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Wink I guess I saw this at just the right time.

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Sold! Only one left now...

Even though my 5050 is white (arriving tomorrow!), and this mount is black (arriving next Wednesday), this was too good a deal to pass up. Too much bragging going on about the Chief mounts.

Have... To... Stop... Spending... Money...

Not anymore there's not....

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Sold! Only one left now...

Even though my 5050 is white (arriving tomorrow!), and this mount is black (arriving next Wednesday), this was too good a deal to pass up. Too much bragging going on about the Chief mounts.

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Not anymore there's not....
Nice way to grab the last one. Amazing mount.
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I asked this on the 5040 thread but no responses. Can the 5040/6040 play at 60fps? Or do I have to step up to the 5050/6050?

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Nice way to grab the last one. Amazing mount.
Thanks!

I have a few projectors and my 5050UB is hanging from a lesser Chief model as we speak. I had looked at this mount when my JVC 4K (shift) was delivered but since I had others and the price was >$300 I figured I would do with what I had. At this price though, I couldn't resist. In fact, had there been 2 available I think I would have purchased both.

This is the most expensive forum I am a member of....
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Thanks!

I have a few projectors and my 5050UB is hanging from a lesser Chief model as we speak. I had looked at this mount when my JVC 4K (shift) was delivered but since I had others and the price was >$300 I figured I would do with what I had. At this price though, I couldn't resist. In fact, had there been 2 available I think I would have purchased both.

This is the most expensive forum I am a member of....
This was by far the lowest price I have ever seen for this specific mount. With you having multiple projectors and if they are hung at the same time I could see you wanting to buy more than one.
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I asked this on the 5040 thread but no responses. Can the 5040/6040 play at 60fps? Or do I have to step up to the 5050/6050?
The 5040/6040 is unable to support 4K/60FPS . The 5050/6050 does. HDMI 2.0 support allows gamers to play 4K/60p games with HDR. The 5050/6050 fully supports 4K HDR at 60 Hz with up to 4:4:4 (uncompressed) chroma subsampling at 8 bits, or 4:2:2 with 10- or 12-bit processing.
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Thanks!

I have a few projectors and my 5050UB is hanging from a lesser Chief model as we speak. I had looked at this mount when my JVC 4K (shift) was delivered but since I had others and the price was >$300 I figured I would do with what I had. At this price though, I couldn't resist. In fact, had there been 2 available I think I would have purchased both.

This is the most expensive forum I am a member of....
Not unexpected! The price of admission for frequenting this forum!
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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $135 free shipping coming from California. Amazing projector mount.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHF45...B/233201653020
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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $149 free shipping. Amazing projector mount. Found another great deal for a fellow AVS Forum member.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHIEF...G/223527009281
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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $135 free shipping coming from California. Amazing projector mount.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHF45...B/233201653020
I have never used a mount. What makes this mount so special? Thanks

Nevermind I just read through page 50.

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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $149 free shipping. Amazing projector mount. Found another great deal for a fellow AVS Forum member.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHIEF...G/223527009281
Does this mount fit other projectors also or will it only support the Epson projectors? Thanks!!
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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $135 free shipping coming from California. Amazing projector mount.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHF45...B/233201653020
I have never used a mount. What makes this mount so special? Thanks

Nevermind I just read through page 50.
Chief’s 4000/4500 sets the industry standard for projector mounts with exclusive features that save time on installation and servicing. Bundled with ceiling accessories and a custom interface bracket, the convenient projector mount kit makes it even easier to achieve a simple and sleek installation. Centris&#x00ae;&#xfe0f; technology — enables effortless fingertip positioning and self-adjusts to support different projector weights Microzone&#x2122;&#xfe0f; adjustments — make projector registration fast and precise Q-Lock&#x2122;&#xfe0f; quick release lever — provides fast connect/disconnect of the projector for service and enhanced security with an integrated key and lock system.

This is the first projector I was able to get the image perfectly aligned with my screen. I was able to get it where no one but me would notice the .0001 of an inch the projected image was misaligned horizontally with my screen but my OCD would kick in from time to time and I would wind up worse than before I tried to get it perfect. Now it just is and aligned with such ease. This is my fifth projector in the last 15 years and the first one that is perfectly aligned.
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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $149 free shipping. Amazing projector mount. Found another great deal for a fellow AVS Forum member.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHIEF...G/223527009281
Does this mount fit other projectors also or will it only support the Epson projectors? Thanks!!
I have only used it on Epson projectors but is my understanding it works for other brands as well.

Here is a tool that might help confirm

https://www.legrandav.com/tools_and_...s/mount_finder
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GREAT DEAL ON CHIEF 4500 BLACK MOUNT for EPSON 5050/6050.

Usually $300 this one is brand new in box for $149 free shipping. Amazing projector mount. Found another great deal for a fellow AVS Forum member.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/EPSON-CHIEF...G/223527009281
Does this mount fit other projectors also or will it only support the Epson projectors? Thanks!!
I have only used it on Epson projectors but is my understanding it works for other brands as well.

Here is a tool that might help confirm

https://www.legrandav.com/tools_and_...s/mount_finder
The mount itself is universal but each projector has a different mounting pattern of screw holes so you would probably need a different Chief custom interface bracket that matches your projector unless the screw mounting pattern happens to be identical to the Epson 5050/6050.
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Chief’s 4000/4500 sets the industry standard for projector mounts with exclusive features that save time on installation and servicing. Bundled with ceiling accessories and a custom interface bracket, the convenient projector mount kit makes it even easier to achieve a simple and sleek installation. Centris&#x00ae;&#xfe0f; technology — enables effortless fingertip positioning and self-adjusts to support different projector weights Microzone&#x2122;&#xfe0f; adjustments — make projector registration fast and precise Q-Lock&#x2122;&#xfe0f; quick release lever — provides fast connect/disconnect of the projector for service and enhanced security with an integrated key and lock system.

This is the first projector I was able to get the image perfectly aligned with my screen. I was able to get it where no one but me would notice the .0001 of an inch the projected image was misaligned horizontally with my screen but my OCD would kick in from time to time and I would wind up worse than before I tried to get it perfect. Now it just is and aligned with such ease. This is my fifth projector in the last 15 years and the first one that is perfectly aligned.
It's funny I never thought about the difficulties people have with upside down projectors. Mine has always been in a cubby right side up. Thanks for the response
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I asked this on the 5040 thread but no responses. Can the 5040/6040 play at 60fps? Or do I have to step up to the 5050/6050?
The 5040/6040 supports 4K 60fps at 8-bit 4:2:0.
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Does this mount fit other projectors also or will it only support the Epson projectors? Thanks!!
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I have only used it on Epson projectors but is my understanding it works for other brands as well.

Here is a tool that might help confirm

https://www.legrandav.com/tools_and_...s/mount_finder
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The mount itself is universal but each projector has a different mounting pattern of screw holes so you would probably need a different Chief custom interface bracket that matches your projector unless the screw mounting pattern happens to be identical to the Epson 5050/6050.
The mount is comprised of two components...(1) the RPA piece which is the primary component containing all the adjustment parameters (yaw, pitch, and roll) and (2) the custom SLB bracket (in the case of the 5040/5050 = SLB357)which is specific and unique to each projector and mates to the RPA. While the RPA component always stays, a unique SLB bracket is available for literally any projector. In the past, it was necessary to specify a projector model so the retail/dealer could determine which SLB bracket to provide. Apparently now, when a projector is specified, the correct two components are bundled with a unique identifier...i.e CHF 4000 or CHF 4500 etc.

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The mount itself is universal but each projector has a different mounting pattern of screw holes so you would probably need a different Chief custom interface bracket that matches your projector unless the screw mounting pattern happens to be identical to the Epson 5050/6050.
The mount is comprised of two components...(1) the RPA piece which is the primary component containing all the adjustment parameters (yaw, pitch, and roll) and (2) the custom SLB bracket which is specific and unique to each projector mates to the RPA. While the RPA component always stays, a unique SLB bracket is available for literally any projector.
Thank you @gene4ht for your much better and eloquent explanation of how most Chief mounts work. You have a remarkable talent for taking a complex subject and using words to simplify the topic. Thank you. Can you explain what RPA and SLB stands for in regards to the projector mount? Thanks in advance for your assistance.
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It's funny I never thought about the difficulties people have with upside down projectors. Mine has always been in a cubby right side up. Thanks for the response
The PJ/screen alignment problem is not exclusive to a ceiling mounted PJ. Shelf and other hard surface "right side up" projectors, more often than not have to resort to using picture distorting PJ/lens adjustments to align the image with the screen because it's impossible to vertically and horizontally align the fixed surface the PJ is sitting on perfectly with the screen. That's where ONLY the "yaw, pitch, and roll" adjustments gene4ht talks about in his post above provides what no "fixed" hard surface or shelf mount can. I'm sure " yaw, pitch, and roll" tables or shelves exist for folks who place their PJs right-side-up on a hard surface such as you describe. That would be a much better option than making image and lens adjustments to align the thrown picture perfectly with the screen.

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The PJ/screen alignment problem is not exclusive to a ceiling mounted PJ. Shelf and other hard surface "right side up" projectors, more often than not have to resort to using picture distorting PJ/lens adjustments to align the image with the screen because it's impossible to vertically and horizontally align the fixed surface the PJ is sitting on perfectly with the screen.
Not sure about "impossible". Mine is flat surface mounted and it is perfectly aligned with no picture distortion adjustments.
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Not sure about "impossible". Mine is flat surface mounted and it is perfectly aligned with no picture distortion adjustments.
Yea I get what you are saying, but the probability of perfect on axis alignment of a hard surface and a screen "x" number of feet away is statistically nill....you are in the lucky minority. The point is; minimizing or eliminating alignment via the PJ/lens which will always compromise picture quality to some degree. Whether ceiling mounted or surface mounted, attaching a PJ to a three axis adjustable aparatice will eliminate most or often all alignment issues. It was invented to solve a problem...it works, it is what it is.

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Thank you @gene4ht for your much better and eloquent explanation of how most Chief mounts work. You have a remarkable talent for taking a complex subject and using words to simplify the topic. Thank you. Can you explain what RPA and SLB stands for in regards to the projector mount? Thanks in advance for your assistance.
LOL! Appreciate the kind remarks...but I can't take credit. I'm paraphrasing the information I gleaned from a Chief technical resource I spoke with a couple of years ago. And coincidentally, I asked the same question regarding the RPA/SLB acronyms. Unfortunately, Chief's sales/technical personnel were unable provide any explanation....hmmm. Thus, it remains a mystery...for the time being!

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Yea I get what you are saying, but the probability of perfect on axis alignment of a hard surface and a screen "x" number of feet away is statistically nill....you are in the lucky minority. The point is; minimizing or eliminating alignment via the PJ/lens which will always compromise picture quality to some degree. Whether ceiling mounted or surface mounted, attaching a PJ to a three axis adjustable aparatice will eliminate most or often all alignment issues. It was invented to solve a problem...it works, it is what it is.
What you wrote does make sense.... I have mine lined up pretty straight... but my 8500ub from 2009 has manual lens shift and there is no "hard" stopping points to tell you when your lens is perfectly center. I assume the newer models with motorized lens shift do have marked center points right?
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What you wrote does make sense.... I have mine lined up pretty straight... but my 8500ub from 2009 has manual lens shift and there is no "hard" stopping points to tell you when your lens is perfectly center. I assume the newer models with motorized lens shift do have marked center points right?
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What do you guys think the max screen size is for this PJ? I have a 177" wide 16:9 screen, gain should be around 1.0 (XYScreen SoundMax 4k) in a completely light controlled room with all dark surfaces (not Velvet but all dark). Throw range can be anywhere from 10 ft to 30 ft. Obviously light output for a screen that large is a concern but another is pixel fill, I wonder if I would notice clearly the 4 million vs 8 million. Oh and seating distance is 13 ft for the 'immersive' seating and 23' for normal viewing. I was planning on a HTPC with MadVR for HDR tone mapping. I was hoping to find a temporary stop gap while lasers and 4k become a lot more affordable in the next few years.
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not that I am aware of.
Well if thats true then how can you ever be certain your lens is centered?
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What do you guys think the max screen size is for this PJ? I have a 177" wide 16:9 screen, gain should be around 1.0 (XYScreen SoundMax 4k) in a completely light controlled room with all dark surfaces (not Velvet but all dark). Throw range can be anywhere from 10 ft to 30 ft. Obviously light output for a screen that large is a concern but another is pixel fill, I wonder if I would notice clearly the 4 million vs 8 million. Oh and seating distance is 13 ft for the 'immersive' seating and 23' for normal viewing. I was planning on a HTPC with MadVR for HDR tone mapping. I was hoping to find a temporary stop gap while lasers and 4k become a lot more affordable in the next few years.
Resolution is more of a personal thing as to whether or not you can notice smaller differences between 4MP and 8MP on-screen (I think a lot of people even struggle to notice 4K vs 1080P on more modest sized screens), but the bigger the screen and the closer you sit to it, the more noticeable it should be to the average person. In my opinion, people will notice better color and/or better contrast ratios before small resolution differences, but that is always subjective. The overwhelming consensus with these Epsons between forums and professional reviews seems to be that there is virtually no easily discernible difference between Epson's enhanced 'fake' 4K and native 4K, with the Epson sometimes even being perceived as sharper due to the processing. Sitting really close to an enormous screen though might change that, but you also need to spend several times the cost of the Epson to get native 4K with the same feature set and lens quality.

Epson lists the maximum image size at 300". Brightness will be determined by your room, your screen, lamp mode, mounting distance, your preferred content (P3 color modes and 3D glasses will cut brightness) etc. Using the calculator over at ProjectorCentral, a 177" screen would be no problem for it at all and minimum distance would be 17.4ft. Even moving back to 30ft you wouldn't take too bad of a brightness hit (29FL to 24FL according to the PC calculator).

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ulator-pro.htm


If this is simply a temporary solution for you, you might consider the 4010 model to save some money if you don't need 40K 60P HDR (gaming, mostly).
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Yea I get what you are saying, but the probability of perfect on axis alignment of a hard surface and a screen "x" number of feet away is statistically nill....you are in the lucky minority. The point is; minimizing or eliminating alignment via the PJ/lens which will always compromise picture quality to some degree. Whether ceiling mounted or surface mounted, attaching a PJ to a three axis adjustable aparatice will eliminate most or often all alignment issues. It was invented to solve a problem...it works, it is what it is.
I guess I'm confused. If you have a PJ with motorized lens shift, that is the same as using the mount to angle the projector up/down/left right. If your surface is within the height range covered by the motorized lens shift. Is this not the case? After that pitch/yaw can be done via the projector's feet, again within the correct range that allows for a rectangled image.
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not that I am aware of.
Well if thats true then how can you ever be certain your lens is centered?
Epson has a test pattern, same one from previous models.

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