what is going on.

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https://www.techhive.com/article/171...bit_color.html

Great article about why 8, 10 and 12 bit matter

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I also have an Nvidia Shield, and I tried setting it to a 12 bit setting. It keeps reverting back to the 10 bit setting. Could that mean my HDMI cable doesn't support 12 bit?

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As far as a receiver, I have the S710W, and here are the specs, so I think I'm good there.

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I also have an Nvidia Shield, and I tried setting it to a 12 bit setting. It keeps reverting back to the 10 bit setting. Could that mean my HDMI cable doesn't support 12 bit?

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If you are familiar with your Nvidia Shield and know how to get 12bit from it then I would say there is a setting in your receiver that needs to be adjusted or the cable doesn't support 12bit.

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I also have an Nvidia Shield, and I tried setting it to a 12 bit setting. It keeps reverting back to the 10 bit setting. Could that mean my HDMI cable doesn't support 12 bit?

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As I am sure you are aware if everything in your chain doesn't support 12bit then it will default to whatever the lowest supported bit rate of your components.

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As I am sure you are aware if everything in your chain doesn't support 12bit then it will default to whatever the lowest supported bit rate of your components.

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You have a Best Buy pretty close by in Limerick. You could buy a UHD player and you can always return it. Buy a 4K HDR disc and see if you get 12bit 4:4:4. You could also try running your Nvidia Shield directly to the projector using the HDMI CABLE and see if you get 12bit. If you get 12bit when bypassing your receiver then it is not the cable it is your receiver. What is your receiver?

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You have a Best Buy pretty close by in Limerick. You could buy a UHD player and you can always return it. Buy a 4K HDR disc and see if you get 12bit 4:4:4. You could also try running your Nvidia Shield directly to the projector using the HDMI CABLE and see if you get 12bit. If you get 12bit when bypassing your receiver then it is not the cable it is your receiver. What is your receiver?

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As far as a receiver, I have the S710W, and here are the specs, so I think I'm good there.

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Under video settings in your S710W do you have the 4K Signal Format set to Enhanced? I agree that reciever should pass any of the current color depth and color space formats.

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This is the troubleshooting section for your issue from the Denon website. My educated guess at this point is the HDMI CABLE is limited to 10bit.

https://denon-uk.custhelp.com/app/an...gh-not-working

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This is the troubleshooting section for your issue from the Denon website. My educated guess at this point is the HDMI CABLE is limited to 10bit.

https://denon-uk.custhelp.com/app/an...gh-not-working

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This is the cable I got from Amazon. I'm almost positive it's the cable. I didn't realize there were certain things that some 4k cables can do, or not do.

4K HDMI Cable, HDMI Cord (35 feet HDMI to HDMI, Top Series) supports ([email protected], 1080p FullHD, UHD, Ultra HD, 3D, High Speed with Ethernet, ARC, PS4, XBOX, HDTV) by KabelDirekt https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008U7SLEW..._k6BxDb9FTVR8B

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This is the cable I got from Amazon. I'm almost positive it's the cable. I didn't realize there were certain things that some 4k cables can do, or not do.

4K HDMI Cable, HDMI Cord (35 feet HDMI to HDMI, Top Series) supports ([email protected], 1080p FullHD, UHD, Ultra HD, 3D, High Speed with Ethernet, ARC, PS4, XBOX, HDTV) by KabelDirekt https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008U7SLEW..._k6BxDb9FTVR8B

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This is the cable I use. I have had zero issues. Seems like a lot of money and it is. But it was definitely worth it. Just cut out coffee for a couple of months.

https://www.amazon.com/50ft-FURUI-Br...8-3&th=1&psc=1

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This is the cable I use. I have had zero issues. Seems like a lot of money and it is. But it was definitely worth it. Just cut out coffee for a couple of months.

https://www.amazon.com/50ft-FURUI-Br...8-3&th=1&psc=1

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This is a review from the cable I have. I didn't know I had to look for 4:4:4

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This is a review from the cable I have. I didn't know I had to look for 4:4:4

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IMHO anything beyond 25 ft you should use fiber optic HDMI cable to ensure you are getting the signal to your projector for which you paid

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IMHO anything beyond 25 ft you should use fiber optic HDMI cable to ensure you are getting the signal to your projector for which you paid

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I ordered the one you have. I'll let you know how it works when I get it Friday. Thanks !

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I ordered the one you have. I'll let you know how it works when I get it Friday. Thanks !

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I have the Denon 6500 which should share many of those same internal components as your receiver.

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DON"T DO IT...cancel that order!


You don't have to spend that much.....here is one, a Fiber Optic HDMI I have used repeatedly.... at 33' for just barely over 1/3rd the cost. Shoot...you can get a 49'er for only $5.00 more!


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1




I thought I had you better learned that that.......
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You got snookered! But take some comfort in the knowledge that many, MANY others fall afoul of oblique wording and outright false claims.


If a Cable doesn't have a HDMI Certified Scan Tag "ON THE PACKAGE" ....that it ain't......



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DON"T DO IT...cancel that order!


You don't have to spend that much.....here is one, a Fiber Optic HDMI I have used repeatedly.... at 33' for just barely over 1/3rd the cost. Shoot...you can get a 49'er for only $5.00 more!


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1




I thought I had you better learned that that.......
The prices of Fiber Optic HDMI Cords are downward mobile......you just gotta know where to snatch 'em up.

Don't jerk a knee at the first suggestion......ask and ye shall be illuminated!
I know people have been struggling to find longer length HDMI cables that do full 4k, so when someone said they found one that worked properly, I ordered it because it's been confirmed as working properly. I cancelled it, and ordered the one you suggested.

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DON"T DO IT...cancel that order!


You don't have to spend that much.....here is one, a Fiber Optic HDMI I have used repeatedly.... at 33' for just barely over 1/3rd the cost. Shoot...you can get a 49'er for only $5.00 more!


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1




I thought I had you better learned that that.......
The prices of Fiber Optic HDMI Cords are downward mobile......you just gotta know where to snatch 'em up.

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You are definitely the king of awesome AV on a very discerning budget. I did originally try the Fiber Optic HDMI cable you suggested but alas the signal cut in and out too much for me to use it. I am glad it has worked out for you. It can never hurt to try the cheaper chicken. Thanks for your recommendation.

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You are definitely the king of awesome AV on a very discerning budget. I did originally try the Fiber Optic HDMI cable you suggested but alas the signal cut in and out too much for me to use it. I am glad it has worked out for you. It can never hurt to try the cheaper chicken. Thanks for your recommendation.

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I figured I'd give it a shot, because it has free returns. I have nothing to lose. I'll let you know if it works for me. Thanks for your help !

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I figured I'd give it a shot, because it has free returns. I have nothing to lose. I'll let you know if it works for me. Thanks for your help !

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If it works you saved around $100. That is a savings you could put towards a UHD player so definitely nothing to sneeze at. I really hope it works for you.

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I figured I'd give it a shot, because it has free returns. I have nothing to lose. I'll let you know if it works for me. Thanks for your help !

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