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I came in way under budget on my speakers for my HT build currently underway. I was set on getting the 6050UB until now.



So with the freed up cash I can afford the NX5 if I want so I am asking all of you, if you had the choice would you go NX5 ?



If it helps my room is 13x22x8 completely light controlled and I am looking to use a 16x9 135" screen.



I am asking this in the 6050UB thread because to ask in the JVC thread which can be slightly "fanatical" I know what they would say. I figured I would get a much more honest response here.



So if any of you have seen both these projectors in action and could weigh in it would be appreciated.


I would get the NX-5 but only if your getting under msrp. PM me if you want a vendor that will do a good deal. It’s not much more money at all over the 6050 and if I was able to get a refund on my unit that is the route I would go now. I was not aware of the deals to be had when I made my purchase.


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120" and under I'd say the NX5. Over 120" I'd lean towards the 6050.

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[QUOTE=LIPLASMA;58178956]I came in way under budget on my speakers for my HT build currently underway. I was set on getting the 6050UB until now.

So with the freed up cash I can afford the NX5 if I want so I am asking all of you, if you had the choice would you go NX5 ?

If it helps my room is 13x22x8 completely light controlled and I am looking to use a 16x9 135" screen.

I am asking this in the 6050UB thread because to ask in the JVC thread which can be slightly "fanatical" I know what they would say. I figured I would get a much more honest response here.

So if any of you have seen both these projectors in action and could weigh in it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE

] how far back will your main listening position be from the screen. I tend to think with that size screen you would want the extra lumens from the 6050. I own the 6050 and have seen the NX5. I think their as a little more sharpness and detail to the JVC. Slightly deeper blacks. I would say the NX7 is the sweet spot for the new line of JVC projectors but not as MSRP. HDR performance was really good on the NX5 due to the auto tone mapping. I would say it was on par with my 6050. I did not get a chance to compare them side by side nor did I get the NX5 in my blacked out theater. Here is a pic from my 6050 using just my phone. Movie was playing not paused.
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Keep in mind, JVC replacement lamps are $$$ vs $ for Epson.

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Having my Epson 5050 installed tomorrow. Upgrading from an Epson 6030 that is about 5 years old.

I was curious if anyone has display settings, etc they can paste that would help with the install.

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I have question for the 5050 and 6050 owners here, how many of you are using a streaming service for 4k material? I'm curious how the tone mapping for HDR from a streaming service works compared to a disc based source. I am asking because it seems like the JVCs do really well on discs when paired with one of the Panasonic players but if I go 4k I want to enjoy all of the 4k content out there and not just be limited to discs.

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Hey everyone! I’ve been working on dialing in HDR 4K movie settings and I feel like I finally got them where they look fantastic! I’ve tried Alaric’s Bright and Digital Cinema. They both have things I like and dislike about them. However, I keep finding myself going back to the settings I’ve dialed in myself. I feel like they’re a good balance of both of his bright and digital cinema settings. Would love some feedback if anyone wants to try them out. Let me know!

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Finally bought the Epson 5050. I'm installing in the next day or two, are these still the settings some would recommend and are they just for 4k movies or also for TV (DirecTV) watching?
I have a Screen innovations black diamond 1.2 gain that is about 5 years old (115")
My projector is in the ceiling about 22 foot throw.
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I have question for the 5050 and 6050 owners here, how many of you are using a streaming service for 4k material? I'm curious how the tone mapping for HDR from a streaming service works compared to a disc based source. I am asking because it seems like the JVCs do really well on discs when paired with one of the Panasonic players but if I go 4k I want to enjoy all of the 4k content out there and not just be limited to discs.
I have about 100 titles on UHD through Vudu. Obviously disc is always better unless you are using discs ripped in 4k to your own server or are able to afford Kaleidascape . I do find my 6050UB does a really great job with Netflix Amazon Prime and Vudu 4k content with HDR. I usually have to dial in the slider a little more with streaming. Vudu does it the best . Prime tends to oversaturate colors and brighten too much using HDR so I dial the slider back. Netflix the opposite not as bright and colors don't pop as much. But the slider works very well for adjusting HDR.
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Thank you guys I will let you know what happens. Yes this is my second unit.

Contrast aside he did say the 5050UB calibrates much better than the 5040 especially for HDR.


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120" and under I'd say the NX5. Over 120" I'd lean towards the 6050.


I got my unit professionally calibrated by Chad B. Everybody who owns equipment of this caliber and capability owes it to themselves to do the same.



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So with the freed up cash I can afford the NX5 if I want so I am asking all of you, if you had the choice would you go NX5 ?
As somebody else has already said, it depends on how important any sort of HDR effect is to you. Go to http://webprojectorcalculator.com and find a JVC projector similar in lumens to an NX5, like a 790 or 990. On a 135" screen, you'll find that you won't get to the recommended Fl for HDR (30). The 5050 will. The JVC might well give you the better overall picture and better blacks, but probably no HDR effect. And I love the HDR effect! I too have a 135" screen, and my 9400 (same as 6050) really does show the specular highlights very well (new lamp, mind you), as long as you use high lamp without the filter (which is fine by me). For the price, I'm pretty stunned at this. So it all comes down to what aspect of the picture means most to you...
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I came in way under budget on my speakers for my HT build currently underway. I was set on getting the 6050UB until now.

So with the freed up cash I can afford the NX5 if I want so I am asking all of you, if you had the choice would you go NX5 ?

If it helps my room is 13x22x8 completely light controlled and I am looking to use a 16x9 135" screen.

I am asking this in the 6050UB thread because to ask in the JVC thread which can be slightly "fanatical" I know what they would say. I figured I would get a much more honest response here.

So if any of you have seen both these projectors in action and could weigh in it would be appreciated.
You will get diehard JVC fans who will dismiss the Epson simply because the JVC has superior blacks which is indeed true but on this particular model it isn’t as dramatic as you would think. But I’m a great believer in see with your own eyes and compare both side by side, at least that way you can justify your decision from actual experience rather than listening to heresy opinions.

One thing that we are all in agreement with is viewing distance to screen size ratio determines where the benefits of Native 4K affect viewing enjoyment.

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I came in way under budget on my speakers for my HT build currently underway. I was set on getting the 6050UB until now.

So with the freed up cash I can afford the NX5 if I want so I am asking all of you, if you had the choice would you go NX5 ?

If it helps my room is 13x22x8 completely light controlled and I am looking to use a 16x9 135" screen.

I am asking this in the 6050UB thread because to ask in the JVC thread which can be slightly "fanatical" I know what they would say. I figured I would get a much more honest response here.

So if any of you have seen both these projectors in action and could weigh in it would be appreciated.
Thanks for all the input.

So after reading the suggestions I have another question.

Taking projector selection out of the equation for a min would you be better off using a smaller say 120-125" screen and moving your seats closer to the screen or using a larger screen? It seems from allot of comments I have read there is a direct correlation between screen size and the effectiveness of HDR?
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Thanks for all the input.

So after reading the suggestions I have another question.

Taking projector selection out of the equation for a min would you be better off using a smaller say 120-125" screen and moving your seats closer to the screen or using a larger screen? It seems from allot of comments I have read there is a direct correlation between screen size and the effectiveness of HDR?
It has an effect for sure but the smaller screen won't give the immersive experience of a larger screen. I think you should ask if there is any members in your area who would allow you to come along a see their setup, that way you can see which is most important to you be it size or HDR.

I can tell you that if you are coming from a big TV (65") then a 120" screen is enormous.

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Having my Epson 5050 installed tomorrow. Upgrading from an Epson 6030 that is about 5 years old.

I was curious if anyone has display settings, etc they can paste that would help with the install.

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Alaric's settings:

https://sites.google.com/view/epson-...p_1sV9E16x38lM

https://sites.google.com/view/dreaming-cinema/home


Projectorreview's settings:

https://www.projectorreviews.com/eps...tion-settings/

https://www.projectorreviews.com/eps...d-calibration/


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No generic settings compare to a real calibration. If there is one thing that is absolutely confirmed it’s the amount of variation between units. Despite my units contrast issue the amount of sharpness and detail I am now seeing is eye opening it’s such a big difference I will pay him to come back and do my replacement unit since Epson will not set up to the plate on that. $450 for the 5 hours he spent here actually seems like a bargain I can’t recommend it enough.

I will give a more thorough review if there are interested parties.

I would recommend Alaric’s over pjreviews as I found them to be quite unnatural looking. Poor skin tones etc.


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No generic settings compare to a real calibration. If there is one thing that is absolutely confirmed it’s the amount of variation between units. Despite my units contrast issue the amount of sharpness and detail I am now seeing is eye opening it’s such a big difference I will pay him to come back and do my replacement unit since Epson will not set up to the plate on that. $450 for the 5 hours he spent here actually seems like a bargain I can’t recommend it enough.

I will give a more thorough review if there are interested parties.

I would recommend Alaric’s over pjreviews as I found them to be quite unnatural looking. Poor skin tones etc.


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I have to agree that there is no substitute for a professional calibration there is just too much variation as you stated between units. I think my picture looks absolutely amazing now but I'm positive after professional calibration it will look better. Jeff Meier of Accucal AV calibrated my 5040. I'm not saying you can't enjoy an uncalibrated projector by using some generic settings because I am definitely enjoying my projector immensely right now I just know that it can be better.
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What would be a reasonable amount to pay for a professional calibration of a projector?
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Varies by region, availability and experience. Chad B , Kris Deering and Jeff Meier are mentioned frequently on this forum. Rates will vary based upon travel, set tours and combining audio and video calibration at the same time. I would say anything under $500 would be a bargain and even if over it might still be a bargain based upon the specific calibration provided.
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Varies by region, availability and experience. Chad B , Kris Deering and Jeff Meier are mentioned frequently on this forum. Rates will vary based upon travel, set tours and combining audio and video calibration at the same time. I would say anything under $500 would be a bargain and even if over it might still be a bargain based upon the specific calibration provided.
Are there any known discernable differences between this trio? Not in price but in the finished product. It seems like you sometimes read that folks feel the picture looks a bit washed out after calibration while others have had Chad (for example) come out and claim how the picture seems to pop. I'm not alluding to Kris or Jeff regarding the washed out appearance, I'm just using Chad in this example as you have brought him up.
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Varies by region, availability and experience. Chad B , Kris Deering and Jeff Meier are mentioned frequently on this forum. Rates will vary based upon travel, set tours and combining audio and video calibration at the same time. I would say anything under $500 would be a bargain and even if over it might still be a bargain based upon the specific calibration provided.
Are there any known discernable differences between this trio? Not in price but in the finished product. It seems like you sometimes read that folks feel the picture looks a bit washed out after calibration while others have had Chad (for example) come out and claim how the picture seems to pop. I'm not alluding to Kris or Jeff regarding the washed out appearance, I'm just using Chad in this example as you have brought him up.
I am sure that each person mentioned above has a specific ideal for they think the picture should look like and there are obviously certain ISF standards for color. I am also certain that they spend so much time with you that you can personalized the picture explain to him what's important to you for example are you a person who needs absolute blacks or do you prefer a little more pop to your image and would sacrifice a little bit of black are you a person who needs to have the color be 100% accurate or would you sacrifice some of that accuracy for brighter HDR. I can't confirm that everyone who gets a calibration by any of these three professionals has been 100% satisfied but judging from the reviews on each of their sites they have many satisfied and actually thrilled customers after the various calibrations myself included when it comes to Jeff Meier
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I am sure that each person mentioned above has a specific ideal for they think the picture should look like and there are obviously certain ISF standards for color. I am also certain that they spend so much time with you that you can personalized the picture explain to him what's important to you for example are you a person who needs absolute blacks or do you prefer a little more pop to your image and would sacrifice a little bit of black are you a person who needs to have the color be 100% accurate or would you sacrifice some of that accuracy for brighter HDR. I can't confirm that everyone who gets a calibration by any of these three professionals has been 100% satisfied but judging from the reviews on each of their sites they have many satisfied and actually thrilled customers after the various calibrations myself included when it comes to Jeff Meier
Jeff is about a 4 hour (ish) drive for me so that's my likely guy. I'm going to jump to the 5050 or 6050 this summer and then add Atmos in the fall. I will wait until after the audio upgrade so he can do both. He seems to claim people expect more from the video and end up impressed more with the audio calibration if he does both. Not that they don't like the video but they don't realize what they are missing without the audio calibration. Just have to decide if the 6050 is worth the extra $1,000.
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I am sure that each person mentioned above has a specific ideal for they think the picture should look like and there are obviously certain ISF standards for color. I am also certain that they spend so much time with you that you can personalized the picture explain to him what's important to you for example are you a person who needs absolute blacks or do you prefer a little more pop to your image and would sacrifice a little bit of black are you a person who needs to have the color be 100% accurate or would you sacrifice some of that accuracy for brighter HDR. I can't confirm that everyone who gets a calibration by any of these three professionals has been 100% satisfied but judging from the reviews on each of their sites they have many satisfied and actually thrilled customers after the various calibrations myself included when it comes to Jeff Meier
Jeff is about a 4 hour (ish) drive for me so that's my likely guy. I'm going to jump to the 5050 or 6050 this summer and then add Atmos in the fall. I will wait until after the audio upgrade so he can do both. He seems to claim people expect more from the video and end up impressed more with the audio calibration if he does both. Not that they don't like the video but they don't realize what they are missing without the audio calibration. Just have to decide if the 6050 is worth the extra $1,000.
I have to agree with Jeff's assessment that I couldn't believe how much better he made my audio sound he made my basement home theater sound like a true Cinema. I was and still am amazed at the where he transformed all aspects of my audio system and I don't have the most expensive audio equipment except for my PB Ultra 16. Denon receiver middle range at the time and energy speakers that are 14 years old. I was considering getting new speakers until he did the calibration and now myself and all my friends are amazed when they come to watch a movie.
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Urgent Installation Question:

Our installers say almost all the projectors only have 1 HDMI 2.2 port which gives you the best picture even though all the HDMI ports are 4k.
We currently watch most of our movies/TV through DirectTV and Apple TV which has Netflix and Amazon Prime.

We are hooking up an Xbox for the BlueRay player but we haven't bought a BlueRay/DVD in probably 2-3 years, we order all our movies from DirectTV AppleTV or Prime.

Since the Xbox and AppleTV can have Netflix and we don't play many games or watch BlueRay would the main HDMI 2.2 port that has the best color, etc be connected straight to our 4k Apple TV?

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Urgent Installation Question:

Our installers say almost all the projectors only have 1 HDMI 2.2 port which gives you the best picture even though all the HDMI ports are 4k.
We currently watch most of our movies/TV through DirectTV and Apple TV which has Netflix and Amazon Prime.

We are hooking up an Xbox for the BlueRay player but we haven't bought a BlueRay/DVD in probably 2-3 years, we order all our movies from DirectTV AppleTV or Prime.

Since the Xbox and AppleTV can have Netflix and we don't play many games or watch BlueRay would the main HDMI 2.2 port that has the best color, etc be connected straight to our 4k Apple TV?

Thank you
To which projector are you referring?
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Urgent Installation Question:

Our installers say almost all the projectors only have 1 HDMI 2.2 port which gives you the best picture even though all the HDMI ports are 4k.
We currently watch most of our movies/TV through DirectTV and Apple TV which has Netflix and Amazon Prime.

We are hooking up an Xbox for the BlueRay player but we haven't bought a BlueRay/DVD in probably 2-3 years, we order all our movies from DirectTV AppleTV or Prime.

Since the Xbox and AppleTV can have Netflix and we don't play many games or watch BlueRay would the main HDMI 2.2 port that has the best color, etc be connected straight to our 4k Apple TV?

Thank you
I would be more concerned that your installer doesn't know the difference between HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0 nor do they seem to be providing you with the service for which they are being paid. They should know your equipment and should easily be able to explain why they are making the recommendations and installations for which you are paying. Here is an article to explain 4K specifications .

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feat...mi-20-hevc-uhd
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I would be more concerned that your installer doesn't know the difference between HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0 nor do they seem to be providing you with the service for which they are being paid. They should know your equipment and should easily be able to explain why they are making the recommendations and installations for which you are paying. Here is an article to explain 4K specifications .

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feat...mi-20-hevc-uhd

Epson 5050

They messed up and don't have long enough HDMI 4k cable as they need to wire a 2nd HDMI cable to the back of the projector. They are also saying our DirecTV will not be enhanced w/ a 4k cable since it's not 4k TV but I thought I read from Epson and another dealer that said the picture will be better even when not watching 4k TV w/ the new Epson 5050. Is this not true? I'm sure it's very minor since it's not 4k but the picture should be even better?

What are your thoughts on the HDCP 2.2 being hooked straight to Apple TV vs Xbox vs straight to the receiver? What is the norm or best thing to hook up the Epson 2.2 port to?

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I would be more concerned that your installer doesn't know the difference between HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0 nor do they seem to be providing you with the service for which they are being paid. They should know your equipment and should easily be able to explain why they are making the recommendations and installations for which you are paying. Here is an article to explain 4K specifications .

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feat...mi-20-hevc-uhd

Is it better to install the projector upside down vs right side up if we're having it mounted on the ceiling about 20 feet back? The ceiling is about 10 feet tall w/ a 115" screen. Our last Epson we had upside down but he said w/ the lens shift he could install it right side up. . I'm a little concerned these Best Buy guys don't do many Epson and they are just guessing. Thoughts on installing upside down or right side up?

Another issue/question since our projector is in the back ceiling and the 4k HDMI cable has to run up to 18 feet to the receiver.
1. If we have a cable that is 18 feet will that start to hurt your picture quality vs using an ethernet cable from the projector connecting to the 4k converter that plugs into the receiver?

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I would be more concerned that your installer doesn't know the difference between HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0 nor do they seem to be providing you with the service for which they are being paid. They should know your equipment and should easily be able to explain why they are making the recommendations and installations for which you are paying. Here is an article to explain 4K specifications .

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feat...mi-20-hevc-uhd

Is it better to install the projector upside down vs right side up if we're having it mounted on the ceiling about 20 feet back? The ceiling is about 10 feet tall w/ a 115" screen. Our last Epson we had upside down but he said w/ the lens shift he could install it right side up. . I'm a little concerned these Best Buy guys don't do many Epson and they are just guessing. Thoughts on installing upside down or right side up?

Thanks
Honest I hope that you are kidding unless you have a shelf installed on your ceiling how would you install the projector right side up since the mounting holes for the projector are only on one side. Please tell me you are trolling please tell me you are joking. Just curious as to why you are mounting it's so far back if you only have a hundred 15 inch screen if possible it makes more sense to mount it closer so you're getting more lumens on the screen the further back the projector is mounted you lose brightness.
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