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ok thanks. mine are 25 ft. tried a couple monoprice certified premium cables already but unfortunately i can’t shorten them much. got one other bluerigger i can try...

what cable would you guys recommend? surely fiber optic isn’t necessary for 25 feet...
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ok thanks. mine are 25 ft. tried a couple monoprice certified premium cables already but unfortunately i can’t shorten them much. got one other bluerigger i can try...



what cable would you guys recommend? surely fiber optic isn’t necessary for 25 feet...
You can keep trying other cables and maybe they will work. Many people have had success with Blue Jeans cables and the 5050. Personally I would just get the RUIPRO fiber optic cable from Amazon and call it a day.

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Getting 4k 60hz to 6050ub

For those of you with a receiver/processor that doesn’t support 18gbps hdmi, and need to send 4k 60hz to the Epson, what is the most affordable and reliable hdmi splitter you would recommend? I need something for a PS4 since my Lyngdorf MP-50 is not compatible with 18Gbps HDMI. I’ve heard of HD Fury but they have so many models I don’t know where to start. Thanks in advance for any advice.
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For those of you with a receiver/processor that doesn’t support 18gbps hdmi, and need to send 4k 60hz to the Epson, what is the most affordable and reliable hdmi splitter you would recommend? I need something for a PS4 since my Lyngdorf MP-50 is not compatible with 18Gbps HDMI. I’ve heard of HD Fury but they have so many models I don’t know where to start. Thanks in advance for any advice.

This has worked well for me:

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For those of you with a receiver/processor that doesn’t support 18gbps hdmi, and need to send 4k 60hz to the Epson, what is the most affordable and reliable hdmi splitter you would recommend? I need something for a PS4 since my Lyngdorf MP-50 is not compatible with 18Gbps HDMI. I’ve heard of HD Fury but they have so many models I don’t know where to start. Thanks in advance for any advice.

This one was perfect for me.. It has a dedicated audio out HDMI so I get full high res audio, plus the maximum benefit from the video side.

It’s nice to get both edid... very reliable too.


XOLORspace 23421 HDMI 2.0 4X2 HDMI Matrix switcher Select Any one of Four HDR HDMI Input to one HDR HDMI Output and one HDMI Output for Audio only Supports 4k 60hz 4:4:4 8 bit HDR w/ARC SPDIF https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H25VVFV..._ffbFEbJPT3YDZ


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ok thanks. mine are 25 ft. tried a couple monoprice certified premium cables already but unfortunately i can’t shorten them much. got one other bluerigger i can try...



what cable would you guys recommend? surely fiber optic isn’t necessary for 25 feet...
Get a Blue Jeans cable. They are priced reasonably, and work flawlessly with the 5050. Trust me, you don't need to spend $100 for a cable. I've tried a bunch of different cables that were anywhere from $40, all the way up to $120. I spent like $60 on a 35ft Blue Jeans cable, and it ended up being the best one I tried. Get the Series 3 Active.

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This one was perfect for me.. It has a dedicated audio out HDMI so I get full high res audio, plus the maximum benefit from the video side.

It’s nice to get both edid... very reliable too.


XOLORspace 23421 HDMI 2.0 4X2 HDMI Matrix switcher Select Any one of Four HDR HDMI Input to one HDR HDMI Output and one HDMI Output for Audio only Supports 4k 60hz 4:4:4 8 bit HDR w/ARC SPDIF https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H25VVFV..._ffbFEbJPT3YDZ


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Thanks! What is benefit of edid?
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Thanks! What is benefit of edid?

The benefit is I can get both the highest video formats my projector supports and the highest audio formats my receiver supports.

It works like when I used to have a Lumagen.


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ok thanks. mine are 25 ft. tried a couple monoprice certified premium cables already but unfortunately i can’t shorten them much. got one other bluerigger i can try...

what cable would you guys recommend? surely fiber optic isn’t necessary for 25 feet...
Optical HDMI is best even at 25ft, I'm willing to bet that your issue is HDMI related and frankly if you get yours from Amazon if it doesn't cure it you can return it not harm done.

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[quote=ckronengold;58999918]Ok. Glad I'm not alone. Maybe I'll just give up on trying to solve this riddle.[/quote @ckronengold Did you ever figure this out? I'm still having power off issues with my Harmony.

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For all you guys with first hand experience, as someone who owns an HD Fury with a 5040, what benefits will i get from the 5050ub in regards to HDR and 4K gaming on xbox x and ps4 pro etc? IT cost me like 1000$ to upgrade so trying to see if there is enough benefit
i have the 5040 and the hdfury. With the 5050 you do no need the hdfury. edit set to extended and range set (15 to 235) you can pretty much play all formats even-though the projector breaks it back down to 4.2.0 anyway.(the raw signal) 24?hz and 59?hz sdr.hdr and hlg hdr 8 10 and 12 bit. great for streaming and game console.Also you can stay in reference mode all day as picture not as dark as the 5040. With the 5040 the best was 422 at 10bit at 30hz none hdr and 24hz with. 420 8bit hdr with lots of banning streaming.
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i have the 5040 and the hdfury. With the 5050 you do no need the hdfury. edit set to extended and range set (15 to 235) you can pretty much play all formats even-though the projector breaks it back down to 4.2.0 anyway.(the raw signal) 24?hz and 59?hz sdr.hdr and hlg hdr 8 10 and 12 bit. great for streaming and game console.Also you can stay in reference mode all day as picture not as dark as the 5040. With the 5040 the best was 422 at 10bit at 30hz none hdr and 24hz with. 420 8bit hdr with lots of banning streaming.
What's banning streaming?
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What's banning streaming?
Sorry just took it for granted.When you stream from device like a ruko 4k and your signal is only 4.2.0. 8 bit and you get a picture of the sky that goes from light light blue to dark blue and you see steps in the color.(less information in the signal compared to 4.4.4 12 bit more information in the signal). The 5050 core processor is a 10bit chip not as good as some high end chips found in sony..... but good enough to get the job done. TYPO banning banding.

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Good afternoon everyone! I'm taking advantage of my at home time right now, and working on setting up my 6050ub this weekend for the initial hookup.


I'm wondering if there is an initial recommended settings thread (I don't see it here), or if it's just best to follow the manual? This is my first projector and I have a lot to learn, but hoping to take some time this weekend and at least get it working so I can start viewing next week!



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Sorry just took it for granted.When you stream from device like a ruko 4k and your signal is only 4.2.0. 8 bit and you get a picture of the sky that goes from light light blue to dark blue and you see steps in the color.(less information in the signal compared to 4.4.4 12 bit more information in the signal). The 5050 core processor is a 10bit chip not as good as some high end chips found in sony..... but good enough to get the job done.
You mean banding?

Does it happen every time with smooth colors/sky's when in 8 bit?
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You mean banding?

Does it happen every time with smooth colors/sky's when in 8 bit?
With all colors that go from light to dark.When streaming compression in the signal is greater with less bits more information applied to moving parts of the picture and less to static parts like the sky. With a blue ray player you get all the signal no compression less artifacts like banding and others. No not all the time but when your contend goes over the 8bit threshold.
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Ok. Glad I'm not alone. Maybe I'll just give up on trying to solve this riddle.[/quote @ckronengold Did you ever figure this out? I'm still having power off issues with my Harmony.

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@biglen - I figured it out for myself, but not anything that would help someone just using the harmony.

I'm using Harmony with Google Assistant and a Hubitat home automation controller. I create a "virtual switch" on Hubitat that Google can toggle on and off. Then I used that virtual switch to run the Power Off routine. Then I followed it with an additional Power Off.

So my full Hubitat routine looks like this:

Select Actions for "Theater Off"

Turn On: Basement Stairs Lights (turns on stair lights for leaving the basement)
Delay 0:00:01
Turn Off: Theater Harmony Hub-PowerOff (this is the regular power off routine on the harmony)
Delay 0:00:03
Turn Off: Projector UpDown (raises the projector back into the ceiling)
Delay 0:00:03
Turn Off: Theater Harmony Hub-PowerOff (SECOND POWER OFF ROUTINE)
Turn Off: Basement Lights - Back --> delayed: 0:00:30 (turn off basement lights in 30 seconds)
Turn Off: Basement Lights - Front --> delayed: 0:01:00 (turn off other basement lights in a minute)
Turn Off: Screen LEDs (turn off the LEDs behind the screen)
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Hello hope everyone is doing well and prey for lost ones.last night i decided to play some 1080p blue rays as i want to down size my rack. A panny 420 and older 900 also sony x700. Thinking i could just pick the best(there can only be one!) but as it turns out it might be 2.the sony with up conversion to 4k looked terrible but with it turned off looked better more natural with deeper blacks than the up conversion on the panny 420. also as a plus fi on norm does not look too soap opera like.(i do not like frame interpolation of any kind).to me this really competes with some of my best 4k blue rays and shows how good the up conversion in the 5050. the 900 panny should out play the sony on paper at 1080p i only trust my eyes not the specs i will test later. so in the end i will put all my dvds in box and make room for my new love blue rays!
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Just to confirm, there is no auto focus feature on the 5050?
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Hello all. I just bought a 5050UB last week. It's great having a projector again; I had a Sanyo PLV-Z4 back in the late 2000s. So far I love it.

I do have two things that are annoying; the PJ seems to want to switch inputs as soon as a device comes on. I'm on HDMI1 with my HTPC and I hit the power for my Bluray player and bam, now the PJ goes to HDMI2 automatically. Irritating as I wasn't ready to switch yet. Is there a way to shut that off?

Second, does anyone else have a problem with the projector not properly remembering lens settings? I have a 127" scope screen, using lens memory to do CIH. I have memory 1 for 2.35:1 and memory 2 for 1.78:1. I have the 1.78:1 perfectly fit on the screen then save it. The next day I'm watching a scope movie and I switch back to HTPC so I hit memory 2 and it gets almost perfect, except it's about an inch too low. Has anyone else seen behavior like that? Is there a fix?

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Hello all. I just bought a 5050UB last week. It's great having a projector again; I had a Sanyo PLV-Z4 back in the late 2000s. So far I love it.



I do have two things that are annoying; the PJ seems to want to switch inputs as soon as a device comes on. I'm on HDMI1 with my HTPC and I hit the power for my Bluray player and bam, now the PJ goes to HDMI2 automatically. Irritating as I wasn't ready to switch yet. Is there a way to shut that off?



Second, does anyone else have a problem with the projector not properly remembering lens settings? I have a 127" scope screen, using lens memory to do CIH. I have memory 1 for 2.35:1 and memory 2 for 1.78:1. I have the 1.78:1 perfectly fit on the screen then save it. The next day I'm watching a scope movie and I switch back to HTPC so I hit memory 2 and it gets almost perfect, except it's about an inch too low. Has anyone else seen behavior like that? Is there a fix?



Thanks!
Turn off HDMI CEC control that should fix the inputs/power issue

Lens memory isn't perfect on the Epson, it needs a little extra effort. Think about how far off it is when going between lens settings and compensate so that it aligns properly when using the lens setting to go back and forth, not what you see while setting the lens position. For example, move it more to the right than necessary if you notice it isn't quite fitting properly so that it does, there is a little wiggle room you will have to play with going back and forth until you get it.

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Correct, no auto focus. You have to manually focus it, but once you do, you shouldn't have to touch it again, unless the distance between your 5050 and screen change.

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@biglen - I figured it out for myself, but not anything that would help someone just using the harmony.



I'm using Harmony with Google Assistant and a Hubitat home automation controller. I create a "virtual switch" on Hubitat that Google can toggle on and off. Then I used that virtual switch to run the Power Off routine. Then I followed it with an additional Power Off.



So my full Hubitat routine looks like this:



Select Actions for "Theater Off"



Turn On: Basement Stairs Lights (turns on stair lights for leaving the basement)

Delay 0:00:01

Turn Off: Theater Harmony Hub-PowerOff (this is the regular power off routine on the harmony)

Delay 0:00:03

Turn Off: Projector UpDown (raises the projector back into the ceiling)

Delay 0:00:03

Turn Off: Theater Harmony Hub-PowerOff (SECOND POWER OFF ROUTINE)

Turn Off: Basement Lights - Back --> delayed: 0:00:30 (turn off basement lights in 30 seconds)

Turn Off: Basement Lights - Front --> delayed: 0:01:00 (turn off other basement lights in a minute)

Turn Off: Screen LEDs (turn off the LEDs behind the screen)
Thanks. I have it narrowed down to it only happening when I use my PS4. For some reason, if I power off the PS4, which I have to do with the PS4 controller, since my Harmony won't control it, then I hit the power off all, the 5050 struggles to power off. If I hit the power off all with the PS4 still on, then the 5050 powers off immediately. I can't figure out why it would be different when the PS4 is off or on.

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Thanks. I have it narrowed down to it only happening when I use my PS4. For some reason, if I power off the PS4, which I have to do with the PS4 controller, since my Harmony won't control it, then I hit the power off all, the 5050 struggles to power off. If I hit the power off all with the PS4 still on, then the 5050 powers off immediately. I can't figure out why it would be different when the PS4 is off or on.

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I wonder why the Epson struggles with devices that are turned off first? The "no signal" must be throwing it off for some reason.

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I think it has something to do with the Bluetooth keyboard that is used for those devices versus IR to control Nvidia shield and Playstation 4

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I desperately need a new pj and had to decide between the JVC NX 5/7 or the 6050UB. 

I ended up buying the Epson 6050UB (TW9400) instead of a JVC NX5/7 because it is brighter, cheaper lamp & fits our needs and non dedicated HT multi purpose, non "bat cave" room better than the NX series without $$$ breaking the bank  

I ordered the Epson 6050UB over a month ago, but because of the "coronavirus" delivery got pushed back to ...?  Anyway, I  finally got word from my authorized Epson dealer that it is finally in route and he will hand deliver it sometime this week. 

This is a my dilemma/problem: Because we have been ordered to "shelter in place" due to the CV, my dealer can't/won't come in and install our new 6050UB because he is in the high risk age group (as am I). That's not a big deal, I can hang it, however he was going to also "align the panels", check/align the pj's "uniformity" and do an "initial calibration" before the CV messed everything up. Anyway,  I've never done any of this before. 

Does anyone have any tips on "aligning" the red and blue panels, and on checking/correcting picture "uniformity on the Epson 6050UB/5050UB (9400/7400)? 

Most important question: I  have a 100 inch 16/9, 1.2 gain ALR STEWART Firehawk SST screen. My ceiling mounted Epson 6050UB will be a little over 12 feet throw distance from the screen. 

Does anyone  have any HDR, SDR settings/calibration advice you have found that works well that you can give me? 

Do you know where I can find any "custom settings" for the 6050UB/9400 that others have created? I know they are probably posted somewhere, but the owner thread posts are enormous and I have no idea where to find these answers.

Or any free online calibration programs/tools that would prove helpful? I can't afford a new Speers and Muncile UHD calibration disk at the moment. All I have is a rudimentary calibration program on a Disney Blu-ray disk.

If so, I would greatly appreciate it if you could share them with me because I have no idea how long we will be in "shelter in place" lock down, and since we don't have a TV, the projector is our only form of entertainment and I would like it to perform as well as possible under these trying circumstances in light of not being able to have our new Epson 6050UB professionally calibrated. 

Feel free to PM me, or post your answers. I look forward to your reply and thanks in advance for your help and guidance regarding the above. 

Everyone please take care and stay safe. 

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^The combination of Room, Screen and Projector will require a completely different set of calibrations so bottom line is using another persons settings will not be right and in most case be less accurate than you using your Disney disc.

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I just wanted to post pictures of my new home theater room that's almost complete. HVAC guy did piss me off in the beginning because the air vent was originally going to be on the screen wall, thankfully I was able to catch that in time and have him move it. The paint color is ROSCO TV BLACK, it really was like painting on tar. Now that its dry, there is a funky smell, I will probably buy some glade plug ins to mask the smell. I am doing a 7.2 system with Def Tech fronts and Polk Audio surrounds. My subs are Martin Logan wireless with my Yamaha RXA 3050, Oppo 203, and Roku 4K Ultra. I am going to use an old dark brown sectional couch for my seating on the first and second rows. All that is left is to buy the screen which I'm getting a Silver Ticket 125" 2.35:1 white from amazon, the HDMI fiber optic cable, 5050UB and professional installation. What sucks though is now my wife is on furlough, fingers crossed her position won't be axed, we lost her income, so spending $4k right now might not be the smartest thing to do. I work in a bank and we have a pretty good Visa promo with 23 months 0%apr, so that is an option. We will see.............once I'm done, I will post the finished pictures
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