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You should have identical L/C/R speakers. So add another tower to the mix of need be. I did notice a loss in contrast but mainly because I went from a high contrast lower gain grey screen to a 1.1 gain white screen.

The trade off is absolutely worth it. I have all speakers behind the screen but my subs are visible now and will be upgrading to newer PSA subs and lay them sideways in the ground so all 4 18’s will will be visible with lights on. I have velvet everywhere and a black rug on top of my carpet when the lights are off it’s just pure screen.




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Sorry if this is the wrong place for this but I am very new at all of this. Just got the 5050 and almost finished on the media room. I have not put up a screen yet. Stumped by aspect at this point. The room is only 11'11" wide and initially I thought of doing a 2.35 screen at 130" wide...this would result in a 16.9 at about 97" wide. I also don't have a high ceiling at 7'7". CHALLENGES

Here is where I am stumped. It appears I need to put the projector according to throw calculators at 19'9" back from screen. I can do that. If I do the 130" scope screen do I lose resolution or contrast by doing that? Or, do I lose enough that it would be noticeable? I do have complete light control in the room. (basement and windows will be blacked out).

I go back and forth between the 130 wide scope with 98 16.9 OR going with 115 16.9 and therefore a more narrow scope. I could go slightly larger with 16.9 but wonder about the effect of being inches from the ceiling? Should mention I have black tiles on ceiling and dark colors on walls.

I AM MORE THAN OPEN to any suggestions as I am getting ready to think of screen size. wondered about just putting up some white blackout cloth in the scope size and see what it feels like.

Thanks for any help!
You always have a compromise between lumens and size, the greater the distance the projector has to throw it's image the less lumens it will produce which isn't really a big deal for normal SDR 1080P material but will affect the HDR 4K stuff a little. How much hopefully someone in a similar situation will pipe up and answer.

How far away from the screen do you intend to watch from as this will determine (to a degree) the size of the screen you ultimately should be going for. I'm now sitting approximately 8.5-9.5 ft (depending on recline mode) from my 100" 16:9 but I'm considering changing this to a 115" 21:9 screen because I actually feel from this distance 100" in 16:9 aspect is too big.

What I would do is get where you feel is right for your seats to be and then get a movable table and set the PJ on it, now project a cinemascope movie on to the wall at 130" and see if you feel it's too big.

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Anyone have recommendations for a good 4k receiver to go with the Epson 5050?

Our media room just has Klipsch in-wall speakers (7 of them) for surround sound including ceiling

We have an old Marantz Receiver and would have a budget up to $2k for a new one. I saw their mid level 4k receiver for around $1400.

Any recommendations?
I also have all klipsch in wall speakers. I just upgraded my processor with the idea of going atmos and 4k. Went from an Onkyo TX NR3008 avr to a Marantz AV7705 and a monolith 7 amp. Those together were above $2k but I managed to get both open box for about $2500 total. You could go with an Emotiva BasX A7 and the Marantz AV7705 and probably be close to $2k. I am actually thinking about grabbing an emotiva BasX amp when I finally get around to installing ATMOS speakers..... or I may just grab an old AVR with multi channel inputs and use that as an amp (should have kept my onkyo 3008).

The Onkyo on the front page of AVS forum Home will get you 4k and atmos for Under $400 if you wanted to go that route. I can't speak for that Onkyo but having come from an Onkyo I can say I very much liked them. Honestly the Klipsch are so efficient they don't need much power to sound great IMO.

Next for me is upgrading my Epson 8500UB to the 5050 (I think).
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Does the fact that this is 240 lumens mean it will reproduce UHD images better than say the JVC with 1800 lumens?
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Does the fact that this is 240 lumens mean it will reproduce UHD images better than say the JVC with 1800 lumens?
Throws a brighter image than the JVC's....

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Throws a brighter image than the JVC's....
does that mean you can watch HDR content without having to go to high lamp mode?
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does that mean you can watch HDR content without having to go to high lamp mode?
The 5050 is brighter than the JVC's....in general, it means it throws a better viewable image under ambient lighting conditions. JVC's perform best in dark rooms. WRT to HDR performance, projectors in general do not yet match the performance of flat panels due to current technical limitations. This being said, I'll defer to the owners of the 5050 who have endeavored to optimize HDR performance for the answer to your question.

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I just seen in Amazon that the 5050 is $200 off right now. Wish I had the cash, but will wait till my theater is closer to being done. Hopefully by Christmas of this year.

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I just seen in Amazon that the 5050 is $200 off right now. Wish I had the cash, but will wait till my theater is closer to being done. Hopefully by Christmas of this year.
Other sites have 10% off daily.

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I just seen in Amazon that the 5050 is $200 off right now. Wish I had the cash, but will wait till my theater is closer to being done. Hopefully by Christmas of this year.
There will likely be another price drop for the holidays.

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There will likely be another price drop for the holidays.
That's what I am hoping for.

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Finally bought the Epson 5050. Does anyone have the page for the best display settings, etc for initial setup?
Any other installation tips would be great.

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Getting my 9400/5050 next week. Anyone familiar with this brand, Quantum G5 3D glasses? Their N11 Universal 3D glasses are on sale for $14.99.
Just wondering how they compare to Epson glasses. https://quantum3dglasses.com/shop/ca.../our-products/
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Finally bought the Epson 5050. Does anyone have the page for the best display settings, etc for initial setup?
Any other installation tips would be great.

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https://www.projectorreviews.com/eps...d-calibration/

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Both are fantastic. Differences are a matter of preference.

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Screen size question

Hi all. I have just bought the Epson 6050/tw9400 (delivered next week). I currently have a 150" 16:9 screen and am considering getting a 170-180 inch scope screen to use lens memory to get wider scope, but still retain about the same height for 16:9 and 4:3. My current 13 year old Epson 2000 lights up my old screen pretty well and this 9400 is much brighter. Any opinions on how a screen size upgrade that size would work for 3D and HDR and even blu-ray? I'm getting the Panasonic UB820 player too.
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Hi all. I have just bought the Epson 6050/tw9400 (delivered next week). I currently have a 150" 16:9 screen and am considering getting a 170-180 inch scope screen to use lens memory to get wider scope, but still retain about the same height for 16:9 and 4:3. My current 13 year old Epson 2000 lights up my old screen pretty well and this 9400 is much brighter. Any opinions on how a screen size upgrade that size would work for 3D and HDR and even blu-ray? I'm getting the Panasonic UB820 player too.
How far away from the screen are you already and do you intend to move further away if you change the screen. From a 150" screen I personally wouldn't want to be any closer than 13-14ft tops and even more with a 170-180" screen.

I honestly think you will struggle to put up a bright enough image in HDR unless you forget about using the filter that's built into the 'CINEMA & DIGITAL CINEMA' modes. A good professional calibrator with be able to adapt BRIGHT CINEMA or DYNAMIC to suit though in each case you won't have the same degree of colour accuracy.
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Getting my 9400/5050 next week. Anyone familiar with this brand, Quantum G5 3D glasses? Their N11 Universal 3D glasses are on sale for $14.99.

Just wondering how they compare to Epson glasses. https://quantum3dglasses.com/shop/ca.../our-products/
As their Facebook page indicates they've been around since 2011 headquartered in Portage, Michigan. This N11 model is basically the only active-pair model they sell on their website. $15 a pair + $9 shipping is pretty low when their previous G5 model was selling for $40 a pair. I own 5 pair of ValueView 3D glasses that have been flawless since purchasing at $40 per pair over a year ago. They are no longer in business as is true of several other companies who used to sell 3D glasses. Once TV manufacturers decided to stop selling 3D HDTVs the demand for 3D glasses dropped off sharply. So I am not sure what is going on with the Quantum brand but they seem to have doubled-down on this N11 model. I've never owned a pair of Epson glasses so I can't help you there.

If you are truly interested my advice is to buy a pair and test them with your new 9400/5050 projector. Buy more if you're satisfied. If you are an Amazon Prime member they are slightly cheaper since shipping is free.

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How far away from the screen are you already and do you intend to move further away if you change the screen. From a 150" screen I personally wouldn't want to be any closer than 13-14ft tops and even more with a 170-180" screen.

I honestly think you will struggle to put up a bright enough image in HDR unless you forget about using the filter that's built into the 'CINEMA & DIGITAL CINEMA' modes. A good professional calibrator with be able to adapt BRIGHT CINEMA or DYNAMIC to suit though in each case you won't have the same degree of colour accuracy.
I agree you will probbly want to be back at least 13' to 14' from eyes to screen. Now you could do 12' and the would be 2X the screen height of a 70' tall 2.35:1 screen. The projector's throw is 17'-10" to 37'- 5" to have this big of a screen. I too would love to have a screen this big in scope, but being bright enough for HDR may be an issue. The new JVC's may be able to do it, but more money.

The biggest I may go is a 166" 2.40:1 screen and have a 132" 16:9 inside of it. I could also sit closer this way, but it may still be to big of a screen. Good luck and I hope it works for you.

Edit: If you can set the projector at around 18' from the screen that should help with some of you brightness issues.

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"How far away from the screen are you already and do you intend to move further away if you change the screen. From a 150" screen I personally wouldn't want to be any closer than 13-14ft tops and even more with a 170-180" screen. "
I currently sit about 12 feet and it doesn't seem too close. I prefer an immersive viewing. With the better resolution of the new projector I could probably go only slightly bigger in wide and still not lose much for 16:9 content. Also sit closer if necessary. Guess I'll have to do some testing when I get the new projector. I think it was Wombats who said on the forum that he sits 4 feet from his 132 inch screen. Now that's immersive! I think this Epson has more lumens than the new JVC's, but I may be wrong. Anyway, it's all experimentation and it's all fun. Thanks for your advice guys.
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"How far away from the screen are you already and do you intend to move further away if you change the screen. From a 150" screen I personally wouldn't want to be any closer than 13-14ft tops and even more with a 170-180" screen. "
I currently sit about 12 feet and it doesn't seem too close. I prefer an immersive viewing. With the better resolution of the new projector I could probably go only slightly bigger in wide and still not lose much for 16:9 content. Also sit closer if necessary. Guess I'll have to do some testing when I get the new projector. I think it was Wombats who said on the forum that he sits 4 feet from his 132 inch screen. Now that's immersive! I think this Epson has more lumens than the new JVC's, but I may be wrong. Anyway, it's all experimentation and it's all fun. Thanks for your advice guys.
4ft from a 132" screen isn't immersive it's mental, you can't see the whole screen at all so you would have to constantly be shifting your eyes and head.

Not the kind of experience I would personally enjoy.

P.S. Unless you go the laser PJ route there's few bulb projectors with more lumens that can truly be class as a Home Cinema projector with decent black levels which can bet the Epson.

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Getting my 9400/5050 next week. Anyone familiar with this brand, Quantum G5 3D glasses? Their N11 Universal 3D glasses are on sale for $14.99.
Just wondering how they compare to Epson glasses. https://quantum3dglasses.com/shop/ca.../our-products/
Save your money. Tried a pair of the Quantum N11 which exhibited too much ghosting/crosstalk. I own the Epson HC4000 projector, no reason to believe they would be any better with the 5050.

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So just to toss this out there, I've ordered a Epson 5050UB I should get it tomorrow and will be testing it out on my screen. I'm coming from a 1080P Viewsonic so it'll be a huge jump.

Most people have complained about the native vs non native or the 1080x2 pixel shift. I wonder if a lot of us this really will not mater. Like a lot I have a acoustically transparent screen which I think eats some of that resolution. While I don't have a woven, I have nano perf from Carl's place but I do think that unless its a non transparent screen I feel like some of the resolution will be smoothed anyway. I'd be happy to test that. I should add my usable screen size is about 140" and we sit about 20 feet from the screen.
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So just to toss this out there, I've ordered a Epson 5050UB I should get it tomorrow and will be testing it out on my screen. I'm coming from a 1080P Viewsonic so it'll be a huge jump.

Most people have complained about the native vs non native or the 1080x2 pixel shift. I wonder if a lot of us this really will not mater. Like a lot I have a acoustically transparent screen which I think eats some of that resolution. While I don't have a woven, I have nano perf from Carl's place but I do think that unless its a non transparent screen I feel like some of the resolution will be smoothed anyway. I'd be happy to test that. I should add my usable screen size is about 140" and we sit about 20 feet from the screen.
20' from the screen, why so far back. If the is a 140" 16:9 you could sit probably as close as 13' form the screen. If it's a 140" 2.35:1 you could sit as close as 10' to 11'. Even if it is 140" wide 16:9 you could sit as close as 15'. You will want to sit closer when you get the projector I bet.

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20' from the screen, why so far back. If the is a 140" 16:9 you could sit probably as close as 13' form the screen. If it's a 140" 2.35:1 you could sit as close as 10' to 11'. Even if it is 140" wide 16:9 you could sit as close as 15'. You will want to sit closer when you get the projector I bet.
I'll measure to be sure likely Tomorrow(the 5050 is coming tomorrow). I'm nearly at floor the ceiling screen. Here is a picture showing off behind the screen. I can pull this off thanks to the nano-perf screen, this does not work with a woven screen.
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I'll measure to be sure likely Tomorrow(the 5050 is coming tomorrow). I'm nearly at floor the ceiling screen. Here is a picture showing off behind the screen. I can pull this off thanks to the nano-perf screen, this does not work with a woven screen.
That is a lot of speakers. Do you plan on covering that tile floor? Not great for audio or video. Reflects everything.

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That is a lot of speakers. Do you plan on covering that tile floor? Not great for audio or video. Reflects everything.

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You would be totally correct under any normal situation. However, There are tons of things on walls...there is also a large throw carpet just out of view and the titles above...well those are insulation tiles meant to maintain heat has a major benefit of basically killing all reflections. I have played with different things directly in front of the screen but from REW testing I can find any impact.
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You would be totally correct under any normal situation. However, There are tons of things on walls...there is also a large throw carpet just out of view and the titles above...well those are insulation tiles meant to maintain heat has a major benefit of basically killing all reflections. I have played with different things directly in front of the screen but from REW testing I can find any impact.
I find that hard to believe. Video for sure since the screen is right against the floor. Light reflection back onto the screen affecting contrast shadow detail color accuracy specular highlights etc. I would need to see measurements that the audio is not be impacted by reflection but as long as your enjoyment is not being impacted that is really all that matters.

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I find that hard to believe. Video for sure since the screen is right against the floor. Light reflection back onto the screen affecting contrast shadow detail color accuracy specular highlights etc. I would need to see measurements that the audio is not be impacted by reflection but as long as your enjoyment is not being impacted that is really all that matters.

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As far as picture goes, I've never taken measurements on that I will look into some testing once I can see a benefit, I'm coming from a cheaper Viewsonic projector that not much made any difference honestly. Here is my last REW testing from my seated position, no subs. You can see the line without my Super Tweeters and the higher one with my Super Tweeters.
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As far as picture goes, I've never taken measurements on that I will look into some testing once I can see a benefit, I'm coming from a cheaper Viewsonic projector that not much made any difference honestly. Here is my last REW testing from my seated position, no subs. You can see the line without my Super Tweeters and the higher one with my Super Tweeters.
REW stands for Room Equalization Wizard for those not familiar. Your results indicate you are not getting much reverberation. Must be the non reflecting sound absorbing ceiling tiles helping out immensely. Thank you for sharing.

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