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Sensor shift, not lens shift, fwiw. "Real" 4K is native 4K which none of the pixel-shifters are, FWIW.
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GREAT hands-on review! I just have one point that I was frustrated with...

Your comment quoted above IS relevant. I am also testing the 5050UB and I agree with most every point in this review. This is a fantastic projector but I wish notable reviewers would stop giving 1080x2 e-shift a pass and put some pressure on the leading consumer projector manufacturer. It's ok to critique one of the only drawbacks on what will undoubtedly will be one of the most popular projectors this year. The review acknowledges that 1080x2 e-shift is markedly better than 1080p content as a baseline. Agreed. But saying that "this not being a full UHD projector is practically irrelevant" discredits the review's comments about how much better the 4K Enhancement looks compared to off. 1080 is to 4Ke as 4Ke is to full UHD. Having 8.3M pixels on screen vs 4.15M pixels on screen IS relevant... if not for the deeper color space, what else is the push for 4K for? Especially for our massive projector screens?

The fact that this does 1080x2 is totally fine by the way. It's a great picture all things considered. My point here is that yes, PQ has so much more than just resolution... but with hat said, knocking it for not producing 8.3M discrete pixels is not a bad thing in an objective review.

Context: I am also testing the Epson 5050UB and went into this Epson with several assurances from folks "you won't notice in normal viewing". Sitting from 16 feet on my 160" 16:9 screen, I can absolutely notice the difference in resolution comparing this Epson to a sharp 1080x4 shifter.
Hey Scott how does this compare to the BenQ HT3550 in terms of the sharpness and detail of the observed resolution. As screen sizes increases RESOLUTION definitely has a much bigger impact.... I believe
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To me it sounds like the 5050 should have been priced at $2499 considering you can buy a 5040 for $1999 plus get a free lamp so essentially the 5040 at $1750 vs 5050 at $2999 with the only significant difference 18 GB HDMI? The competing BenQ 5550 $2499 which I'd be looking at if it had powered lens and memory for CIH further seems to support a $2499 price for the 5050.
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Hey Scott how does this compare to the BenQ HT3550 in terms of the sharpness and detail of the observed resolution. As screen sizes increases RESOLUTION definitely has a much bigger impact.... I believe


The HT3550 is much sharper.

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I have spent a lot of time with all 3... man that's a tough one. This is all subject to change but here's a dumbed down version of my mental flow chart if I personally had to decide which one to get.

#1 make or break in this flow-chart of a decision is the viewing environment. If it's a bright room with ambient light and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#2 make or break; if gaming and sports are really at the top of your list and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#3 if neither 1 or 2 and viewing in darkened or low ambient light I will most often recommend the BenQ as I feel they represent the better value in for this viewing type. Especially the HT3550.

Things to consider....and this is really really high level so glossing over stuff here....

If movie watching is primary content and 4K HDR content makes up the bulk of and movie watching is at the top of your list, I personally prefer the auto HDR tone mapping of the HT3550 and HT550.

Then there is the cost. HT3550 is $1,499. HT5550 is $2,499. 5050UB is $2,999. So if you can afford the $3k, the Epson is the best all-rounder. But if you are in a darker environment and viewing is mostly movies, tv shows, etc.... I'd recommend saving some buxx and getting an arguably better no-fuss HDR image with the HT3550. The HT5550 is incrementally better in almost every than the HT3550. If you have an extra grand you'll get better placement flexibility, color, and marginally better contrast with the HT5550.

Hope that helps... other things to consider is the placement requirements of each and usually design doesn't go into decision making but I've known some to return the Epsons due to the behemoth chassis alone. But that shouldn't dissuade most people.
That helps alot thanks. My HT3550 has really grown on me now that I've got it tweaked out and worked out all the kinks and stuff. My HT is my family room but I have it to the point where it's light controlled enough that the HT3550 is bright enough.

I really want the HT5550 though. I'm just worried about losing brightness due to the 200 less lumens. Is this a non issue do you think? I had seen somewhere that the HT5550 is better suited for darker rooms.

Does the HT5550 with 200 less lumens, make better use of it's overall brightness do you think?
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Months of waiting and anticipation and finally it is upon us! I assume that coming from a Benq W1080ST paired with a 125" 16x9 screen and going to the Epson 5050UB and 158" 2.35:1 screen will completely alter my life and reality as I know it.
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#1 make or break in this flow-chart of a decision is the viewing environment. If it's a bright room with ambient light and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#2 make or break; if gaming and sports are really at the top of your list and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#3 if neither 1 or 2 and viewing in darkened or low ambient light I will most often recommend the BenQ as I feel they represent the better value in for this viewing type. Especially the HT3550.
Hm... I don't think I can agree with this. The higher contrast and better blacks of the Epson will be diminished in a room with ambient light. The Epson should be first choice in a blacked out room and even in a room with low ambient light.
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Pricing

On the Epson website this morning, the wireless one is $300 cheaper? Not sure why but the pricing is:

5050UBe = $2,999.99

5050UB = $3,299.99
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Is the wireless version 18gbps also?


I was ready to go with a 295 4K Sony but the lack of iris control concerned me. I have a 5040UBE now and by the time I sell that the Epson is half the cost. I'd say our watching is 50/50 1080 to 4K but it is almost all streamed 4K. We watched our 4th UHD BD of the year last night. Our 1080p content is almost all sports besides the news.


We usually stream movies unless it is something like a high special effects then we buy the BD. If its a comedy or something like that it gets streamed.


120" screen, projector sits 18' away, blacked out room however we do have white carpet and olive walls.


My only complaint on the 5040 is it is useless for HDR content, no amount of tweaking has ever gotten it bright enough for us to watch. I'd move up to the 5050 for that part alone.
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How does this Epson compare to the Sony VPL-vw695es?

I was planning to go with this Sony projector, but it retails for 4x the price ($12,999 US) compared to this Epson. I am not sure what the Sony offers for its huge price premium aside from True 4K performance, which seems to be marginally discernible when compared to the Epson's sensor shift technology. Furthermore, the Sony is only 1800 lumens, compared to 2600 lumens for this Epson! Sony lists dynamic contrast 350,000:1 but Epson lists 1 million:1 (not sure how the Sony real world values compare to what Mark measured with this Epson). Both have lens memory.

The Epson sounds like a great projector. What does the Sony offer that the Epson cannot match?
It's 4 times the price but only 2 times better. Native Contrast is probably around the 15000-20000:1 so basically 2-2.5 times better than the Epson, it's image is 2 times as sharp but this you'll really only notice either sitting closer than normal or with a larger than normal screen size.

Areas where the Epson actually beats the Sony is probably HDR colour accuracy and brightness.

If you have the money to burn then why wouldn't you get the Sony as it will be better overall but don't expect it's price to reflect the same improvement in performance but it doesn't work that way.

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3300 for the 5050 now? That’s new. Makes the 3550 BenQ look like that much of a better value imo. Too bad I need the vertical lens shift of either the Epson 5050 or BenQ 5550. Ugh.

It has been stated on here that the 5550 handles motion slightly better than the 5050 and is also noticeably sharper. Can someone clarify why the 5050 is better for sports viewing? I realize it puts out better contrast and deeper blacks, so is that why it’s recommended over the BenQ for sports viewing?

My personal planner usage - 75+% movies and the rest split between gaming and sports. 100” screen sitting about 8-9ft away in light controlled room (i.e. minimum to no light).

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3300 for the 5050 now? That’s new. Makes the 3550 BenQ look like that much of a better value imo. Too bad I need the vertical lens shift of either the Epson 5050 or BenQ 5550. Ugh.

It has been stated on here that the 5550 handles motion slightly better than the 5050 and is also noticeably sharper. Can someone clarify why the 5050 is better for sports viewing? I realize it puts out better contrast and deeper blacks, so is that why it’s recommended over the BenQ for sports viewing?

My personal planner usage - 75+% movies and the rest split between gaming and sports. 100” screen sitting about 8-9ft away in light controlled room (i.e. minimum to no light).
I'm guessing that's a mistake on the Epson website because the msrp for the 5050UB is 3000, the 5050UBe is $3300.

DLP renders motion best, this is generally acknowledged to be the case.

My argument for this projector, for sports, boils down to the extra lumens and how I like to watch sports with some ambient lighting, unlike movies.
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I will be calibrating the Epson Pro Cinema 5050UB upon return from a 4-day trip and getting into using it with the Seymour-Screen Excellence Ambient Visionaire Black (0.9 gain) wide viewing angle ambient light rejecting screen. There are clearly plenty of lumens available to make the jump from 1.3-gain to 0.9 gain and filling a 119" diagonal screen with both SDR and HDR imagery that pops.
Is there any way you can do A/B comparison with a JVC when you do your next review?

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I'm guessing that's a mistake on the Epson website because the msrp for the 5050UB is 3000, the 5050UBe is $3300.



DLP renders motion best, this is generally acknowledged to be the case.



My argument for this projector, for sports, boils down to the extra lumens and how I like to watch sports with some ambient lighting, unlike movies.


This.

5050 for sports because of the brightness.

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But saying that "this not being a full UHD projector is practically irrelevant" discredits the review's comments about how much better the 4K Enhancement looks compared to off. 1080 is to 4Ke as 4Ke is to full UHD. Having 8.3M pixels on screen vs 4.15M pixels on screen IS relevant... if not for the deeper color space, what else is the push for 4K for? Especially for our massive projector screens?
Meh. Neither of my parents were part eagle. As such, 4k does nothing for me. I'd be perfectly fine with a 1080p PJ that has all the fancy new color spaces, and the like. Even when sitting in front of a 10' screen.
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Placed my order for the 5050UBe on Epson’s website. Was going between that and the 5550, so based on the feedback, I pulled the trigger on the Epson. Looking forward to it!
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I have spent a lot of time with all 3... man that's a tough one. This is all subject to change but here's a dumbed down version of my mental flow chart if I personally had to decide which one to get.

#1 make or break in this flow-chart of a decision is the viewing environment. If it's a bright room with ambient light and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#2 make or break; if gaming and sports are really at the top of your list and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#3 if neither 1 or 2 and viewing in darkened or low ambient light I will most often recommend the BenQ as I feel they represent the better value in for this viewing type. Especially the HT3550.

Things to consider....and this is really really high level so glossing over stuff here....

If movie watching is primary content and 4K HDR content makes up the bulk of and movie watching is at the top of your list, I personally prefer the auto HDR tone mapping of the HT3550 and HT550.

Then there is the cost. HT3550 is $1,499. HT5550 is $2,499. 5050UB is $2,999. So if you can afford the $3k, the Epson is the best all-rounder. But if you are in a darker environment and viewing is mostly movies, tv shows, etc.... I'd recommend saving some buxx and getting an arguably better no-fuss HDR image with the HT3550. The HT5550 is incrementally better in almost every than the HT3550. If you have an extra grand you'll get better placement flexibility, color, and marginally better contrast with the HT5550.

Hope that helps... other things to consider is the placement requirements of each and usually design doesn't go into decision making but I've known some to return the Epsons due to the behemoth chassis alone. But that shouldn't dissuade most people.

So @scottyroo ... Is the HT5550 worth $1,000.00 more than the HT3550 if it's in a darkened room used primarily for 4K HDR movie watching?
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Is there any way you can do A/B comparison with a JVC when you do your next review?
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Pricing mistake??

I believe you are right that is a mistake on Epson's part, but as of 1:20pm Eastern, it is still showing the wireless as $300 cheaper.
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I saw that it was 4 grand on Best Buy. Wonder how it’s black level and contrast compare to nx7? Time to do some 540 vs nx7 comparison googling tonight I suppose. Part of me just wants to get the nx7 or 695 and skip any chance of buyers remorse.
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How would this compare to (how much better than) my Epson 8350? Is it a worthy successor or should I wait for native 4K units to come down in price? Such is the dilemma of my life...

Nevermind, I'm waiting for native 4KHFR120 projectors. Gotta stay strong!!
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Comparison 5050 vs 5040


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The colors are better and a little sharper but after three years I would expect more.

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Placed my order for the 5050UBe on Epson’s website. Was going between that and the 5550, so based on the feedback, I pulled the trigger on the Epson. Looking forward to it!
You probably got a great deal on the 5050ube because there was a pricing error on their website which had the 5050ube listed for $2,999 instead of $3,299 which is what it should have been. The 5050 was incorrectly priced at $3,299. It should have been $2,999.
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The motorized lens with memory is in nice feature, especially if you have a 2.40:1 aspect ratio screen. You can enjoy many widescreen Hollywood movies zoomed in, so that the image fills the screen; no anamorphic lens required. And when you watch 16:9 aspect films, TV, or play video games, you can have the projector zoom out and fully show the 16:9 aspect ratio.

Thoughtfully, Epson has included dedicated buttons for the first two lens memory positions (out of 10 total), so if you have implemented a 2.40:1 screen, switching between that and 16:9 ratios only requires a single button push.
So still no auto changing of the lens memories based on incoming AR? Panasonic was doing this well over 10 years ago. My Panny 4000 had 3 named lens positions (4:3. 16:9 and 235) that could be set and based on AR would automatically change to the correct setting....no button push. This was true CIH with a widescreen. This is my one disappointment with my upgrade to the 5040. I'd bet it could be done through a FW update.

How do we (OK, I) get a feature request in to Epson? I don't see anything on their site.

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On paper, the 5050UB is not a significant improvement over its [5040UB] predecessor. The reality is quite different. [...]

Welcome to a brave new world where HDR looks killer! [...]

Thanks to the Tone mapping, and a touch more brightness claimed (we’ll post our full measurements for the full review), the HC5050UB is easily a significant step up in picture quality for 4K content with HDR and P3. [...]

With the older UB, many enthusiasts calibrating their own projectors chose to rely on the brighter Bright Cinema mode for HDR (sacrificing the wider P3 color gamut). I admit that is a tempting solution, although I mostly stuck to viewing with Digital Cinema, with barely half the overall brightness. With the Home Cinema 5050UB, however, even Digital Cinema HDR content looked definitely bright enough at my full 124” diagonal image size! [...]

When it comes to the overall picture quality (specifically 4K with HDR), the Home Cinema 5050UB produces a real, and obvious improvement over the best results I could come up with in 2+ years of playing with the 5040UB. Most of that folks, is due to the new tone mapping.

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Yup, I'm impressed with how HDR is handled, with the 5050UB you can easily tweak the HDR picture to your liking and to what's suitable for a given screen and viewing environment. This is key for projected HDR.
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In that price range, you might want to consider JVC X790R/RS540. With street price now under $4k, it costs only slightly more than the $3k 5050UB, but has a much better contrast and black level than pretty much anything else. Even the NX5 doesn't come close, although with NX5 you get native 4K resolution.
My Question is along these lines.

I'm on a waiting list for JVC X790R. I'm projecting on a 150" Screen (dark room), from a distance of 15' - 17' and sit 12' from the screen. 100% Movies & TV only. No gaming.

The price difference isn't huge for me. I want the better projector out of the two. 3D is also important for me.

If price is not a big issue, is it better to go with JVC X790R or Epson 5050UB?

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You probably got a great deal on the 5050ube because there was a pricing error on their website which had the 5050ube listed for $2,999 instead of $3,299 which is what it should have been. The 5050 was incorrectly priced at $3,299. It should have been $2,999.
Yes, I am quite happy. The HT3550 seems to be a great value but unfortunately didn’t fit my needs. The wireless capability of the 5050ube is something that I will personally appreciate because I don’t have a dedicated theater space (it’s more of a gameroom) and my gaming console (standard Xbox one) and sports watching via my cable provider (mostly NFL/NHL) will now be able to be done w/o having to run a long HDMI cable to the back of the room where my projector will sit. I’ll just do that when I want to watch an 4K HDR UHD Blu-ray movie I assume (if that’s even beneficial - - prob only worth it for hdr and/or gaming on something like an Xbox one X - true?). I am still a little unclear what the wireless card in the Ube can accept. I read [email protected] so I assume that does not include hdr and p3 color but not sure. I am guessing it’s a bandwidth issue (maybe the wireless hdmi is more like hdmi 1.4a than 2.0?) Anyway, it’ll be of a great benefit to me. Using ebates and a cashback cc provided a little extra savings as well.

Definitely looking forward to it. Never owned a projector before, so the weekend cannot come soon enough.

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