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What glasses are you using for 3D?

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Just the Epson ones that came with the 5020UB and I have a 2 pair of cheap Samsung ones (can't remember the part#) which I got cheap but can't source any more. They have a switch that puts them into 2D mode which is how my daughter had to use them when watching 3D movies with me. They are slightly lighter in weight and a little smaller - both work very well IMO

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Just the Epson ones that came with the 5020UB and I have a 2 pair of cheap Samsung ones (can't remember the part#) which I got cheap but can't source any more. They have a switch that puts them into 2D mode which is how my daughter had to use them when watching 3D movies with me. They are slightly lighter in weight and a little smaller - both work very well IMO

I use the Samsung Ssg5100gb 3D glasses. Quite inexpensive and they work great. Search around they are readily available on Ebay an Amazon.

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Hi. Can you advice me what settings should I use for MadVR settings for best hdr experience? I was using pass-through so far but read somewhere that a dynamic setting is better. Also I have noticed that 4:4:4 colour is better blacks compared to 4:2:2 set in control panel so I have to run 23Hz when watching movies. I have no idea how set up MadVR and hard to find info on the net for my 6050 projector. I have 150 inch screen so my peak nits at high lamp natural mode (this is how I watch) is around 100 I believe. Any advice will be much appreciated.
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THE Epson 5050UB/6050UB Thread (No Price Talk)

Anyone using the Samsung SSG-4100GB glasses with the 6050? Looking into diving into the 3D realm finally


Edit: just noticed someone using the 5100gb, which I’m guessing are newer model

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Guys.



Wtf.



I'm pulling my hair out trying to calibrate this.



I'm using HCFR and i1 display pro plus.



I have a diy 138" screen and the projector is mounted as close as a possibly can so the zoom is fully open giving as much light as possible. Screen gain is between .7 and .9 and my room is fully light controlled.



I can not get more than 17 footlamps/ 58 nits !!!!!!



I am using natural mode high lamp. Gamma is 0 and I cant get it any higher? This makes zero sense based on what the projector is rated for. Any tips?
What settings are you using in HCFR?

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I think it would be faster to let me know what I should be using as I'm new to this.


And also, if in calibrating hdr what color space do I calibrate to when using natural model with no color filter. Vs digital cinema that engages the filter ?

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In the 5050UB club as of Saturday, coming from a Panasonic AE8000 in same screen. Finally got it all tuned in. Here’s a picture. 92 inch Carada cinema white screen. About 10ft away. The image is from Netflix 4K HDR Our Planet Episode 2
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In the 5050UB club as of Saturday, coming from a Panasonic AE8000 in same screen. Finally got it all tuned in. Here’s a picture. 92 inch Carada cinema white screen. About 10ft away. The image is from Netflix 4K HDR Our Planet Episode 2
What’s your initial assessment of the 5050 over the 8000 in terms of brightness, contrast, color, sharpness, etc.? A comparison of these elements would be helpful/beneficial for those considering a possible upgrade. Also, comparing one of you favorite “quality” BR’s or 4K UHD’s would provide a better and consistent source than NF images.

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In the 5050UB club as of Saturday, coming from a Panasonic AE8000 in same screen. Finally got it all tuned in. Here’️s a picture. 92 inch Carada cinema white screen. About 10ft away. The image is from Netflix 4K HDR Our Planet Episode 2
What’️s your initial assessment of the 5050 over the 8000 in terms of brightness, contrast, color, sharpness, etc.? A comparison of these elements would be helpful/beneficial for those considering a possible upgrade. Also, comparing one of you favorite “quality” BR’️s or 4K UHD’️s would provide a better and consistent source than NF images.
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Hi. Can you advice me what settings should I use for MadVR settings for best hdr experience? I was using pass-through so far but read somewhere that a dynamic setting is better. Also I have noticed that 4:4:4 colour is better blacks compared to 4:2:2 set in control panel so I have to run 23Hz when watching movies. I have no idea how set up MadVR and hard to find info on the net for my 6050 projector. I have 150 inch screen so my peak nits at high lamp natural mode (this is how I watch) is around 100 I believe. Any advice will be much appreciated.
I have been learning to setup and use MadVR for some time and there can be a lot to learn lol. My recommendation is make sure you have a good GFX card (I ended up with nVidia 1070 for now) such as RTX2070S or higher if you want to use the higher setting options and search on YouTube where you will find some really good tutorials.

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Hi. Can you advice me what settings should I use for MadVR settings for best hdr experience? I was using pass-through so far but read somewhere that a dynamic setting is better. Also I have noticed that 4:4:4 colour is better blacks compared to 4:2:2 set in control panel so I have to run 23Hz when watching movies. I have no idea how set up MadVR and hard to find info on the net for my 6050 projector. I have 150 inch screen so my peak nits at high lamp natural mode (this is how I watch) is around 100 I believe. Any advice will be much appreciated.
The settings are individualized. Have to researcher.

These issues have been discussed, just look through the threads:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...thread-65.html

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...madvr-135.html
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Distance from ceiling mount

Hi, completely new to all this.
Trying to pick out ceiling mount. Thinking of going with the PCMD based on feedback here.
Using Epson's calculator it appears as though I should hang the projector 3'5" feet from ceiling.
Seems like a lot. Does that sound right? Am I doing this right?
Attaching a screen shot so you can see the measurements.
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Hi, completely new to all this.
Trying to pick out ceiling mount. Thinking of going with the PCMD based on feedback here.
Using Epson's calculator it appears as though I should hang the projector 3'5" feet from ceiling.
Seems like a lot. Does that sound right? Am I doing this right?
Attaching a screen shot so you can see the measurements.
Thanks.
After you input you setup (screen, distance, etc), at the bottom of the page there is a section called lens shift which will tell you how far up for example the projector can be placed:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ulator-pro.htm
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Hi, completely new to all this.
Trying to pick out ceiling mount. Thinking of going with the PCMD based on feedback here.
Using Epson's calculator it appears as though I should hang the projector 3'5" feet from ceiling.
Seems like a lot. Does that sound right? Am I doing this right?
Attaching a screen shot so you can see the measurements.
Thanks.

Basically, no - you're not doing it right. The Epson has a massive amount of vertical shift available, of which not much is needed with the measly 1 foot distance from the ceiling to the top of your screen. You can put your projector as close to the ceiling as you want.

Download the projector manual, and it shows you exactly what dimensions you can work with - this is one of the most accommodating projectors on the market as far as placement is concerned.

I haven't used Epson's online tool, but if you look at the left hand side of your screen shot it shows lens shift 'off'.

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Have anyone tried the new TERMINATOR DARK FATE movie with this projector?

There are some dark scenes when I almost thought there was something wrong with the projector.

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Can the bulbs be purchased without any housing so that I can save money? If so which bulbs do I need to purchase?

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Hi, completely new to all this.
Trying to pick out ceiling mount. Thinking of going with the PCMD based on feedback here.
Using Epson's calculator it appears as though I should hang the projector 3'5" feet from ceiling.
Seems like a lot. Does that sound right? Am I doing this right?
Attaching a screen shot so you can see the measurements.
Thanks.

Would you please share the link for Epson Calculator. Thanks.
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I cannot post links yet. But if google "epson screen calculator". Usaully first result.
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I have been learning to setup and use MadVR for some time and there can be a lot to learn lol. My recommendation is make sure you have a good GFX card (I ended up with nVidia 1070 for now) such as RTX2070S or higher if you want to use the higher setting options and search on YouTube where you will find some really good tutorials.
My HTPC is equipped with RTX2080 OC version and I5 8600k at 5Ghz so I believe that should be sufficient.

I have reviewed most of the quoted threats but couldn't find the answer to my question.
I have tried some of the suggested settings for 2160p hdr playback but they seem look not as good as just pastrough where Graphic card is set to 23Hz, 12bit, 4:4:4.

What I have noticed on 6050ub is that when it is set to 24Hz 4:4:4 12 bit it has better contrast and better black level in comparison to 60Hz 4:2:2 and 12 bit (the difference is subtle however for a trained eye is visible especially in the dark scenes). Not sure is this signal or projector itself which runs e-shift at higher frequency. I have noticed that many months ago already and since then always when watch movies switch to lower HZ and 4:4:4.

The problem is (which is not answered in the linked threats) that when i set it to 23hz 4:4:4 and in MadVr is set a dynamic tone mapping and also the highlight recovery strenght anything than none the movies are not smooth. I have tried multiple madVR options and it is always like that. When I switch to 60Hz (but then I have to use 4:2:2) then everything is smooth like it should be, but I lose the little bit better black level and contrast in the dark scenes (not sure everyone is able to notice the difference but I can). Did anyone experience that issue on Epson and is able to help me?

WHy Epson does not run smooth at 23Hz 4:4:4 12 bit signal with MadVR dynamic tone mapping and highlight recovery strenght set to anything else than none?

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I cannot post links yet. But if google "epson screen calculator". Usaully first result.
The reason I asked for the link, that my version of Calculator looks very simple almost stripped down. Are you using the Flash version perhaps? Thanks for responding.
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I have a question regards to the HDR button and its options.

Being new to HDR I have a lot of confusion. It seems there is no standard ? Unlike HD rec709?

I find that some movies look good at setting 1, while others look so washed out I need to step down to 7 or 8.

Why is this ? This also has me questioning on the proper way to calibrate for HDR.

What setting should I be in to calibrate ? Wont all levels, greyscale and color etc be off if I calibrate in HDR slider 1, but then have to step to HDR 8 to make a movie look right ?


When I test this via HCFR using i1 display pro it throws the delta E off for all colors.

Tha ms for any input in advance.
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What’s your initial assessment of the 5050 over the 8000 in terms of brightness, contrast, color, sharpness, etc.? A comparison of these elements would be helpful/beneficial for those considering a possible upgrade. Also, comparing one of you favorite “quality” BR’s or 4K UHD’s would provide a better and consistent source than NF images.
I went from the AE8000 to a 5040UB and there's seriously no comparison. It took me a long time to make the jump to the 5040UB because I was so happy with the 8000...but once I found a great deal on a used one and installed it I was kicking myself for not doing it sooner. Sold the 5040UB after about a month and just received the 5050UB. I don't have the screen shots but just the viewing quality was immediately noticed by my wife who really doesn't care about any of this stuff as long as its view-able. She was impressed.
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Hi, I'm new to this forum so sorry for just taking things off topic. I too own a Epson EH-TW9400 (Which is same as the 5050UB). I am facing a problem in aligning my projector with my screen. The problem I'm facing is that my screen is curved and because of this my image is not perfectly aligning with the screen's edges. Right now I have aligned the projector such that the upper edge of the image is perfectly aligned while the lower edge of the image is being projected on the frame of the screen kind off spilling below the lower frame. I'm new to this home theater world. And would love to know if its possible to somehow curve the projecting image to fit my screen. I have researched about software warp like immersaview and some other softwares but I want this to work with every device I use with my projector and not just my PC. Also can a anamorphic lens solve my problem.
My setup is as follows:-

Projector - Epson EH-TW9400
Projector Screen (Curved) (16:9)- 131"x74", 150"(Diagonally)
AVR - Denon X4500H
Speaker Systems (7.4.1) - Klipsch Reference Premier Series
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Hi, I'm new to this forum so sorry for just taking things off topic. I too own a Epson EH-TW9400 (Which is same as the 5050UB). I am facing a problem in aligning my projector with my screen. The problem I'm facing is that my screen is curved and because of this my image is not perfectly aligning with the screen's edges. Right now I have aligned the projector such that the upper edge of the image is perfectly aligned while the lower edge of the image is being projected on the frame of the screen kind off spilling below the lower frame. I'm new to this home theater world. And would love to know if its possible to somehow curve the projecting image to fit my screen. I have researched about software warp like immersaview and some other softwares but I want this to work with every device I use with my projector and not just my PC. Also can a anamorphic lens solve my problem.

My setup is as follows:-



Projector - Epson EH-TW9400

Projector Screen (Curved) (16:9)- 131"x74", 150"(Diagonally)

AVR - Denon X4500H

Speaker Systems (7.4.1) - Klipsch Reference Premier Series
When you say align, do you mean fit to only the screen without any overscan area or do you mean the image isn't clear everywhere, for example where the convergence is off. Two different issues.

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Hi, I'm new to this forum so sorry for just taking things off topic. I too own a Epson EH-TW9400 (Which is same as the 5050UB). I am facing a problem in aligning my projector with my screen. The problem I'm facing is that my screen is curved and because of this my image is not perfectly aligning with the screen's edges. Right now I have aligned the projector such that the upper edge of the image is perfectly aligned while the lower edge of the image is being projected on the frame of the screen kind off spilling below the lower frame. I'm new to this home theater world. And would love to know if its possible to somehow curve the projecting image to fit my screen. I have researched about software warp like immersaview and some other softwares but I want this to work with every device I use with my projector and not just my PC. Also can a anamorphic lens solve my problem.
My setup is as follows:-

Projector - Epson EH-TW9400
Projector Screen (Curved) (16:9)- 131"x74", 150"(Diagonally)
AVR - Denon X4500H
Speaker Systems (7.4.1) - Klipsch Reference Premier Series
Sounds like my issue, but my screen is flat. While my wall is very slightly out of plumb, that is not the problem. See, below. Can you post a picture?

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I have a question regards to the HDR button and its options.

Being new to HDR I have a lot of confusion. It seems there is no standard ? Unlike HD rec709?

I find that some movies look good at setting 1, while others look so washed out I need to step down to 7 or 8.

Why is this ? This also has me questioning on the proper way to calibrate for HDR.

What setting should I be in to calibrate ? Wont all levels, greyscale and color etc be off if I calibrate in HDR slider 1, but then have to step to HDR 8 to make a movie look right ?


When I test this via HCFR using i1 display pro it throws the delta E off for all colors.

Tha ms for any input in advance.
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Hi, I'm new to this forum so sorry for just taking things off topic. I too own a Epson EH-TW9400 (Which is same as the 5050UB). I am facing a problem in aligning my projector with my screen. The problem I'm facing is that my screen is curved and because of this my image is not perfectly aligning with the screen's edges. Right now I have aligned the projector such that the upper edge of the image is perfectly aligned while the lower edge of the image is being projected on the frame of the screen kind off spilling below the lower frame. I'm new to this home theater world. And would love to know if its possible to somehow curve the projecting image to fit my screen. I have researched about software warp like immersaview and some other softwares but I want this to work with every device I use with my projector and not just my PC. Also can a anamorphic lens solve my problem.
My setup is as follows:-

Projector - Epson EH-TW9400
Projector Screen (Curved) (16:9)- 131"x74", 150"(Diagonally)
AVR - Denon X4500H
Speaker Systems (7.4.1) - Klipsch Reference Premier Series
Projectors optics are designed for a flat screen. When you introduce a curved screen the center of the screen is farther away then the sides so the image is larger in the center creating what's called barrel distortion. An "A" lens generally creates a keystone distortion so it can off set the barrel distortion. Very expensive "A" lens can even adjust for this. So you either need an "A" lens or just live with it and have the black felt border absorb the over spill in the center. If you have a zero edge screen I could see where an "A" lens might be your only option. On some projectors this can often effect focus but not generally as most remain in focus regardless of throw distance.

EDIT: Curved screens look cool with the lights on but have virtually no practical effect on a 1.0 gain screen. On an ALR high gain screen they help eliminate hot spotting as the curve reflects the edges more towards the viewer so the angles are more efficient reducing the brighter spot typical in flat high gain screens

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My HTPC is equipped with RTX2080 OC version and I5 8600k at 5Ghz so I believe that should be sufficient.

The problem is (which is not answered in the linked threats) that when i set it to 23hz 4:4:4 and in MadVr is set a dynamic tone mapping and also the highlight recovery strenght anything than none the movies are not smooth. I have tried multiple madVR options and it is always like that. When I switch to 60Hz (but then I have to use 4:2:2) then everything is smooth like it should be, but I lose the little bit better black level and contrast in the dark scenes (not sure everyone is able to notice the difference but I can). Did anyone experience that issue on Epson and is able to help me?

WHy Epson does not run smooth at 23Hz 4:4:4 12 bit signal with MadVR dynamic tone mapping and highlight recovery strenght set to anything else than none?
I would recommend asking in the official support forum, lots of great people there can help you I am sure
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Have anyone tried the new TERMINATOR DARK FATE movie with this projector?

There are some dark scenes when I almost thought there was something wrong with the projector.
Just got that movie and will be watching tomorrow. What was the issue, can you explain in more detail and which scene(s) #?

I only have 120 hrs on my unit but was planning to do some DIY calibration this weekend. The out of the box settings have been great so far on the default digital cinema mode.

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Fair warning! HDR with a pj is a rabbit hole, both delightful and frustrating.

We thankfully have the option of adjusting the hdr slider as there is still no universal standard for what studios master hdr peak brightness/nits to. (Which gave rise to tone mapping displays and mastering titles with dynamic metadata such as Dolby Vision and HDR10+.)

Our projectors don't have the capability to perform well with high nit content like a TV would, so we have a hdr slider to help compensate for the different contents nit level. Some movies can be on the high side being mastered at 4000 nits, others could be as low as 400 nits. The HDR spec officially allows up to a searing peak of 10,000 nits! Rec709 is mastered to a peak of 100 nits.

Because of the different mastering levels, many projector users implement some form of tone mapping to help balance high nit level content. There are hardware and windows software options to help us get the max performance and image quality out of our content and projectors. Luckily there are lots of forums discussions on these topics.

I too tried calibrating with hcfr and calman with the same meter, and I too walked away with a mess... Most people seem to use a SDR calibration as a base and adjust for p3 or 2020. For discs I've had the best luck with ripping and using MadVR tone mapping on my pc, and for streaming adding a Vertex has happily opened some locked doors as I usually prefer LLDV tone mapping from apps.

Like I said, it's a rabbit hole and depends how critical you want to be with your content.

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Fair warning! HDR with a pj is a rabbit hole, both delightful and frustrating.

We thankfully have the option of adjusting the hdr slider as there is still no universal standard for what studios master hdr peak brightness/nits to. (Which gave rise to tone mapping displays and mastering titles with dynamic metadata such as Dolby Vision and HDR10+.)

Our projectors don't have the capability to perform well with high nit content like a TV would, so we have a hdr slider to help compensate for the different contents nit level. Some movies can be on the high side being mastered at 4000 nits, others could be as low as 400 nits. The HDR spec officially allows up to a searing peak of 10,000 nits! Rec709 is mastered to a peak of 100 nits.

Because of the different mastering levels, many projector users implement some form of tone mapping to help balance high nit level content. There are hardware and windows software options to help us get the max performance and image quality out of our content and projectors. Luckily there are lots of forums discussions on these topics.

I too tried calibrating with hcfr and calman with the same meter, and I too walked away with a mess... Most people seem to use a SDR calibration as a base and adjust for p3 or 2020. For discs I've had the best luck with ripping and using MadVR tone mapping on my pc, and for streaming adding a Vertex has happily opened some locked doors as I usually prefer LLDV tone mapping from apps.

Like I said, it's a rabbit hole and depends how critical you want to be with your content.

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Could not agree more. I actually would like if the projector would allow an option to force SDR and avoid the HDR complications. Since the brightness on projectors aren't as strong, it makes the issue worse as you mentioned and it really is a poor user experience switching between sources and content.

If anyone has ideas on how to force SDR I would like to know. I actually miss having a 4K->1080p adapter I used previously with my old projector that forced SDR as well making all content at least consistent.

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