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I apologize I do not understand how you use an anamorphic lens with the projector if the projector does not have the lens resolution mode to support it. This is the 6050 manual



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I don't understand either, hence my question. I will be using an Oppo 203 as a stand-in to perform the stretching vertically that the 6050 is capable of, but feeding the 5050UB through the 203. I'm just wondering if this is possible before investing in an anamorphic lens.

So I guess my question is, can an Oppo 203 do with a 5050UB what a 6050UB can do natively?
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I don't understand either, hence my question. I will be using an Oppo 203 as a stand-in to perform the stretching vertically that the 6050 is capable of, but feeding the 5050UB through the 203. I'm just wondering if this is possible before investing in an anamorphic lens.



So I guess my question is, can an Oppo 203 do with a 5050UB what a 6050UB can do natively?
I would ask the people who are experts on anamorphic lens applications. So I would ask the company from whom you are considering buying the lens. They should hopefully be familiar with the Oppo 203 and the lens .

I don't know of anyone on this forum who is running an anamorphic lens with the 5050. Could be it doesn't work. Could be most people who can afford an anamorphic lens are either buying the 6050 or an even more expensive projector designed to be used with an anamorphic lens. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Any answer I give would just be an educated guess. My inclination is no you cannot.

@Josh Z sorry to bother you but I know you are extremely knowledgeable. Do you know if you could use the Oppo 203 to facilitate using an anamorphic lens with the Epson 5050?

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I don't understand either, hence my question. I will be using an Oppo 203 as a stand-in to perform the stretching vertically that the 6050 is capable of, but feeding the 5050UB through the 203. I'm just wondering if this is possible before investing in an anamorphic lens.



So I guess my question is, can an Oppo 203 do with a 5050UB what a 6050UB can do natively?


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I would ask the people who are experts on anamorphic lens applications. So I would ask the company from whom you are considering buying the lens. They should hopefully be familiar with the Oppo 203 and the lens .

I don't know of anyone on this forum who is running an anamorphic lens with the 5050. Could be it doesn't work. Could be most people who can afford an anamorphic lens are either buying the 6050 or an even more expensive projector designed to be used with an anamorphic lens. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Any answer I give would just be an educated guess. My inclination is no you cannot.

@Josh Z sorry to bother you but I know you are extremely knowledgeable. Do you know if you could use the Oppo 203 to facilitate using an anamorphic lens with the Epson 5050?

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IMHO, an anamorphic lens seems like an unnecessary expense and adds a level of complexity that is negated by the lens design. See the AVS Forum review that states, in part, "... if you have a 2.40:1 aspect ratio screen. You can enjoy many widescreen Hollywood movies zoomed in, so that the image fills the screen; no anamorphic lens required."

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I don't understand either, hence my question. I will be using an Oppo 203 as a stand-in to perform the stretching vertically that the 6050 is capable of, but feeding the 5050UB through the 203. I'm just wondering if this is possible before investing in an anamorphic lens.



So I guess my question is, can an Oppo 203 do with a 5050UB what a 6050UB can do natively?





IMHO, an anamorphic lens seems like an unnecessary expense and adds a level of complexity that is negated by the lens design. See the AVS Forum review that states, in part, "... if you have a 2.40:1 aspect ratio screen. You can enjoy many widescreen Hollywood movies zoomed in, so that the image fills the screen; no anamorphic lens required."
Thanks for the reply. On a 130" wide (141" diagonal) 2.39:1 screen like I have, an anamorphic lens would provide a brightness boost to 57 fL up from 47 fL. 47 fL is plenty bright, so I'll likely just stick with it zoomed in. Thanks.
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I don't understand either, hence my question. I will be using an Oppo 203 as a stand-in to perform the stretching vertically that the 6050 is capable of, but feeding the 5050UB through the 203. I'm just wondering if this is possible before investing in an anamorphic lens.



So I guess my question is, can an Oppo 203 do with a 5050UB what a 6050UB can do natively?





IMHO, an anamorphic lens seems like an unnecessary expense and adds a level of complexity that is negated by the lens design. See the AVS Forum review that states, in part, "... if you have a 2.40:1 aspect ratio screen. You can enjoy many widescreen Hollywood movies zoomed in, so that the image fills the screen; no anamorphic lens required."
This is a good article that details the different aspect ratios and the reasons why an an anamorphic lens still has added benefits that zooming without one simply does not.

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Cho...pect-Ratio.htm

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@Josh Z sorry to bother you but I know you are extremely knowledgeable. Do you know if you could use the Oppo 203 to facilitate using an anamorphic lens with the Epson 5050?
Sorry, I have not been following this thread. If you have or can get one, an OPPO 203 has full aspect ratio control for 21:9 Constant Image Height. It will stretch any image you play on it vertically, so that the image will restore proper picture geometry when projected through an anamorphic lens. The OPPO 203 also has an HDMI input so that you can feed other video sources through its processor. For example: Streaming device -> OPPO -> Projector. The OPPO will stretch content from that source as well.

If the projector does not have CIH scaling built-in, the OPPO player is a good solution. Of course, they're out of production and expensive to obtain today.

Sadly, other solutions such as a Lumagen Radiance Pro would be even more expensive.

I suppose there might be some HTPC options as well, but I'm not familiar with those.

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[quote=Josh Z;58701600]Sorry, I have not been following this thread. If you have or can get one, an OPPO 203 has full aspect ratio control for 21:9 Constant Image Height. It will stretch any image you play on it vertically, so that the image will restore proper picture geometry when projected through an anamorphic lens. The OPPO 203 also has an HDMI input so that you can feed other video sources through its processor. For example: Streaming device -> OPPO -> Projector. The OPPO will stretch content from that source as well.

If the projector does not have CIH scaling built-in, the OPPO player is a good solution. Of course, they're out of production and expensive to obtain today.

Sadly, other solutions such as a Lumagen Radiance Pro would be even more expensive.

I suppose there might be some HTPC options as well, but I'm not familiar with those.[/quote @Josh Z thank you very much for taking the time to reply and share your knowledge. I knew I chose the right man to reply. Thanks again for your almost infinite knowledge and willingness to share. It is greatly appreciated.

@flashedvirus0 your answer is listed above . It seems as if you could use the Oppo 203 with the Epson 5050ub to support using an anamorphic lens.

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So I finally made my first jump into the 4K world and bought the 5050 tonight. So far, I've not seen any appreciable resolution improvements that I fond meaningful. I have a 150" screen I watch from about 16 feet away. My initial comparison with my old projector was running a Roku to the 5050 and maintaining the Apple TV to the Epson 3700. I then switched the Apple TV to the 5050 and found that I just generally enjoy the Apple TV image more. So first question, is Apple TV doing anything different that Roku isn't? Apple TV just seems a little cleaner. And yes, I used the same HDMI to the 5050 from each source.
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So I finally made my first jump into the 4K world and bought the 5050 tonight. So far, I've not seen any appreciable resolution improvements that I fond meaningful. I have a 150" screen I watch from about 16 feet away. My initial comparison with my old projector was running a Roku to the 5050 and maintaining the Apple TV to the Epson 3700. I then switched the Apple TV to the 5050 and found that I just generally enjoy the Apple TV image more. So first question, is Apple TV doing anything different that Roku isn't? Apple TV just seems a little cleaner. And yes, I used the same HDMI to the 5050 from each source.
Honestly at 16 feet away from your screen I wouldn't expect most people to notice a huge difference from 1080P and real 4K let alone eshift 4k. For 4K displays you should be sitting around 1 times the diagonal width of your display so that would be about 12ft for you screen size. Were you watching 4k content or upscaled 1080P? If you sit at 12 ft and still don't notice any difference in picture quality you may want to consider taking the 5050 back. Maybe try a 4k bluray player with HDR before you give up on the 4K experience. But you definitely need to sit closer.

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Honestly at 16 feet away from your screen I wouldn't expect most people to notice a huge difference from 1080P and real 4K let alone eshift 4k. For 4K displays you should be sitting around 1 times the diagonal width of your display so that would be about 12ft for you screen size. Were you watching 4k content or upscaled 1080P? If you sit at 12 ft and still don't notice any difference in picture quality you may want to consider taking the 5050 back. Maybe try a 4k bluray player with HDR before you give up on the 4K experience. But you definitely need to sit closer.

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Most people with a 150" display don't sit 12ft away...and you should easily be able to tell the difference between 1080 and 4k even at 16ft.

People with 120" usually are around 12ft away from the screen Fwiw.

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Most people with a 150" display don't sit 12ft away...and you should easily be able to tell the difference between 1080 and 4k even at 16ft.

People with 120" usually are around 12ft away from the screen Fwiw.

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I was talking about the general population. LOL
Not videophiles like yourself. Of course you can see the difference probably at 20 ft from your monstrous screen. LOL. But seriously there are guidelines for viewing 4k to really appreciate the difference. YMMV. Not you. I know you can see the difference.

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Sorry, I have not been following this thread. If you have or can get one, an OPPO 203 has full aspect ratio control for 21:9 Constant Image Height. It will stretch any image you play on it vertically, so that the image will restore proper picture geometry when projected through an anamorphic lens. The OPPO 203 also has an HDMI input so that you can feed other video sources through its processor. For example: Streaming device -> OPPO -> Projector. The OPPO will stretch content from that source as well.

If the projector does not have CIH scaling built-in, the OPPO player is a good solution. Of course, they're out of production and expensive to obtain today.

One quick note on this. The 21:9 scaling features in the OPPO player are designed for use with a 1.33x anamorphic lens. Panamorph's current Paladin DCR lens has a different stretch factor since it's intended to be used on a projector with a 17:9 panel, such as Sony and JVC native 4k models.


Because the Epson 5050 is a pixel-shifting model with a 1080p 16:9 panel, you'd want a 1.33x lens anyway, such as the regular Paladin (no DCR).

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One quick note on this. The 21:9 scaling features in the OPPO player are designed for use with a 1.33x anamorphic lens. Panamorph's current Paladin DCR lens has a different stretch factor since it's intended to be used on a projector with a 17:9 panel, such as Sony and JVC native 4k models.


Because the Epson 5050 is a pixel-shifting model with a 1080p 16:9 panel, you'd want a 1.33x lens anyway, such as the regular Paladin (no DCR).
Thank you for taking the time to follow up. It is much appreciated, even if the person who needed the information is MIA.

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Fox Sports App on Roku Ultra . Iowa State vs Texas Tech in 4K glory from my Epson 6050 on my 120 inch Seymour Glacier white screen. Looks more amazing in person. Don't sign up. It is free. Just click through. You get 60 minutes free and then you delete the app and reinstall the app and get another 60 minutes. As many times as you want. ALCS later on in 4K.

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Most people with a 150" display don't sit 12ft away...and you should easily be able to tell the difference between 1080 and 4k even at 16ft.

People with 120" usually are around 12ft away from the screen Fwiw.

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I'm getting REALLY close to the same detail watching End Game streaming on the Apple TV app to my Epson 3700 as I am watching the UHD disc off of a X Box One X to the 5050. The difference is I can do more with the color, black levels are lower and I am truly enjoying a very quiet fan comparatively. As has been discussed before the color expansion adds way more to me than the detail enhancement, what little my eyes are detecting. A detail side by side with my face smooshed the screen probably would yield better results to the 5050 but that's not how I watch movies. The added color, much better contrast and lowered fan noise are the upgrades.

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Anyone know if Epson is developing Auto Tone Mapping for a future firmware update? This seems to be the future for projectors and HDR.

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I'm getting REALLY close to the same detail watching End Game streaming on the Apple TV app to my Epson 3700 as I am watching the UHD disc off of a X Box One X to the 5050. The difference is I can do more with the color, black levels are lower and I am truly enjoying a very quiet fan comparatively. As has been discussed before the color expansion adds way more to me than the detail enhancement, what little my eyes are detecting. A detail side by side with my face smooshed the screen probably would yield better results to the 5050 but that's not how I watch movies. The added color, much better contrast and lowered fan noise are the upgrades.
Is endgame a 4k disc?

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Is endgame a 4k disc?

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Avengers:End Game is shot in 6.5K but the digital master is 2K.

Therein lies the problem: we fail to look at the source and spend too much time on the projector displaying the source!!

2K masters, while upscaled on a UHD disc to 4K, are still 2K. With the pixel shifting only displaying 4 MP, there is little, if any, increase in RESOLUTION seen by our eyeballs. 2K upscaled to 8 MP, but displayed at 4 MP is going to look pretty much like 2K.

I think we need to be aware of the source resolution. Obviously, there's a whole lot more going on than just resolution too..
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I was talking about the general population. LOL
Not videophiles like yourself. Of course you can see the difference probably at 20 ft from your monstrous screen. LOL. But seriously there are guidelines for viewing 4k to really appreciate the difference. YMMV. Not you. I know you can see the difference.

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So I finally made my first jump into the 4K world and bought the 5050 tonight. So far, I've not seen any appreciable resolution improvements that I fond meaningful. I have a 150" screen I watch from about 16 feet away. My initial comparison with my old projector was running a Roku to the 5050 and maintaining the Apple TV to the Epson 3700. I then switched the Apple TV to the 5050 and found that I just generally enjoy the Apple TV image more. So first question, is Apple TV doing anything different that Roku isn't? Apple TV just seems a little cleaner. And yes, I used the same HDMI to the 5050 from each source.
I’m curious if you are using any of the image enhancement presets on the 5050, my first ever projector was a 6100 and not sure whether that’s better or worse than the 3700 but the difference between it and my 9400(6050) is remarkable.

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Anyone know if Epson is developing Auto Tone Mapping for a future firmware update? This seems to be the future for projectors and HDR.
I hope this is possible as per the JVCs which also started with static tone mapping. You’d think the Epsons have the relevant processing power to do this so hopefully someone with a product engineering contact could find out!
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Apple TV 4K (set to SDR)

Netflix - Our Planet

Living room with white walls and ceiling and some ambient light so by no means the ideal setup...

Pic taken with an iPhone XS Plus and not edited in any way.

I should retake at night with HDR on to really do the projector justice...
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Living room with white walls and ceiling and some ambient light so by no means the ideal setup...

Pic taken with an iPhone XS Plus and not edited in any way.

I should retake at night with HDR on to really do the projector justice...
Thank you for replying I would love to see the difference in HDR and at night. Thanks again for giving all the details. Much appreciated.

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I’m curious if you are using any of the image enhancement presets on the 5050, my first ever projector was a 6100 and not sure whether that’s better or worse than the 3700 but the difference between it and my 9400(6050) is remarkable.

Well let's start there. Today I've started with looking at the 1080p bluray's to check out the upscaling and just noticed under "Image Enhancement" that "4K enhancement," Noise Reeducation" and MPEG Noise Reduction" is greyed out. My supply to the projector is that I'm running an HDMI DIRECTLY from the Xbox One X to the projector. No AVR in the middle. I'm currently just running an optical out to the AVR while I experiment with this thing. These things are all greyed out whether I'm watching a bluray disc or UHD. Doesn't matter. I went in and played with the Xbox video output settings and lowered it from 4K to 1080p just to see if it was doing the upscaling and it didn't matter either way. "Frame Interpolation" on the previous screen is greyed out as well. Anyone know what's going on here?
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Well let's start there. Today I've started with looking at the 1080p bluray's to check out the upscaling and just noticed under "Image Enhancement" that "4K enhancement," Noise Reeducation" and MPEG Noise Reduction" is greyed out. My supply to the projector is that I'm running an HDMI DIRECTLY from the Xbox One X to the projector. No AVR in the middle. I'm currently just running an optical out to the AVR while I experiment with this thing. These things are all greyed out whether I'm watching a bluray disc or UHD. Doesn't matter. I went in and played with the Xbox video output settings and lowered it from 4K to 1080p just to see if it was doing the upscaling and it didn't matter either way. "Frame Interpolation" on the previous screen is greyed out as well. Anyone know what's going on here?
Make sure you set Image Processing to Fine. Also, when you press the info button on the Epson, does it say it's 1080p?

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Well let's start there. Today I've started with looking at the 1080p bluray's to check out the upscaling and just noticed under "Image Enhancement" that "4K enhancement," Noise Reeducation" and MPEG Noise Reduction" is greyed out. My supply to the projector is that I'm running an HDMI DIRECTLY from the Xbox One X to the projector. No AVR in the middle. I'm currently just running an optical out to the AVR while I experiment with this thing. These things are all greyed out whether I'm watching a bluray disc or UHD. Doesn't matter. I went in and played with the Xbox video output settings and lowered it from 4K to 1080p just to see if it was doing the upscaling and it didn't matter either way. "Frame Interpolation" on the previous screen is greyed out as well. Anyone know what's going on here?
If all those items are greyed out it means that whatever you are sending to the projector is already some type of 4K signal either the Blu-ray players doing upscaling or whatever other source you're using is doing upscaling. If you actually send 1080p to the projector than 4K enhancement would not be greyed out.

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If all those items are greyed out it means that whatever you are sending to the projector is already some type of 4K signal either the Blu-ray players doing upscaling or whatever other source you're using is doing upscaling. If you actually send 1080p to the projector than 4K enhancement would not be greyed out.

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Under info it's showing "3840 x 2160." I didn't realize that would knock out Noise and MPEG Noise as well. I guess the Xbox ONE X is doing it's own upscaling knocking the all of that out including 4K Enhancement.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted previously:

http://cine4home.de/benq-w5700-vs-ep...nzimmerbeamer/

It's a detailed comparison review of the W5700 and TW9400. Use google translate for the language of choice.
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