Originally Posted by plain fan
Questions for the owners of the Epson 5050/6050. I finally had the opportunity to AB the Epson 6050 and the JVC NX5 this weekend at a Magnolia Design Center with a very knowledgeable employee. I spent two hours with him going back and forth between the two projectors watching Planet Earth 2 on UHD and Oblivion on UHD. We also watched a little bit of Tron Legacy on blu-ray. He turned off all the lights and was projecting to a 100" screen. The disc source was the Panasonic UB820.
My impressions were the the color looked "right" on the JVC versus the Epson but if I wasn't going back and forth I would probably not have noticed. The reds and greens appeared a bit over saturated on the Epson. We watched the "Cities" portion of the Planet Earth 2 disc where they are filming with night vision to show the jaguars hunting and taking piglets from a pack of wild pigs. My question is this, do any owners of the 5050/6050 have this disc? Were the night vision scenes red? I ask because when we switched to the JVC the same scenes were noticeably gray and not red. Is this just a poorly adjusted projector? The guy admitted that neither projector had been calibrated beyond the basics of using a setup disc.
We also went back and forth on detailed scenes and the Epson did look softer compared to JVC at 7' from the screen. Both on 4k discs and Tron Legacy in 1080p. Tron was upscaled by the Panasonic to 4k to both projectors and the Epson was not as sharp. This would be due to the difference in the native 4k of the JVC versus the E-shift of the Epson, correct?
When switching from Planet Earth 2 to Oblivion the differences between the two were very subtle. However, with both discs, points of light in the image (windows at night, fires, etc) were different. On the Epson the lights weren't really "points" more like blobs of light compared to the JVC which were more "points." Could this have been how the two projectors handle HDR highlights or is it back to the difference in E-shift versus native 4k?
When it came to contrast both were very close. Yes, the JVC handled dark scenes very well, while the Epson was a little bit brighter in the same scenes. But I'm not sure if calibrating the two would have produced closer results. Again, if I wasn't viewing them back to back, I'm not sure that I would remember the differences between the two.
I wasn't able to play with the HDR slider on the Epson and the JVC was running the latest firmware with DTM enabled. The two projectors were very close and if I wasn't switching back and forth, I'm not sure that I would have easily remembered the differences.
And a final question, if I were to go back with demo discs of my own. What would be recommended to help evaluate the differences? I'm looking for 4k disc recommendations.
Many thanks in advance
Originally Posted by HTX^2steve
From how you explained it...it sounds like a very close comparison. With those differences you saw between the two on the Epson you could dial in or out depending on your preferences. But dollar for features the Epson should sway you to the Epson side just that the Epson would be a tad bit more versatile with features that the JVC doesn't have.
Great review..2 hours with a best buy salesperson...impressive. I can never hold their attention for 2 minutes and never can find one if I am not buying.
Excellent leg work. You're doing the right thing by not buying on impulse, esp., after two hours and taking more time to get input to help make the right choice for you.
I'll try to answer what questions I can.
You might want to confirm that the JVC NX5 has the firmware update announced last year for dynamic tone mapping. If it doesn't then it should only perform better after it's installed.
I'd also check that the Epson has its color alignment spot on. There's a "pattern" accessible from the remote that will display white lines to check to see if the lines are a solid white or if there is color fringing. If there are color fringes, try correcting it. The salesman should be able to do that within a few seconds. I mention the color alignment because it can be the cause of the blurring you mentioned or it could be as you suspected, i.e. the difference in e-shifting and native 4K, the differences are more apparent on very large screen or when viewing at very close distances. At a normal seating distance, reportedly from reviews, the differences vary from indistinguishable to negligible.
I'd pop in the test disc they used to check to see if each projector is properly set up. I know the Epson lacks a "blue" setting for checking and adjusting the color pattern but I don't know about the JVC. Alternatively, I'd use the Spears&Munsil UHD Benchmark disc
and get the blue filter
for it, if BB doesn't have both. If the salesman knows his projectors then he can make the basic adjustments for contrast, black level, color, tint and sharpness within a few minutes. This disc has superb demo material, so if the projectors are adjusted to where you are comparing apple to apples, then you'll have a better evaluation platform.
Check to see if the Epson is in High IRIS mode or not. I like that mode despite the pumping in fade to blacks. Try different settings of the IRIS. Check the HDR 10 setting. It's probably at its default setting but experimenting with the HDR slider a notch or two can yield more satisfying results.
Is the Epson projector in High or ECO mode? ECO will be dimmer.
Color temperature setting could be set too high causing the saturation you're seeing in the Epson, or the Color setting could be too high if not adjusted properly with the test disc.
As for clarity, I slightly prefer my Epson's up-conversion of Standard Blurays over my Panasonic 820's up-conversion. But YMMV.
Be sure the "soap opera effect" is OFF on both projectors. That would be Frame Interpolation on the Epson and can only be activated with a 1080P/24hz input, otherwise the Frame Interpolation selection in the Menu will be grayed out with 4K signals.
Finally, I also, had the choice to buy either of these projectors and decided on the Epson 5050 UB based on its feature set of 10 memory and lens settings as I have legacy sources that I still utilize, my room set up and the $2799 price.
I hope this helps. Good luck with your purchase decision.