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Is there a normal / acceptable / usual amount of dust or debris or whatnot on the lens of a projector?

I just turned on my new 5050 for the first time and was really shocked at what i saw on the lens. Its not on the surface, tried to blow some canned air from a distance, but nothing moved.

Before I flip out, is this just par for the course and not anything that can be seen in the image? I haven't even hooked up a source yet. Just turned it on and started losing my $h!t about the condition of the lens.
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Is there a normal / acceptable / usual amount of dust or debris or whatnot on the lens of a projector?

I just turned on my new 5050 for the first time and was really shocked at what i saw on the lens. Its not on the surface, tried to blow some canned air from a distance, but nothing moved.

Before I flip out, is this just par for the course and not anything that can be seen in the image? I haven't even hooked up a source yet. Just turned it on and started losing my $h!t about the condition of the lens.
Seems pretty normal and I am on my fifth projector in 15 years. You have a two year warranty so relax breathe and enjoy your view. Don't look at the lens look at the screen LOL. I wouldn't recommend shooting canned air at the projector under any circumstances. You are much more likely to do more harm than good.
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A better option than a mount. Easy to to remove and clean PJ and back up running in no time. Infact I mount the exact spots where there feets are on the shelf and I rarely need to re-align the screen. Which with the 5050ub is a non-issue, but my older PJs like my 8500ub it was nice. Someone ask me before what fiber optic HDMI cable I was using. Its a RUIPRO 50' cable and it is great it love's 40k60hz.lol
I am probably going to shelf mount. How difficult is it to align the projector sitting on its own feet versus hanging from a ceiling mount. I just caught up and saw that some claim that it's difficult to get perfect, and there is the concern about cleaning under the projector. I also wonder, since when it's sitting upright you have less downward lens shift, and I plan to have it high on a shelf to keep the fan noise away from me, won't I be using more of the extreme end of the lens shift?

Seems like a waste, but I guess I could use a mount within the shelf. It will be a custom built shelf.

How do you create a hush box with a projector like this where the fans are in the front?

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FINALLY!!!

The ProjectorReviews.com 5050 calibration settings have been posted:

https://www.projectorreviews.com/eps...tion-settings/

Thanks very much! Been waiting for these. Let the tinkering begin...
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Epson has a test pattern, same one from previous models.
Unless I am missing something (which could be the case) the test pattern will help you line up the screen but how does it help you center the lens on the machine?

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Best Buy has the 5050 $200 off again . Can't really beat that with the 24 month free financing.

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Unless I am missing something (which could be the case) the test pattern will help you line up the screen but how does it help you center the lens on the machine?
Yes, it puts up a blue and white grid, getting to corners straight is real challenge for me most of the time.

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Yes, it puts up a blue and white grid, getting to corners straight is real challenge for me most of the time.
right.... it helps you set up the screen... but it doesn't center the lens to the projector.

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Best Buy has the 5050 $200 off again . Can't really beat that with the 24 month free financing.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/epson-h...?skuId=6344895
Wish Best Buy Canada had this.
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FINALLY!!!

The ProjectorReviews.com 5050 calibration settings have been posted:

https://www.projectorreviews.com/eps...tion-settings/

Thanks very much! Been waiting for these. Let the tinkering begin...
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Didn’t like the bright HDR setting at all but this might suit someone else.
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The easiest way to find the center of the lens is to attach a wire to the upper right of the screen, then attach a pencil such that the pencil is about where the projector will be and draw an arc. Take the wire and attach it to the upper left and draw a second arc (the two arcs should intersect). Now make the wire a few inches longer or shorter and repeat the arc from the upper left and then the upper right. You should now have two sets of intersecting arcs. Draw a line between the two points and that is the center line of the lens.
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The easiest way to find the center of the lens is to attach a wire to the upper right of the screen, then attach a pencil such that the pencil is about where the projector will be and draw an arc. Take the wire and attach it to the upper left and draw a second arc (the two arcs should intersect). Now make the wire a few inches longer or shorter and repeat the arc from the upper left and then the upper right. You should now have two sets of intersecting arcs. Draw a line between the two points and that is the center line of the lens.
Why not just go to the extreme left lens shift and make a mark on the wall where the left side of the projected image is. Then go to the extreme right lens shift and mark the rightmost edge of the screen on the wall. Measure the distance between the two marks, and then mark the halfway point. KISS
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Why not just go to the extreme left lens shift and make a mark on the wall where the left side of the projected image is. Then go to the extreme right lens shift and mark the rightmost edge of the screen on the wall. Measure the distance between the two marks, and then mark the halfway point. KISS

That assumes that the PJ is at the correct position opposite the mid point of the screen and is square to the screen. Even if at the right place but not square to the screen that could give a hafway point that isn't actually at a point on the PJ/screen perpendicular line.
I think it needs the physical measuring as noted by bitmap42 to get the PJ position right. Then square it up as close as possible. Then using the pattern with the left/right max extent can establish the 'middle' lens shift position, the 'unshifted' position.
Then with it 'unshifted' twist the PJ to get the pattern to line up with the mid-point of the screen.


We are now pretty much square, so repeat the left/right max extent procedure to fine-tune the 'unshifted' mid point, and realign with that as the current setting.
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I am probably going to shelf mount. How difficult is it to align the projector sitting on its own feet versus hanging from a ceiling mount. I just caught up and saw that some claim that it's difficult to get perfect, and there is the concern about cleaning under the projector. I also wonder, since when it's sitting upright you have less downward lens shift, and I plan to have it high on a shelf to keep the fan noise away from me, won't I be using more of the extreme end of the lens shift?

Seems like a waste, but I guess I could use a mount within the shelf. It will be a custom built shelf.

How do you create a hush box with a projector like this where the fans are in the front?

I have 9" ceilings so it sits nice and high on the ceiling. The combination of a high ceilings and an open box mount is that even in high lamp mode the fan noise is muted nicely, with great airflow! I repeat fan noise is nicely muted. With a regular mount, you get way more noise.

My friend saw my 5050 and he bought one the next day to replace an Optoma UHD60 DLP, but with a ceiling mount and we both noticed the noise difference, in fact I now "have to" do the box for him....LOL

It also hides how large the projector really is (but I don't care about that nonsense)

Also lets say your screen is not perfectly level on the wall, you can use the projector feet for easy alignment

As with all my Epson's this has an insane amount of len shifts so no concern there. (DLP manufacturers are you listening...lol)

Best part as I mention before cleaning and remounting, takes no time

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Hey how are you? i just wanted to request your opinion on something if it's okay with you please, i'm currently debating between the epson 4010 and the 5050. The 4010 is perfect for me except just one thing, 4k hdr gaming. Which is available on the 5050 due to the hdmi but not on the 4010. This is literally the only thing that's concerning me right now, since im personally not interested in any other improvements which come with the 5050. So i wanted to ask your opinion since you seem like the right person to ask, since i see you've had the 5040 (which has the hdmi shortcoming just like the 4010), you've also had the linker on the 5040, and you now have the 5050. i'd really appreciate your opinion.
the questions i wanted to ask you are:
1. How big was the improvement in quality from the 5040 4k sdr gaming, to the 5040 4k hdr gaming with the linker?
2. How big was the improvement in quality from the 5040 4k hdr gaming with the linker, to the 5050 4k hdr gaming without linker?
i hope to also learn from this whether the hdr capabilities added by the linker are really at the same level, and really improve the picture just as much as actual hdr on a capable display like the 5050.

Lastly, im not fascinated by 4k hdr gaming just to get to see that 'im playing in 4k hdr', but its just in order to get the better picture quality, so with that being said would you say that for someone like me, for whom the 4010 is perfect in every other way, would it really be worth spending all that extra money for the 5050 JUST to get games in 4k hdr over 4k sdr on the 4010? (Purely in terms of picture quality)

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Just jumping in here, I have the 4010 and just upgraded to 5050. Picture quality and HDR are definitely worth the Money. 5050 looks amazing with hdr. You will not regret getting it. IMHO
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That assumes that the PJ is at the correct position opposite the mid point of the screen and is square to the screen. Even if at the right place but not square to the screen that could give a hafway point that isn't actually at a point on the PJ/screen perpendicular line.
I think it needs the physical measuring as noted by bitmap42 to get the PJ position right. Then square it up as close as possible. Then using the pattern with the left/right max extent can establish the 'middle' lens shift position, the 'unshifted' position.
Then with it 'unshifted' twist the PJ to get the pattern to line up with the mid-point of the screen.


We are now pretty much square, so repeat the left/right max extent procedure to fine-tune the 'unshifted' mid point, and realign with that as the current setting.
I guess it depends on the objective of the OP. I didn't get the sense that he was trying to figure out where to place his projector but rather simply determine the center of the lens shift based on where his projector was currently sitting. you'd be able to tell whether or not the projector was squared up with the wall simply by looking at the keystoning of the image. From there if he wants to maintain neutral lens shift he can simply move the projector left or right until it lines up with the edge of his desired screen location. OP can chime in with his/her objective
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I have 9" ceilings so it sits nice and high on the ceiling. The combination of a high ceilings and an open box mount is that even in high lamp mode the fan noise is muted nicely, with great airflow! I repeat fan noise is nicely muted. With a regular mount, you get way more noise.

My friend saw my 5050 and he bought one the next day to replace an Optoma UHD60 DLP, but with a ceiling mount and we both noticed the noise difference, in fact I now "have to" do the box for him....LOL

It also hides how large the projector really is (but I don't care about that nonsense)

Also lets say your screen is not perfectly level on the wall, you can use the projector feet for easy alignment

As with all my Epson's this has an insane amount of len shifts so no concern there. (DLP manufacturers are you listening...lol)

Best part as I mention before cleaning and remounting, takes no time
Interesting side benefit. I would've thought that the majority the noise still would reach you since the air intake and outtakes are on the front of the projector and those would likely be close to the edge of your box, but are you saying there's more noise that comes through the projector chassis that is blocked by the box?
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I guess it depends on the objective of the OP. I didn't get the sense that he was trying to figure out where to place his projector but rather simply determine the center of the lens shift based on where his projector was currently sitting. you'd be able to tell whether or not the projector was squared up with the wall simply by looking at the keystoning of the image. From there if he wants to maintain neutral lens shift he can simply move the projector left or right until it lines up with the edge of his desired screen location. OP can chime in with his/her objective

True. Having seen evidence of people tilting PJs and then using keystone I thought I'd go for the 'make sure everything else is correct first' approach
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I have 9" ceilings so it sits nice and high on the ceiling. The combination of a high ceilings and an open box mount is that even in high lamp mode the fan noise is muted nicely, with great airflow! I repeat fan noise is nicely muted. With a regular mount, you get way more noise.

My friend saw my 5050 and he bought one the next day to replace an Optoma UHD60 DLP, but with a ceiling mount and we both noticed the noise difference, in fact I now "have to" do the box for him....LOL

It also hides how large the projector really is (but I don't care about that nonsense)

Also lets say your screen is not perfectly level on the wall, you can use the projector feet for easy alignment

As with all my Epson's this has an insane amount of len shifts so no concern there. (DLP manufacturers are you listening...lol)

Best part as I mention before cleaning and remounting, takes no time
Fan noise is always a personal perception thing...and obviously varies with different people. Having had a dozen or so PJ's over the past 20 years, I have never been bothered by fan noise. Once immersed in a movie, any fan noise disappears for me...even during quiet scenes. Of course....YMMV.

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Epson has a test pattern, same one from previous models.
Exactly, use the test patterns to center and align the picture with the top, bottom, sides and corners of the screen. A fully dimensional adjustable mounting platform (like the Chief) will often fully eliminate the need to use of H-position, V-position, or keystone adjustments to achieve that alignment = minimal optical distortions introduced.
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Exactly, use the test patterns to center and align the picture with the top, bottom, sides and corners of the screen. A fully dimensional adjustable mounting platform (like the Chief) will often fully eliminate the need to use of H-position, V-position, or keystone adjustments to achieve that alignment = minimal optical distortions introduced.
How does the chief prevent you from using vertical and horizontal lens shift?
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Just for fun I put in these settings into my PJ to compare with my calibrated ones. The NATURAL setting for watch SDR doesn’t quite look as good as my settings but it’s not bad and way better than default, the surprise is the CINEMA DIGITAL setting which is really good, probably gives more pop to the colours compared to my HDR setting.

Didn’t like the bright HDR setting at all but this might suit someone else.

The settings either work or not based on the screen you have IMO. That being said, watched Lion King 4K out of my Oppo with default settings and the HDR above. Stunning to say the least. The natural is correct for me watching Comcast but haven't tested Blu-Ray. Didn't bother with the bright one. I'm into color correct and using the P3 colorspace. That is why the HDR looks so sweet. To each her/his own. My current motto is watch and enjoy content and stop pixel peeping

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Interesting side benefit. I would've thought that the majority the noise still would reach you since the air intake and outtakes are on the front of the projector and those would likely be close to the edge of your box, but are you saying there's more noise that comes through the projector chassis that is blocked by the box?

I think it is a couple of things, first you have a bottom layer of material underneath the PJ that blocks probably fan noise from inside the chassis. Also as the fan ejects air out the back and that box helps channel that noise away from the viewer underneath.

Regardless I am not saying it some magic cure for noise, and this PJ is so quiet in all modes but high power. And even then you only notice it during quiet passages.

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I think it is a couple of things, first you have a bottom layer of material underneath the PJ that blocks probably fan noise from inside the chassis. Also as the fan ejects air out the back and that box helps channel that noise away from the viewer underneath.

Regardless I am not saying it some magic cure for noise, and this PJ is so quiet in all modes but high power. And even then you only notice it during quiet passages.
Got it, but I thought the projector exhausted air out the front. If it exhausted out the back, the box would cause heating issues.
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The settings either work or not based on the screen you have IMO. That being said, watched Lion King 4K out of my Oppo with default settings and the HDR above. Stunning to say the least. The natural is correct for me watching Comcast but haven't tested Blu-Ray. Didn't bother with the bright one. I'm into color correct and using the P3 colorspace. That is why the HDR looks so sweet. To each her/his own. My current motto is watch and enjoy content and stop pixel peeping
It was Lion King 4K where I noticed the pop in colour with those settings. Would have to spend more time with a few more movies to see if that opinion remains but was really surprised how vibrant and bright the image looks despite the HDR slider at 8.
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It was Lion King 4K where I noticed the pop in colour with those settings. Would have to spend more time with a few more movies to see if that opinion remains but was really surprised how vibrant and bright the image looks despite the HDR slider at 8.

Avatar Blu-Ray Directors Cut is spot on in Natural settings. Not HDR of course but colors pop here as well. Can appreciate what Cameron did years ago. Wish he would do 4K HDR.

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Avatar Blu-Ray Directors Cut is spot on in Natural settings. Not HDR of course but colors pop here as well. Can appreciate what Cameron did years ago. Wish he would do 4K HDR.
I think the difference for me is that mine was professionally calibrated for my projector in my room with my screen which is why my own settings work better but the Natural setting is definitely good too, HDR is a bit of a mine field, I still believe the ones that were calibrated work better but these ones are very good indeed and if you want a vibrant image this setting will give you that.

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Money well spent!

Just received and set up my new 5050 last night. Coming from a Sony VPL-40ES. The 5050 is probably 50% bigger, but once installed from my celiing, it looks very nice, professional. Wish it wasn't white.

Projecting onto a 150" Seymour 130" AV XD Screen (acoustically transparent - very nice upgrade from a regular screen). Projecting at a distance of about 16'. Light-controlled room.

Right out of the box, using the Natural settings with the projectorreviews.com settings, the 5050 is obviously generating much deeper blacks, which sets up the higher contrast with the brighter colors. Very impressive - honestly reminds me of my OLED TVs. Just much, much bigger.

I'm having 4K handshake issues with my "old" Marantz SR7008, so I've got a new cord on order. I was able to plug in my Amazon Fire TV directly into the 5050, so I could see (but not hear) 4k HDR. Very nice.

I'm more excited about how my Blu-rays look, though. I showed my entire family, one at a time, the opening credits of Spider-man: Into the Spider-Verse. Colors really pop. Lots of deep blacks. Lots of bright colors. My jaw literally dropped the first time around.

This 5050 is clearly brighter than my Sony 40ES. Much newer techology, much better projector. I really like the features new to me - like the ability to focus remotely rather than manually - allows me to get right up to the screen and make adjustments from there.

And when I first turned on the projector, and the lens cover slid back - "You had me at 'hello'..."
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Who else spent the weekend comparing the Projector Central settings to @Alaric 's?

I found Aleric's "HDR Accurate" to feel more, uh, 'accurate' than the "Best Mode for 4k/HDR." I felt like the "Best Mode" had a little more pop and depth to the image, but also had a bit of red push, particularly in skin tones. I was watching The Greatest Showman for demo material, since its what we were using at the Epson event in NYC last month.

Anyone else have any thoughts on those settings? Hoping I can split the difference somehow.
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