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BenQ TK800M Review | 3,000 Lumen 96% Rec. 709 4K DLP Projector

BENQ TK800M REVIEW

I always set the stage of my reviews with a little context, so here we go…

One year ago, I was able to review both the BenQ HT2550 and the BenQ TK800. They both represented a good 4K value into the still very young 4K projector market. BenQ was the first to announce consumer 4K projectors for less than $1,500. I enjoyed the TK800’s combination of brightness, color, and picture quality so much that I made it my primary projector in my large dedicated 160” screen home theater for over 8 months. I watch a lot of sports, movies, tv shows, and play a lot of video games. I use my theater for just about everything so a great ‘all rounder’ projector with brightness chops and good color to boot is a must. The TK800 fit the bill with a few niggles, but overall, I highly recommended that projector to those in a similar situation as my own.

This year, BenQ is positioning itself with several offerings in the affordable 4K projector space. I have recently reviewed the HT3550, a 2000 lumen 4K projector well suited for dark room viewing. I am very high on the HT3550 for what it does very well; 4K HDR with great color for the price. The HT3550 offers the first dynamic iris in a DLP in this price range, auto tone mapping HDR, better blacks, user upgradable firmware, and a shorter throw among other goodies. I am also currently reviewing the HT5550, the 3550’s older and more polished brother with a substantial black chassis, even better color coverage, contrast, and much much better placement flexibility. Then there is this TK800M, essentially a refined version of the TK800 from last year, that is being offered as the ‘value’ projector in their 4K lineup…

AND ITS NO SLOUCH! The upgrades hit home for me.

Before diving into the TK800M lets talk again about what the TK800 already did very well and how BenQ was positioning it last year. The TK800 was marketed for “Vivid Living Room Entertainment”. It’s higher brightness allowed it to cut through ambient light to make watching sports, playing games, or anything else people did in rooms with ambient light. The TK800 performed in this regard with aplomb. The reason I was so high on the TK800 is that it was able to do this and still offer a very good 92% Rec 709 color space coverage out of the box.

So why the new model? Why the TK800M? BenQ is the first DLP manufacturer to implement TI’s updated .47” DMD this year. The TK800M is among the first of these projectors to ship with this updated DMD which means NO LIGHT BORDER around this screen. Not only does this help with contrast (a bit) but also the level of immersion one can expect from their viewing. The other change made is an all new lens that promises better sharpness and contrast compared to last year’s model. This new lens is a 1.1x zoom instead of a 1.2x zoom, so there is a tradeoff of placement flexibility. More later.

I have spent quite a bit of time with this projector. I left it up as my primary driver longer than expected because I enjoyed it so much. But let’s get into my subjective impressions….

4K Sharpness and Lens

This projector achieves a “True 4K” (as defined by CTA) image of 8.3 millions on-screen pixel by shifting its native 1080p chip four times. This is known as XPR shifting. Let me just say that this little TK800M is the sharpest 4K projector I have seen. That is comparing it to the HT2550, TK800, Epson 4000, HT3550, HT5550, and Epson 5050UB (currently reviewing). And the sharpness is not anomalous to the unit. I have gone through two review units of this projector and both exhibit the same insane level of sharpness I’ve yet to see on a projector. I can clearly see individual pixels. The focus knob has the widest range I’ve seen in a small projector for the purpose of very easily making adjustments and finding that ‘just right’ focus. The new lens does an amazing job at creating a pixel perfect sharpness that really blew me away compared to the other six 4K projectors that have been through my theater.

With that said, the lens does exhibit some minor chromatic aberration. On my 160” screen this is only noticeable at about 3 feet from the screen. My normal viewing was not affected by the aberration , however, so no harm no foul.

HDR

Compared to the TK800 unit I reviewed last year, BenQ has done a great job updating their future firmware releases with improved tone mapping for 4K HDR content. What I felt was very good HDR last year is improved upon this year. I also really like how a new mode called “HDR10” is engaged when HDR content is detected. This is nice to have your HDR specific HDR image settings are automatically called up. Projector manufacturers like Epson and Optoma can take a page out of BenQ’s book here.

After being spoiled with how good HDR is on the HT3550 last month, coming back to TK800 made me realize even more just how good HDR is on the HT3550. When comparing the two, detail in shadows and highlights is much better handled by the HT3550 as is the overall brightness of the HDR image on the HT3550. The auto tone mapping does wonders on that projector and the TK800M just can’t compete, although it does produce a really nice HDR picture.

Where the TK800M CAN compete with HDR is in HDR gaming. Just like last year, the TK800M supports full 18gbps HDMI which means that it can handle the PS4/Xbox One X’s full spec for 4K HDR gaming at 60 frames per second. So lets talk about gaming…

GAME ON

I have an Xbox One X and when choosing between the HT3550 and the TK800M, I choose the TK800M for gaming. 4K HDR gaming is simply amazing to play on. I play Halo Master Chief Collection and Forza Horizon 4 more than anything else and its hard to put into words how great it is in this regard. As far as 0.47” DMD 4K DLPs go, the TK800M has the fastest input lag among them all. I measured 42ms of input lag. This would be considered ‘good not great’ input lag. As a casual gamer, this is getting into the range of input lag that is hard for me to notice. The only other way to get lower input lag for 4K gaming in this price range is to go with the Epson 4010 for 33ms input lag. The tradeoff here is that the Epson costs $500 more (when on sale), only displays 4M on-screen pixels (some may not notice), and only supports 10gbps HDMI… so no 4K HDR @ 60 FPS. The Optoma HD27HDR (8ms 120hz/16ms 60hz input lag) is another gaming focused projector that can ‘accept’ a 4K signal, but only displays a 1080p image which kind of defeats the purpose of focusing on 4K gaming. All things said and done, I hope BenQ continues to focus on pushing the limits of image processing on their scaler/shifter to bring their 4K projector’s input lag down even further.

Two weeks ago, I had seven of my friends over for our monthly “Halo Night”. We always have a team of 4 on the projector in the theater and a team of 4 in the adjacent room with a 60” TV. I had two TK800M review units at the time and decided to put one in my theater, and the other TK800M projecting onto the wall in the other room instead of the usual TV. My friend, who is a discerning techie himself, said at least five times throughout the night, “What projector is this? This thing is amazing to game on.” The TK800M was a hit for game night. It offered a MUCH better gaming experience compared to the TV we usually play on for that room.

The only drawback of the TK800M that some might find objectionable is the limited placement flexibility. I mentioned previously that the TK800M has an even smaller zoom than the TK800 which already was knocked for lack of lens shift. What this means is that to produce a 100” image, the closest the projector can be to the screen is 11 feet away with its 1.5-165 throw ratio. So you need to consider how big you want the image to be and if placing on a table, will that be in front of or behind viewers?

BRIGHTNESS

A strong suit of the TK800M, the projector’s brightness is its friend. You wouldn’t put a clear slice in a dark-room projector, but for the TK800M’s intended purpose of being a high brightness projector for ambient light, the extra lumens are welcome from the optimized color wheel. I am able to watch sports, movies, game, and really do anything with the back half of my theater completely illuminated. This is great for sports viewing parties where I have food on the back bar and people coming and going.

The other thing I love about the increased white brightness is that when there are white highlights on the screen, they REALLY pop. That could be a bad thing for some, but not for me. Its not overly distracting either. What that extra pop of brightness does is improve the perceived contrast to the human eye when content is on the screen. So lets talk about contrast performance…

CONTRAST/BLACKS

The extra white lumens really do their job improving the perceived contrast when there is content on the screen. The omission of the light border also helps perceived contrast relative to last year’s model. Where contrast struggles is in dark scenes since the black floor on this projector isn’t exceptional. However, the intended audience for this projector is for high ambient light and living room use. In any living room or high ambient light environment, that ambient light hitting the screen negates any benefit from good performing contrast projectors. So for that reason, its hard to knock this projector since the contrast performance isn’t bad for its intended audience. So at the end of the day, with the perceived improved contrast on bright scenes and lower contrast on dark scenes, its kind of a wash on contrast performance for the target audience.

One thing to note on contrast, and perhaps something that BenQ can improve on in future designs is the lens ring assembly. They have already vastly improved the design for this year’s HT3550 which has virtually no light leakage off the front of the projector. However, the TK800M’s lens is recessed far back in a depressing that is lined with a reflective blue finish. This results in a fair amount of reflection, not from the lens or engine itself, but from the adjacent reflections in that lens depression itself. When this light is dispersed over a large area in an environment that is not light controlled, you will never notice it. But in a dark viewing setup, I would recommend lining that area with some black velour telescope flocking tape. Or projector screen tape. That completely eliminated light leakage/reflections on my unit, only serving to improve contrast further.

3D

Can’t do a review without getting into 3D performance. The 3D performance improves on the TK800. The image is very bright and seems to use its native lamp mode to illuminate such a bright image from the get-go. This results in a slightly green-tinge that can be adjusted/calibrated to get a more color accurate 3D image. It is bright though, I’ll give you that.

What has also improved on the TK800M is that you no longer have to manually engage 3D. 3D will automatically be detected and switched into 3D mode when content is played from a 3D Blu Ray. For personal libraries of 3D content, just make sure the source is displaying 1080p then play your side by side, top/bottom, or frame sequential 3D content, and then select the applicable 3D mode. I had no issue playing all of my 3D titles from my Plex library on my Nvidia Shield.

COLOR

As previously stated, color on this is really great considering it is a high brightness projector. Last year BenQ marketed the HT2550 as a color accurate projector intended for critical viewing. That projector was rated for 96% Rec 709 color coverage and had 2,200 lumens. The TK800M is rated at 96% Rec 709 and is rated at 3,000 lumens. This is an improvement from 92% coverage of the TK800 last year. So it certainly seems like it is eating its cake and having it too in relation to brightness and color accuracy.

CONCLUSION

People who know me already know I’ve been high on the TK800. The TK800M makes that projector even better with the exception of its slightly worse placement flexibility. BenQ continues to build its TK line. As the second entry into the TK family, the TK800M represents a very good, albeit iterative upgrade over the TK800. While the removal of the light border will turn many heads, what stands out most about this projector relative to others I’ve had the pleasure of review has to be incredible sharpness I’ve observed. At $1,299, it represents a great value for its performance. This will be the projector I recommend to just about anyone interested in a projector for high ambient light or gaming setups!

In classic ‘I like/Meh’ fashion

I like:
-Really good combo of brightness/color
-Best in class 8.3M pixel 4K input lag of 42ms
-SHARPNESS! Sharpest 4K I’ve seen.
-No more light border
-18 gbps HDMI
-Great 4K HDR gaming projector
-3D
-Great for sports

Meh:
-Blacks/contrast in dark scenes
-Light ring light reflections
-Reduced zoom, placement flexibility

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SMH, and that's why laser projectors are needed. You can have the best of both worlds. What if you're a movie lover and a gamer. You're stuck. It's either or, or buy both with the TK800M/HT3550. A laser light engine can provide better blacks and HDR for DLP projectors. I really hope Viewsonic knocks it out the park with their solid state 4k projectors this year and really push DLP projectors forward.
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SMH, and that's why laser projectors are needed. You can have the best of both worlds. What if you're a movie lover and a gamer. You're stuck. It's either or, or buy both with the TK800M/HT3550. A laser light engine can provide better blacks and HDR for DLP projectors. I really hope Viewsonic knocks it out the park with their solid state 4k projectors this year and really push DLP projectors forward.
I don't disagree with you, but the price point of laser 4k is a non-starter for most. In addition, laser isn't the be-all end all silver bullet. When done right ($$$$), it can certainly solve for a lot of the draw backs of lamp based projectors. With that said, each projector needs to be viewed through the objective lens (pun. ha) of "value prop" and price. The laser projector you mentioned has an MSRP of $3,499. It wouldn't even qualify to be posted in this sub $3k forum.

Also, how do you figure that laser light engine unequivocally provide better blacks? It's not that simple. The most recent, and most popular affordable 4K DLP projector with a laser light engine, the LG Hu80ka, only puts out 800 calibrated lumens and just a hair over 1,000 for a good looking "bright mode". Even a self-proclaimed dark room lamp projector like the HT3550 performs better than that. Additionally, conflicting info is out there about the LG's 'laser' black levels but Art Feierman puts that laser projector's blacks at just a hair over "entry level". To be fair, Evan over at PC was a fan. Additionally, input lag is 71ms...

So for someone looking to laser light engines as "the answer" for high brightness, great color, great contrast, low input lag... it looks like laser implementats in this price range doesn't seem to be the silver bullet yet.

So to your point that you hope laser can kill it this year to push DLP forward... we are on the same page there. But I have a feeling that 'the answer' for sub $1,500 projectors lies with advancements in LED, not laser.
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I don't disagree with you, but the price point of laser 4k is a non-starter for most. In addition, laser isn't the be-all end all silver bullet. When done right ($$$$), it can certainly solve for a lot of the draw backs of lamp based projectors. With that said, each projector needs to be viewed through the objective lens (pun. ha) of "value prop" and price. The laser projector you mentioned has an MSRP of $3,499. It wouldn't even qualify to be posted in this sub $3k forum.

Also, how do you figure that laser light engine unequivocally provide better blacks? It's not that simple. The most recent, and most popular affordable 4K DLP projector with a laser light engine, the LG Hu80ka, only puts out 800 calibrated lumens and just a hair over 1,000 for a good looking "bright mode". Even a self-proclaimed dark room lamp projector like the HT3550 performs better than that. Additionally, conflicting info is out there about the LG's 'laser' black levels but Art Feierman puts that laser projector's blacks at just a hair over "entry level". To be fair, Evan over at PC was a fan. Additionally, input lag is 71ms...

So for someone looking to laser light engines as "the answer" for high brightness, great color, great contrast, low input lag... it looks like laser implementats in this price range doesn't seem to be the silver bullet yet.

So to your point that you hope laser can kill it this year to push DLP forward... we are on the same page there. But I have a feeling that 'the answer' for sub $1,500 projectors lies with advancements in LED, not laser.
I believe ViewSonic 4K laser will be less than $3k. The recently released LS700HD was announced with a $2200 price tag and upon release it's $1400. ViewSonic 4K led projectors will be even cheaper.

And I think its be proven with a proper dimming system, laser projectors can have better blacks and contrast than lamp DLP projectors. Look at reviews for the Optoma and Acer 4k laser projectors. Projectorreviews.com recently reviewed a 1080p Dell laser projector and stated that it had better black levels than the 4k DLP lamp projectors. I asked Kraine if the LS700HD has better black levels than the HT3550 and he said yes.

The LS700HD does 95% REC at 3500 lumens with a dynamic contrast of 41000/1, 2700 lumens with a notch filter, so the technology is there. Honestly ViewSonic dropped the ball with this projector, if they added a HDMI 2.0 port and real HDR/BT2020 support, with a $1500 pricetag, imo it would blow the doors off the HT3550 while even only being 1080p. Hopefully the 4k version delivers.

And hopefully this is the last year of new bulb projectors.
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I don't want to get of topic here ,but is it just me that prefer bulb than laser ?
laser 20k hrs 1-3 year warranty. 20k hrs it can last less or who knows more. But when it dies it's going to the garbage .

DLP bulb 5k-10k hrs, 1-3 year warranty. Lets say even if it just last 5k hr lets say the ht3550. get another bulb for 150$.

I understand that your adding extra for the bulbs but i feel safer for a bulb projector that i want to keep to last me lets say 5 years.

Well i don't really know , I'm the kinda person that would add 5-8hrs a day to a projector. I would probably go to sleep with it on xD.

Also nice review scottyroo like always .
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I don't want to get of topic here ,but is it just me that prefer bulb than laser ?

laser 20k hrs 1-3 year warranty. 20k hrs it can last less or who knows more. But when it dies it's going to the garbage .



DLP bulb 5k-10k hrs, 1-3 year warranty. Lets say even if it just last 5k hr lets say the ht3550. get another bulb for 150$.



I understand that your adding extra for the bulbs but i feel safer for a bulb projector that i want to keep to last me lets say 5 years.



Well i don't really know , I'm the kinda person that would add 5-8hrs a day to a projector. I would probably go to sleep with it on xD.



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You know… I haven’t thought about it that way. I like your logic.

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SMH, and that's why laser projectors are needed. You can have the best of both worlds. What if you're a movie lover and a gamer. You're stuck. It's either or, or buy both with the TK800M/HT3550. A laser light engine can provide better blacks and HDR for DLP projectors. I really hope Viewsonic knocks it out the park with their solid state 4k projectors this year and really push DLP projectors forward.
I am very interested in the LS700-4K but the LS700HD review has me concerned, light border (.67 chip?) and 0 lens shift are a bummer. It seems that the LS700-4K chassis is exactly the same and the tech specs don't mention lens shift that I could see so that is a bummer, I mean it is nice to have a smidge of play room! I assume these have the RGBW color wheel along with the expected bright brother of the HT3550? Also I was bummed when Kraine mentioned the LS400-4K in the fall, I was really hoping it was still on track for early this year.
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Awesome review, thanks! I've been back and forth between the TK800M vs HT3550, but since I primarily use the projector for movies, I'll have to go with the HT3550.

Just a heads up for everyone, the TK800M will be on sale at Fry's and you can snag one of the 20% coupons to make it ~1040 before taxes!
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Awesome review, thanks! I've been back and forth between the TK800M vs HT3550, but since I primarily use the projector for movies, I'll have to go with the HT3550.



Just a heads up for everyone, the TK800M will be on sale at Fry's and you can snag one of the 20% coupons to make it ~1040 before taxes!


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From what shop is gonna be price with -20% price for TK800M?

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Cant seem to get the projector to produce a 110 inch screen from about 12 feet away. This should be possible right?
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Yes it should be possible. The 1.5-1.65 throw ratio allows for exactly a 110" at 12 feet away from the screen.

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Distance for 110" screen is from 11,97 to 13,15 ft. So you have minimum distance 😉

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Awesome review, thanks! I've been back and forth between the TK800M vs HT3550, but since I primarily use the projector for movies, I'll have to go with the HT3550.

Just a heads up for everyone, the TK800M will be on sale at Fry's and you can snag one of the 20% coupons to make it ~1040 before taxes!
JMO but I think the TK800M will have to drop pretty fast in price. $1,299 MSRP is way to close to the $1,499 of the HT3550 which is a WAY more feature rich projector (dynamic iris, some lens shift, placement flexibility of 1.3x zoom vs. 1.1x, auto-keystone, color filter for 95% DCI-P3, etc...).

I think this is a $999 type of projector this year, right where the TK800 is already selling basically now, should just be a replacement at that price with minimal changes.

I realize the 2 projectors are different in application but the feature set is hard to ignore...
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JMO but I think the TK800M will have to drop pretty fast in price. $1,299 MSRP is way to close to the $1,499 of the HT3550 which is a WAY more feature rich projector (dynamic iris, some lens shift, placement flexibility of 1.3x zoom vs. 1.1x, auto-keystone, color filter for 95% DCI-P3, etc...).



I think this is a $999 type of projector this year, right where the TK800 is already selling basically now, should just be a replacement at that price with minimal changes.



I realize the 2 projectors are different in application but the feature set is hard to ignore...


Consider that right now this is the best BRIGHT 4K pj in BenQ’s consumer home entertainment lineup I think the 1,299 spot is justified. Until the bright version of the HT3550 comes out I think the combo of brightness, color, and sharpness is justified at 1299 for now until the brighter ht3550 comes out.

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Consider that right now this is the best BRIGHT 4K pj in BenQ’s consumer home entertainment lineup I think the 1,299 spot is justified. Until the bright version of the HT3550 comes out I think the combo of brightness, color, and sharpness is justified at 1299 for now until the brighter ht3550 comes out.
Well I certainly think it's justified in Benq's minds because they WANT to capitalize on these mildly updated TK800's until they produce a bright HT3550 for around the same $1,499 MSRP (maybe later this year/early next?). However, I feel like anyone spending $1299 on this is going to feel cheated pretty soon. $999 is just the sweet spot IMO....really a justice to how amazing the HT3500 is at $1,499 MSRP and the features it's bringing there.
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Well I certainly think it's justified in Benq's minds because they WANT to capitalize on these mildly updated TK800's until they produce a bright HT3550 for around the same $1,499 MSRP (maybe later this year/early next?). However, I feel like anyone spending $1299 on this is going to feel cheated pretty soon. $999 is just the sweet spot IMO....really a justice to how amazing the HT3500 is at $1,499 MSRP and the features it's bringing there.
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This projector sounds fairly compelling - I am thinking about the TK800M over the HT3550 just for 3D brightness. I currently have a Panasonic AE-8000U and have been disappointed at the crosstalk I get in 3D; I'm hoping this will work better as well as get me into the 4K world. I've slowly begun acquiring 4K discs although I don't even have a player yet! I don't really care about gaming; I'll do that in the TV in the living room, not the home theater.



I can live without lens shift but I am going to miss the motorized zoom/focus! My screen is around 2:1 or 2.1:1 and I have the AE8000U set so that it automatically zooms and focuses with 2.35:1 content so I get a full 6' wide display, then zooms back out to fill the screen vertically on 16:9 content. Not the end of the world and it seems like it might be a good time to upgrade while my old projector is still worth something! I may need to run some numbers to make sure the TK800m has enough zoom range to handle that.



It would be nice to have the TK800M's brightness as well as the improved picture of the HT3550 but I understand there have to be trade-offs especially when looking at the low-end. I remember spending almost $2k for my Sanyo Z2 back when 1080p projectors were $30k!


One question - I saw in the HT3550 thread that it can do proper 24fps playback; can the TK800M do that also? Since I'm primarily interested in movies, that's important.
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This projector sounds fairly compelling - I am thinking about the TK800M over the HT3550 just for 3D brightness. I currently have a Panasonic AE-8000U and have been disappointed at the crosstalk I get in 3D; I'm hoping this will work better as well as get me into the 4K world. I've slowly begun acquiring 4K discs although I don't even have a player yet! I don't really care about gaming; I'll do that in the TV in the living room, not the home theater.



I can live without lens shift but I am going to miss the motorized zoom/focus! My screen is around 2:1 or 2.1:1 and I have the AE8000U set so that it automatically zooms and focuses with 2.35:1 content so I get a full 6' wide display, then zooms back out to fill the screen vertically on 16:9 content. Not the end of the world and it seems like it might be a good time to upgrade while my old projector is still worth something! I may need to run some numbers to make sure the TK800m has enough zoom range to handle that.



It would be nice to have the TK800M's brightness as well as the improved picture of the HT3550 but I understand there have to be trade-offs especially when looking at the low-end. I remember spending almost $2k for my Sanyo Z2 back when 1080p projectors were $30k!


One question - I saw in the HT3550 thread that it can do proper 24fps playback; can the TK800M do that also? Since I'm primarily interested in movies, that's important.


The brighter version of the HT3550 is going to be coming out later this year!

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The brighter version of the HT3550 is going to be coming out later this year!
Ahh, but for what price and will it be worth it? There'll always be better tech coming down the line; sooner or later you've gotta pull the trigger.
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The brighter version of the HT3550 is going to be coming out later this year!
So one day I got impatient waiting for HT3550 and ordered a TK800M. And very next day HT3550 became available to order, so I ordered that as well, and tried to cancel the TK800M, but they already shipped it. Today, I received that TK800M and will keep it for a few days. Was hoping to compare it side by side with HT3500 in my space but don't know when HT3550 would ship and get delivered.

Anyhow, for the next few days will be testing TK800M and see how it fits my space. So far I have had trouble with placing it. I have a few questions. First, unfortunately, I have not been able to open up the remote to put in batteries. Any idea how to open it? I am trying to press and slide small part out like any other remote but it won't budge. As I will be returning it that is why I been trying to be delicate with it.
I don't have a mount so I have been keeping it on a makeshift shelf but the picture is not in a proper square shape which is a small annoyance but can be ignored. What mode should I test it in? And what content would best serve? I have a Nvidia shield and Apple tv 4k.

I have it around 15-16 feet but pic size is still not as big as I wanted it to be.
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I am a 3D fiend as you know, and this green tinge really turned me off of the original TK800, it actually did something to kill the clarity and contrast and I hated it when compared even to my HD141x for 3D. Apparently this one has it too...


Can you compare 3D between this PJ and the 3550? That is, does the 3550 get rid of the green completely? Can you see any difference in contrast, clarify, and is the TK800M brightness really different or much better than the 3550?


I mainly use my PJ for 3D movies and PS4 gaming, so this is a tough call, it sounds like I want try out the TK800M, but the 3D experience was so subpar on the TK800 I am scared to even give it a shot. Any information you can give to help out on this would be appreciated.
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I am a 3D fiend as you know, and this green tinge really turned me off of the original TK800, it actually did something to kill the clarity and contrast and I hated it when compared even to my HD141x for 3D. Apparently this one has it too...


Can you compare 3D between this PJ and the 3550? That is, does the 3550 get rid of the green completely? Can you see any difference in contrast, clarify, and is the TK800M brightness really different or much better than the 3550?


I mainly use my PJ for 3D movies and PS4 gaming, so this is a tough call, it sounds like I want try out the TK800M, but the 3D experience was so subpar on the TK800 I am scared to even give it a shot. Any information you can give to help out on this would be appreciated.
I don't know how soon you need a PJ, but I am just finishing up my theater room in the next month and also have an extensive 3D library, I am REALLY interested in the bright version of the HT3550. I am curious what will really separate the TK800M and the HT3550 that warrants another model in such a close price range. I thought it was rumored to be announced in Q2 but I have no idea anymore of what the time frame is. Anyhow it seems like if you are able to hold off the bright version of the HT3550 would definitely give you another option, and options are good!!
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I am a 3D fiend as you know, and this green tinge really turned me off of the original TK800, it actually did something to kill the clarity and contrast and I hated it when compared even to my HD141x for 3D. Apparently this one has it too...


Can you compare 3D between this PJ and the 3550? That is, does the 3550 get rid of the green completely? Can you see any difference in contrast, clarify, and is the TK800M brightness really different or much better than the 3550?


I mainly use my PJ for 3D movies and PS4 gaming, so this is a tough call, it sounds like I want try out the TK800M, but the 3D experience was so subpar on the TK800 I am scared to even give it a shot. Any information you can give to help out on this would be appreciated.
On the green tint thing... I didn't try very hard, but it shouldn't be that hard to play with the color temperature and RGB settings to calibrate.

I did a pretty detailed comparison of the TK800M and the HT3550 .... post 34 I think it was? The HT3550 gets rid of the green completely, yes. That has less to do with the projector as it does with the color settings that the BenQ engineers set as the default color mode for 3D. It seems that they just set the default mode to "Bright" ... again... not to difficult to calibrate tint/hue/temp to eliminate that. Annoying, but resolvable.

I think I answered most of your questions in the review. My TK800M is sharper than anything I've seen and I don't think it's anomalous. Native contrast is better on the HT3550. When content is on screen, the higher brightness of the TK800M eliminates the performance gap related to contrast. Just in dark, full black scenes the black floor is pretty gray. Yes the TK800M is much brighter than the 3550.

I'll try to play around with some settings to see how the 3D performs on the TK800M.

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to be honest I don't have a 4K PJ at the moment and wanted to play Days Gone in 4K which is my primary reason for hoping for this one to be a good PJ.

otherwise ya I'd be all in on the "bright HT3550".

I still want his thoughts on the 3D performance and green tint on this vs the 3550 to see how things look and what to maybe expect from the upgrade version.
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On the green tint thing... I didn't try very hard, but it shouldn't be that hard to play with the color temperature and RGB settings to calibrate.



I did a pretty detailed comparison of the TK800M and the HT3550 .... post 34 I think it was? The HT3550 gets rid of the green completely, yes. That has less to do with the projector as it does with the color settings that the BenQ engineers set as the default color mode for 3D. It seems that they just set the default mode to "Bright" ... again... not to difficult to calibrate tint/hue/temp to eliminate that. Annoying, but resolvable.



I think I answered most of your questions in the review. My TK800M is sharper than anything I've seen and I don't think it's anomalous. Native contrast is better on the HT3550. When content is on screen, the higher brightness of the TK800M eliminates the performance gap related to contrast. Just in dark, full black scenes the black floor is pretty gray. Yes the TK800M is much brighter than the 3550.



I'll try to play around with some settings to see how the 3D performs on the TK800M.
on the TK800 no amount of calibration got rid of the green tint when glasses were off.

when glasses on the green tint was minimal but I could see it affected the image negatively. it did something perma bake in high brightness calibration no matter what else you did. even Sammy's Adventure looked bad to me..

so ya a 3D comparison would be really appreciated and can you calibrate out the green with glasses off, how's the clarity etc..
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on the TK800 no amount of calibration got rid of the green tint when glasses were off.

when glasses on the green tint was minimal but I could see it affected the image negatively. it did something perma bake in high brightness calibration no matter what else you did. even Sammy's Adventure looked bad to me..

so ya a 3D comparison would be really appreciated and can you calibrate out the green with glasses off, how's the clarity etc..
I know that this question isn't directed at me, but when using 3D (especially because of DLP Link), I have always calibrated my Optoma HD33 with glasses on. The DLP Link process ads color flashes that only go away when the glasses are on, so I doubt that you would get a good calibration without them on. Also, the brightness/contrast will only be seen correctly with the glasses on, as well. I have a calibration video with some of the same scene in 2D/3D, so I just try to copy the 2D calibration the best and brightest I can. Another option would be to put the 2D version in another source input on your receiver and try to mimic those settings the best you can.
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I know that this question isn't directed at me, but when using 3D (especially because of DLP Link), I have always calibrated my Optoma HD33 with glasses on. The DLP Link process ads color flashes that only go away when the glasses are on, so I doubt that you would get a good calibration without them on. Also, the brightness/contrast will only be seen correctly with the glasses on, as well. I have a calibration video with some of the same scene in 2D/3D, so I just try to copy the 2D calibration the best and brightest I can. Another option would be to put the 2D version in another source input on your receiver and try to mimic those settings the best you can.
I wasn't meaning that I was calibrating with glasses off, I meant that none of settings changes removed the green tint with glasses off, meaning it wasn't just default calibration but something baked into 3D mode.

the 3550 apparently doesn't do this so it's not a 3D or DLP Link thing.
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This one is at the top of my list. I am getting ready to build a new house, and with it a new media room. I currently have a theater in the basement setup with dark walls, ceiling and complete light control. I have an HT1070a. Even in a fully light controlled theater its on the dim side. The new room is going to be on the main level, have a dark front wall but lighter ceiling, it will have windows (with full blackout shades), but I am thinking something like this or an Epson 5040ub or 505ub would make more sense. I was originally looking at the HT3550 but think I will need something that packs more of a lumens punch. It will be used for tv, sports, video games and movies. Big question is how the TK800m will compare to something like the Epson 5040 or 5050ub? I like that they bring the auto zoom so i could do 2 screen sizes but not sure that feature will be worth the almost double price on the 5050.
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This one is at the top of my list. I am getting ready to build a new house, and with it a new media room. I currently have a theater in the basement setup with dark walls, ceiling and complete light control. I have an HT1070a. Even in a fully light controlled theater its on the dim side. The new room is going to be on the main level, have a dark front wall but lighter ceiling, it will have windows (with full blackout shades), but I am thinking something like this or an Epson 5040ub or 505ub would make more sense. I was originally looking at the HT3550 but think I will need something that packs more of a lumens punch. It will be used for tv, sports, video games and movies. Big question is how the TK800m will compare to something like the Epson 5040 or 5050ub? I like that they bring the auto zoom so i could do 2 screen sizes but not sure that feature will be worth the almost double price on the 5050.
From what I gather these 2 projectors are really for 2 different situations, the TK800M would be something to look at if you have a VERY large screen or a lot of ambient light, if you don't have a very large screen <160" since that is what Scottyroo has I believe and has verified that the HT3550 and other HT projectors look good than I would definitely be aiming more toward the HT3550, HT5550 and 5050UB for their overall better color and contrast, also the colorwheels on the 3550 and 5550 DLP's will give a slimmer chance of seeing rainbows. I have a screen going in my theater that is larger than 160 so I am waiting for information on the bright variant of the HT3550.
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