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post #4591 of 4668 Old 12-02-2019, 06:10 PM
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Have you looked into CIH / Constant Image Height?

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Just weighing in as a follow-up to my previous post. The news is not good.



After speaking with technical support, then a technical support supervisor and then being transferred to the corporate office, I was hung up on by "Sal" because I was not happy with their solutions to my problem.



I explained to "Sal" that replacing my unit with another one (maybe refurb, maybe new, couldn't tell me) isn't solving my problem. Every time they send a new unit instead of trying to solve whatever technical problem exists, it costs me at least $500 to have the unit calibrated.



Here's what was shocking. "Sal" had no idea why the projector needed to be calibrated. And he refused to believe that professional calibration would cost $500 or more.



I tried to explain to him that even at the 6050 launch event, they had Kevin Miller calibrate the demo units, and that he charges even more than $500 to calibrate a unit with both widescreen and 16:9 memory.



After a few more minutes of pointless back and forth of me asking if they'd be sending $500 with the replacement, or if I needed to pay $1500 just for the privilege of owning a 5050, he hung up on me.



I've been patient. I've been appreciative. I think, in general, that offering to send a replacement is a fine option. But not understanding or refusing to believe that these units need to be calibrated is absurd. Even when faced with the fact that they have their own units calibrated.



For the additional $1500 that it will cost to have yet another projector calibrated, I could have bought a 6050, or explored a JVC with native 4k.



There's too many of us on this board who have had to go through multiple units for me to accept that everything is OK with their quality control or manufacturing. And the fact that they would rather replace units than offer technical support tells me that they know it too.



I may have bought my last Epson, and I'm certainly going to tell them that they can no longer use the video interview I gave at the Epson launch event as marketing material.
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Wow...what sort of problem are you having? 4th replacement on a 5050??


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Just weighing in as a follow-up to my previous post. The news is not good.

After speaking with technical support, then a technical support supervisor and then being transferred to the corporate office, I was hung up on by "Sal" because I was not happy with their solutions to my problem.

I explained to "Sal" that replacing my unit with another one (maybe refurb, maybe new, couldn't tell me) isn't solving my problem. Every time they send a new unit instead of trying to solve whatever technical problem exists, it costs me at least $500 to have the unit calibrated.

Here's what was shocking. "Sal" had no idea why the projector needed to be calibrated. And he refused to believe that professional calibration would cost $500 or more.

I tried to explain to him that even at the 6050 launch event, they had Kevin Miller calibrate the demo units, and that he charges even more than $500 to calibrate a unit with both widescreen and 16:9 memory.

After a few more minutes of pointless back and forth of me asking if they'd be sending $500 with the replacement, or if I needed to pay $1500 just for the privilege of owning a 5050, he hung up on me.

I've been patient. I've been appreciative. I think, in general, that offering to send a replacement is a fine option. But not understanding or refusing to believe that these units need to be calibrated is absurd. Even when faced with the fact that they have their own units calibrated.

For the additional $1500 that it will cost to have yet another projector calibrated, I could have bought a 6050, or explored a JVC with native 4k.

There's too many of us on this board who have had to go through multiple units for me to accept that everything is OK with their quality control or manufacturing. And the fact that they would rather replace units than offer technical support tells me that they know it too.

I may have bought my last Epson, and I'm certainly going to tell them that they can no longer use the video interview I gave at the Epson launch event as marketing material.
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Under "Image Enhancement" 4K enhancement is always grayed out when the projector receives a 4k signal . In order for that to not be grayed out you need to send a 1080 signal to the projector. Your ATV4K probably is probably set to upscale all content to 4K . Your reciever is also probably set to upscale all content to 4K. You would need to set both of those upscalers to off in order to send a 1080 signal to the projector. Then you would see a 1920 x 1080 under the projector resolution info screen. Then the 4K Enhancement would no longer be grayed out and you could decide whether you want the projector to upscale the content to 4K. Image Processing also needs to set to Fine to allow for the projector to do the upscaling. Personally I let my source devices do the upscaling when 1080 content is broadcast. Some people prefer the upscaling of the projector.

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Basically when it's grayed out means it's already receiving a 4K signal so you don't have an option to reduce this to non 4K (logically enough), for that to happen you would need to be feeding it a 1080P signal.

I must admit I didn't read the original OP's question properly and just grabbed on to the HDMI part of his post, yes the EDID needs to be set to Expanded to receive the full beans.

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Wow...what sort of problem are you having? 4th replacement on a 5050??
I went through 3 Epson 4000 projectors. The original had a weird outline that was projected onto the screen and scratched lens off of store shelf. Epson replaced it with a refurb that had an unbalanced motorized lens that would just "shift" out of no where. 3rd one is also refurb with a scratched lens and best described color uniformity issues. At this point I have given up on Epson. If you are a Epson fan, buy the extended warranty through a retail store for exchange IN STORE. You will not get a new one like BenQ did for me when I sent my 3050 in.

JVC NX7 will be next once settlement money comes in.

Not to railroad this thread, but if you are even considering the 6050 at its price point, you are in the Native 4k JVC NX5 territory through certain online/dealers here.

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I went through 3 Epson 4000 projectors. The original had a weird outline that was projected onto the screen and scratched lens off of store shelf. Epson replaced it with a refurb that had an unbalanced motorized lens that would just "shift" out of no where. 3rd one is also refurb with a scratched lens and best described color uniformity issues. At this point I have given up on Epson. If you are a Epson fan, buy the extended warranty through a retail store for exchange IN STORE. You will not get a new one like BenQ did for me when I sent my 3050 in.

JVC NX7 will be next once settlement money comes in.

Not to railroad this thread, but if you are even considering the 6050 at its price point, you are in the Native 4k JVC NX5 territory through certain online/dealers here.
That and the NX7 would be on my radar but with a 150" screen the lumen hit is real coming from a 6050. I don't think I would buy a JVC with larger than a 135" screen unless I only watched in bat cave environments. I watch about 50% sports with lights on and 50% movies so I need all the light I can get from the projector.
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Wow...what sort of problem are you having? 4th replacement on a 5050??
The first 5050 was shipped / packaged so poorly that the store (Stuart's Audio, Westfield, NJ) wouldn't even give it to me. They had to place a new order. So my ownership of a 5050 seems to have been doomed from the get-go.

That second unit had problems with the HDMI inputs, where HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 were not receiving or displaying the same signal, despite using the HDMI cable and same sources. After a week of back and forth Epson simply stopped replying to me. I sent emails to tech support every three days trying to get a response, but got nothing. That forced me to escalate the issue, where I was finally able to get an RMA issued.

Unfortunately that unit (now the 3rd) came with a scratched and spotted lens, which the rep agreed was not acceptable. He issued a new RMA for a 4th unit, which I have had since June.

In October, with 180 hours on the projector, that unit began to flash the Blue Status and Orange Lamp light, which the manual says is an "internal projector error" and to contact Epson. They opened a ticket to note the problem, and told me to unplug it and re-open the ticket if it happened again. Which, of course, it did this weekend, with under 224 hours on the projector.

So here I am, looking at a 5th potential unit.

The real rub for me - other than getting hung up on - is paying to have these units calibrated, and then having some know-nothing, no-saying corporate stooge essentially tell me that I'm wrong and that these units don't need to be calibrated.

This whole thing is ridiculous, and I'm inclined to think that their approach to this mess tells me that they know they have a problem.

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That and the NX7 would be on my radar but with a 150" screen the lumen hit is real coming from a 6050. I don't think I would buy a JVC with larger than a 135" screen unless I only watched in bat cave environments. I watch about 50% sports with lights on and 50% movies so I need all the light I can get from the projector.
I'm in a similar boat. I currently have a 110" 16:9 screen, but intended to step up to 125" or 135" 2.35:1, but I've had to deal with this projector issue. I'm probably 75% movies, 25% sports, but still want to be able to see the sports when they the lights are on. I use Dynamic Mode already, so I'd be concerned about wash-out. But I'll worry about that later.

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I went through 3 Epson 4000 projectors. Epson replaced it with a refurb that had an unbalanced motorized lens that would just "shift" out of no where. 3rd one is also refurb with a scratched lens and best described color uniformity issues. At this point I have given up on Epson.

JVC NX7 will be next once settlement money comes in.

Not to railroad this thread, but if you are even considering the 6050 at its price point, you are in the Native 4k JVC NX5 territory through certain online/dealers here.
With ya 100%. Definitely could have paid for a NX5 with the same money, but think I'd lean towards the NX7, spec wise. Will have to wait and see.

Hopefully someone who gives a $h!t will get back to me this week rather than dealing with people who are paid to say "take it or leave it, I don't care."

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I must admit that back at the release of the TW9400 in the UK those of us who got them at the start some had the dreaded flashing blue light with shut down myself included but after a month or two these issues stopped and if you check on AVForum you’ll see none of these problems anymore. Funny enough I was outside of the 30 days replacement policy so mine was repaired under warranty and in fact the complete fix took only 3-4 days including collection and return.

Over on AVForum I seldom hear or dust blobs or any other issues so is this more an issue with Epson US?

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The reason I was considering that large a screen was because I liked the height for 16:9 and 4:3 ratio movies and wanted to keep it, but with wider 2:40:1 scope movies. I think it could work sitting closer with a smaller screen with the increased resolution of the 6050 though. Will have to try it on the wall before deciding.
Yes, we don't want 1.33:1 and 1.78:1 to be perceived smaller. The goal should be not to take a hit with narrower material and only increase the immersion of wider material. I don't know what your current seating distance is from your current screen, but once you've determined the seating distance/screen height ratio you can plug it in for a smaller height scope screen to keep the narrower material the same perceived size.

But you may not have to go too small. One of the reasons I'm a fan of the Epson's, besides the outstanding picture for the price, is their ability to light up rather large screens. When I was on the Kansas City crawl, one of the theaters owned by user Carp, was using a 5040 and a very large scope screen. I'm sure he'd be happy to share his experiences if you sent him a PM.
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The Epson web site has two 6050 User Guides. Why is this? Does it matter which one is used? Thanks.

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From what I recall here in the past, I want to disable the HDR slider on the Epson 6050 and enable it on the Panasonic DP-UB820. Looked through the Epson guide and not sure which menu function for this. Dynamic Range sounds appropriate, but guide says that's for 4050 only.

Also, presume if watching Amazon Prime UHD with stick in Yamaha processor, need to enable setting again on Epson. Thanks.

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Fan noise too loud?

So I ended up getting a 5050UB just before Thanksgiving. It has replaced a Sony HW40ES. I did a direct comparison between the two and I was kind of hoping NOT to notice a discernible difference so I could return the Epson and save myself several grand. Fortunately/unfortunately, the Epson is a CLEAR upgrade over the older Sony. The fauxK makes a distinct difference in sharpness and detail, but the true upgrade is in the color. The increased color palette is immediately noticeable and HDR looks amazing. The Epson is a damn light cannon!

However, one negative I have is the noise of the Epson. Even in Mid-power mode the fan is clearly audible during quiet scenes in movies. Even my wife commented on it, and she never notices that kind of stuff. The HW40ES couldn't be heard at all, even in high-lamp mode, so this has been hugely disappointing. Is this level of noise normal, or is there a chance I have a defective unit? Not only do I hear a "whoosh", but there is also an audible hum that happens on a regular cadence (every second or so).

Also, I took jaredmwright's suggestion and built a hanging box wrapped w/ speaker cloth to hide the projector. It turned out pretty well (see attached pics).
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So I ended up getting a 5050UB just before Thanksgiving. It has replaced a Sony HW40ES. I did a direct comparison between the two and I was kind of hoping NOT to notice a discernible difference so I could return the Epson and save myself several grand. Fortunately/unfortunately, the Epson is a CLEAR upgrade over the older Sony. The fauxK makes a distinct difference in sharpness and detail, but the true upgrade is in the color. The increased color palette is immediately noticeable and HDR looks amazing. The Epson is a damn light cannon!



However, one negative I have is the noise of the Epson. Even in Mid-power mode the fan is clearly audible during quiet scenes in movies. Even my wife commented on it, and she never notices that kind of stuff. The HW40ES couldn't be heard at all, even in high-lamp mode, so this has been hugely disappointing. Is this level of noise normal, or is there a chance I have a defective unit? Not only do I hear a "whoosh", but there is also an audible hum that happens on a regular cadence (every second or so).



Also, I took jaredmwright's suggestion and built a hanging box wrapped w/ speaker cloth to hide the projector. It turned out pretty well (see attached pics).
Turn that box into a hush-box maybe...?

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Turn that box into a hush-box maybe...?

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Great job on the box you built, looks even better than a projector hanging, very clean.

Have you tried to calibrate your projector on ECO? You may be able to get it close enough which should reduce the noise. I posted DB readings from my 6050ub.

Consider getting some foam isolation that is used in packing/sound isolation and lining the three sides with it to see the difference. See attachment for what I mean.

I have a light controlled room and always find ECO more than bright enough and barely audible. I only barely hear the Iris when in use.

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The first 5050 was shipped / packaged so poorly that the store (Stuart's Audio, Westfield, NJ) wouldn't even give it to me. They had to place a new order. So my ownership of a 5050 seems to have been doomed from the get-go.

I am curious why you feel the 5050UB needs a professional calibration. Mine looks amazing without it, so I'm not sure what real improvement a calibration would bring.
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Great job on the box you built, looks even better than a projector hanging, very clean.

Have you tried to calibrate your projector on ECO? You may be able to get it close enough which should reduce the noise. I posted DB readings from my 6050ub.

Consider getting some foam isolation that is used in packing/sound isolation and lining the three sides with it to see the difference. See attachment for what I mean.

I have a light controlled room and always find ECO more than bright enough and barely audible. I only barely hear the Iris when in use.

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Not a great idea to wrap foam around any type of heat producing electronic item. I understand the the venting for the projector is in the front. You are reducing the noise. You are also raising the internal temperature of the projector. This will cause the cooling mechanism to work harder than intended. This will cause premature wear and early mechanical failure. Hush boxes need to be well thought out and properly designed to reduce heat not increase it.

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I am curious why you feel the 5050UB needs a professional calibration. Mine looks amazing without it, so I'm not sure what real improvement a calibration would bring.
Some people would not notice the improvements a professional calibration brings. Those individuals are very smart to not waste their money. Many people prefer the inaccurate colors and blown our images from an overly bright display. That is how televisions in stores look. Overly saturated , overly bright and what appears to be higher contrast due to the those factors. A calibrated image is color accurate, brings out specular highlights and shadow details, among other things. There is no right or wrong. Everyone enjoys images differently.

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Not a great idea to wrap foam around any type of heat producing electronic item. I understand the the venting for the projector is in the front. You are reducing the noise. You are also raising the internal temperature of the projector. This will cause the cooling mechanism to work harder than intended. This will cause premature wear and early mechanical failure. Hush boxes need to be well thought out and properly designed to reduce heat not increase it.

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Totally agree and good point, I would put a temperature sensor up and take readings before and during modifications to ensure it doesn't cause hot spots and do some tests with and without.

You could add silent low rpm fans and address the heat issues. You may not need any sound isolation on top depending on seating and where the sound is coming from to reduce heat.

Lots of things contribute to heat, how close to the ceiling, total air volume, etc... Looks like you have room to adjust and increase size if necessary to add ventilation.

Good luck and report back.



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Is it better to have the Denon AVR-X2600H receiver upscale 1080 content to 4k or to have the Epson 5050 projector do the upscaling to 4k? How good is the Epson upscaling?
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However, one negative I have is the noise of the Epson. Even in Mid-power mode the fan is clearly audible during quiet scenes in movies. Even my wife commented on it, and she never notices that kind of stuff....Is this level of noise normal, or is there a chance I have a defective unit? Not only do I hear a "whoosh", but there is also an audible hum that happens on a regular cadence (every second or so).

Also, I took jaredmwright's suggestion and built a hanging box wrapped w/ speaker cloth to hide the projector. It turned out pretty well (see attached pics).
My 5050 was particularly loud as well. I sit 4' in front of the projector and always hear it during quieter scenes.

AMAZING job on the box. I love your whole room.

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I am curious why you feel the 5050UB needs a professional calibration. Mine looks amazing without it, so I'm not sure what real improvement a calibration would bring.
Like most things, there's a law of diminishing return for sure. And calibrating the projector is definitely more about refining the image than fixing a problem.

Did I love the picture the first time I fired up the 5050? Oh, HELL YES! I was blown away. So "need" may not be the right word here.

That said, is there room for improvement? Yup. No doubt. Epson even had their 6050 calibrated for the NYC launch event and kept the calibrator on hand for the evening.

Towards the end of my calibration, I sat with Chad (hdtvbychadb.com) as he was putting the finishing touches on and asked him to show me what he was tweaking.

We had on The Greatest Showman and it was an outside, dark scene where people were carrying torches. Chad was trying to nail down the skin tones. He was going back and forth on a single adjustment in the 8-point greyscale settings. Never in a million years would I have thought that I could see the difference if the Grey Scale Level 5 Green was a -2 or a -3. But when Chad showed me what to look for during the changes, it suddenly became very easy to see the differences.

Some other projector review site shared three calibrations for HDR "best", HDR "bright" and SDR. Its worth just looking at the data and seeing the differences between them. (projectorreviews.com/epson/epson-home-cinema-5050ub-4k-capable-home-theater-projector-review-calibration-settings)

For a look at some of the data, take a look at the attached graphs. These are some of the pre/post calibration reports. In graph form, it looks like a pretty dramatic difference. Whether or not someone can see the differences, or think they are significant, or think its worth the extra money are personal choices.

When I think about the amount of money I've invested in my movie watching experience, an extra $500 to squeeze out additional performance from the projector seemed like an easy decision to make. I think of it the same way as treating a room for 2nd and 3rd level reflections, or painting the ceiling a dark color to improve the contrast on the screen.

Just my $.03. Curious what you think of the graphs, @groggrog .
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Some people would not notice the improvements a professional calibration brings. Those individuals are very smart to not waste their money. Many people prefer the inaccurate colors and blown our images from an overly bright display. That is how televisions in stores look. Overly saturated , overly bright and what appears to be higher contrast due to the those factors. A calibrated image is color accurate, brings out specular highlights and shadow details, among other things. There is no right or wrong. Everyone enjoys images differently.

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That is so true, my brother-in-law watches his TV in dynamic mode that frankly cut the eyes out of my within about 10-15 mins and every time I’m round when he goes into the kitchen to make a cuppa I quickly switch the setting to natural but every time I return to see them it back to dynamic.

For him a calibration would be the biggest waste of money.

In fact he listens to music in much the same way with bass and treble both turned up to the max.

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Like most things, there's a law of diminishing return for sure. And calibrating the projector is definitely more about refining the image than fixing a problem.

Did I love the picture the first time I fired up the 5050? Oh, HELL YES! I was blown away. So "need" may not be the right word here.

That said, is there room for improvement? Yup. No doubt. Epson even had their 6050 calibrated for the NYC launch event and kept the calibrator on hand for the evening.

Towards the end of my calibration, I sat with Chad (hdtvbychadb.com) as he was putting the finishing touches on and asked him to show me what he was tweaking.

We had on The Greatest Showman and it was an outside, dark scene where people were carrying torches. Chad was trying to nail down the skin tones. He was going back and forth on a single adjustment in the 8-point greyscale settings. Never in a million years would I have thought that I could see the difference if the Grey Scale Level 5 Green was a -2 or a -3. But when Chad showed me what to look for during the changes, it suddenly became very easy to see the differences.

Some other projector review site shared three calibrations for HDR "best", HDR "bright" and SDR. Its worth just looking at the data and seeing the differences between them. (projectorreviews.com/epson/epson-home-cinema-5050ub-4k-capable-home-theater-projector-review-calibration-settings)

For a look at some of the data, take a look at the attached graphs. These are some of the pre/post calibration reports. In graph form, it looks like a pretty dramatic difference. Whether or not someone can see the differences, or think they are significant, or think its worth the extra money are personal choices.

When I think about the amount of money I've invested in my movie watching experience, an extra $500 to squeeze out additional performance from the projector seemed like an easy decision to make. I think of it the same way as treating a room for 2nd and 3rd level reflections, or painting the ceiling a dark color to improve the contrast on the screen.

Just my $.03. Curious what you think of the graphs, @groggrog .

Great explanation and thanks for sharing the info! Not sure if I'm the type that would notice much difference with calibration but it's worth a shot. I did reach out to Chad to see if he's making a New Jersey run sometime soon.


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Guys, I am planning a theater with the 5050 or 6050 and I have 5 questions for you:

1. Will either Epson handle a 160” diagonal 2.39 screen? The primary use is for movies in a dark, light controlled dedicated theater. The screen I’m planning is the Screen Innovations in the Slate 1.2 gain fabric. This is an ALR fabric, which I had planned to utilize for sports watching with some ambient light, but the primary use is for movie watching in a dark room. I would say sports watching is maybe 5-10% of overall use. I could switch to their pure white fabric if that would really helped the brightness, and just accept some compromises when having some ambient light in the room for sports parties.

2. The projector calculators I’m looking at say I should have the throw distance at about 22 feet. Closer than that puts the projector into a wide angle setting. Does that look right?

3. Would the 6050UB vs 5050 make any difference in image quality or brightness, given some of my challenges? I’ve read the 6050 has higher quality lenses, would this or anything else help my brightness challenges?

4. I’ve read about the noise on this projector and I’m planning on having to do a hush box since I’m assuming it will run at least in the medium brightness setting. Would running it in high full time be strenuous on the projector? Or does that just wear out the lamp sooner?

5. The 6050 comes with a mount. Is it a good one? How flush to the ceiling does it get? I was toying with the idea of mounting it to the ceiling and then building the hush box around it, but to make this work the mount has to get the projector pretty tight to the ceiling.
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My 5050 was particularly loud as well. I sit 4' in front of the projector and always hear it during quieter scenes.

AMAZING job on the box. I love your whole room.
Thanks! I agonized over the design of the room for quite a while and I'm very happy with the end result.


Also, thanks to all of you who provided feedback regarding the noise of the 5050. I really don't want to do a hush box for various reasons. I was more curious if my unit is normal in terms of fan noise, or if there is any chance that I have a defective unit. If the fan noise is just something I need to get used to that's fine, but if it's abnormal I would like to have the projector replaced.

I don't think the placement makes any difference for my 5050. When I first set it up it was sitting on a table behind my theater room couch. The noise was just as audible then as it is now that it is mounted on the ceiling.
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Thanks! I agonized over the design of the room for quite a while and I'm very happy with the end result.





Also, thanks to all of you who provided feedback regarding the noise of the 5050. I really don't want to do a hush box for various reasons. I was more curious if my unit is normal in terms of fan noise, or if there is any chance that I have a defective unit. If the fan noise is just something I need to get used to that's fine, but if it's abnormal I would like to have the projector replaced.



I don't think the placement makes any difference for my 5050. When I first set it up it was sitting on a table behind my theater room couch. The noise was just as audible then as it is now that it is mounted on the ceiling.
Your fan noise sounds normal to me. During quiet scenes I can hear the projector in High and Medium fan mode. I use Eco for SDR and do not hear the fan nose then although SDR is mainly sports viewing. Not many quiet sports LOL , except golf.

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My 5050 was particularly loud as well. I sit 4' in front of the projector and always hear it during quieter scenes.

AMAZING job on the box. I love your whole room.
Thanks! I agonized over the design of the room for quite a while and I'm very happy with the end result.


Also, thanks to all of you who provided feedback regarding the noise of the 5050. I really don't want to do a hush box for various reasons. I was more curious if my unit is normal in terms of fan noise, or if there is any chance that I have a defective unit. If the fan noise is just something I need to get used to that's fine, but if it's abnormal I would like to have the projector replaced.

I don't think the placement makes any difference for my 5050. When I first set it up it was sitting on a table behind my theater room couch. The noise was just as audible then as it is now that it is mounted on the ceiling.
This is a forum about audio and video, so why don't a few of us post a short video clip showing the volume/SPL level of the projector at a measurement distance of 6" from the front of the unit, in eco, medium, and high lamp modes? That way we can compare SPL levels, and also compare the actual sound of the units, to see if there is a general consensus on what it is supposed to sound like and how loud is typical. I have a UMIK-1 and REW, and I'll start working on that now. I'll post a reply with a YouTube link of my video soon.

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This is a forum about audio and video, so why don't a few of us post a short video clip showing the volume/SPL level of the projector at a measurement distance of 6" from the front of the unit, in eco, medium, and high lamp modes? That way we can compare SPL levels, and also compare the actual sound of the units, to see if there is a general consensus on what it is supposed to sound like and how loud is typical. I have a UMIK-1 and REW, and I'll start working on that now. I'll post a reply with a YouTube link of my video soon.
I think this is a great idea. I tried recording a video w/ my phone last night but I wasn't thrilled with the audio quality. I'll see if I can get a better recording tonight. I also have a SPL meter somewhere that I can dig out.
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This is a forum about audio and video, so why don't a few of us post a short video clip showing the volume/SPL level of the projector at a measurement distance of 6" from the front of the unit, in eco, medium, and high lamp modes? That way we can compare SPL levels, and also compare the actual sound of the units, to see if there is a general consensus on what it is supposed to sound like and how loud is typical. I have a UMIK-1 and REW, and I'll start working on that now. I'll post a reply with a YouTube link of my video soon.
That sounds like a lot of work. Can't we just bitch about things instead? ;-)

Does anyone have a good (preferably free) app they can recommend (android and iOS)? I've tried a few, but had 5-10db differences between them, so not sure that it would represent any fair comparison or useful data.

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