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Hi I magic, would you be able to test input lag @ 1080p 120hz. I'm looking for a projector with great contrast and low input lag for PC gaming on a large screen. In addition, would the response time be acceptable compared to a lcd. I currently own a vizio pq65 but would like a larger screen without paying upwards of 7 to 8,000 dollars. I've never owned a projector so forgive my ignorance.
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I'm going to try to ask this as delicately as I can so as not to break the rules. Based on prior projector releases, any guesses on how long this will stay at MSRP before the numbers get better? I'm having a hard time with a 1k (+ extra bulb) difference between this and the 5040. 500 I can stomach, but 1k premium is a little spicy.
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In that price range, you might want to consider JVC X790R/RS540. With street price now under $4k, it costs only slightly more than the $3k 5050UB, but has a much better contrast and black level than pretty much anything else. Even the NX5 doesn't come close, although with NX5 you get native 4K resolution.
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My Question is along these lines.

I'm on a waiting list for JVC X790R. I'm projecting on a 150" Screen (dark room), from a distance of 15' - 17' and sit 12' from the screen. 100% Movies & TV only. No gaming.

The price difference isn't huge for me. I want the better projector out of the two. 3D is also important for me.

If price is not a big issue, is it better to go with JVC X790R or Epson 5050UB?

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I don't really understand why no one is comparing the 5050UB to the JVC NX5 or NX7 or X790 etc. is it that its no contest, and all the JVC's destroy the Epson 5050 ? and yes i understand the JVC cost more.
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I don't really understand why no one is comparing the 5050UB to the JVC NX5 or NX7 or X790 etc. is it that its no contest, and all the JVC's destroy the Epson 5050 ? and yes i understand the JVC cost more.
Why would anyone want to compare the two brands anyway? This is like saying, "I can't believe nobody compares a Dodge Charger to a Lamborghini...because the Lambo destroys and yes I know it costs four times more". Better product = more money. So why would you compare the two at all if they are at different price points?
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GREAT hands-on review! I just have one point that I was frustrated with...

Your comment quoted above IS relevant. I am also testing the 5050UB and I agree with most every point in this review. This is a fantastic projector but I wish notable reviewers would stop giving 1080x2 e-shift a pass and put some pressure on the leading consumer projector manufacturer. It's ok to critique one of the only drawbacks on what will undoubtedly will be one of the most popular projectors this year. The review acknowledges that 1080x2 e-shift is markedly better than 1080p content as a baseline. Agreed. But saying that "this not being a full UHD projector is practically irrelevant" discredits the review's comments about how much better the 4K Enhancement looks compared to off. 1080 is to 4Ke as 4Ke is to full UHD. Having 8.3M pixels on screen vs 4.15M pixels on screen IS relevant... if not for the deeper color space, what else is the push for 4K for? Especially for our massive projector screens?

The fact that this does 1080x2 is totally fine by the way. It's a great picture all things considered. My point here is that yes, PQ has so much more than just resolution... but with hat said, knocking it for not producing 8.3M discrete pixels is not a bad thing in an objective review.

Context: I am also testing the Epson 5050UB and went into this Epson with several assurances from folks "you won't notice in normal viewing". Sitting from 16 feet on my 160" 16:9 screen, I can absolutely notice the difference in resolution comparing this Epson to a sharp 1080x4 shifter.
A number of respected reviewers (Kris Deering for example) have compared the JVC e-shift projectors against true Sony 4K projectors with 4K material and have stated that from a normal seating distance they could not tell the difference. The reviewers over at AV Forums also stated exactly the same thing.

I remember testing my XGA projector in 2003 or 2004 with 1080p and was floored how good a pixel starved projector could look with good source material . -- in fact it looked as good with 1080p material as my Sony G90 CRT projector, except for the black floor). I realized it wasn't necessarily the quantity of the pixels that was important but the quality of the pixels. Once you get to a certain number of a pixels the law of diminishing returns kicks in and the quality becomes the determining factor (IMO).

Are we going to claim that 16K is going to look better than 8K? Probably. If it does it won't be because of pixel density (just more marketing hype IMO) but rather the result of other factors (better contrast etc.). Personally I'd rather have a JVC e-shift laser projector than a JVC lamp based 4K projector.
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Epson Home Cinema 5050UB 4K PRO-UHD HDR Projector Hands-On Review

I’m in la Canada... where can I buy this?? What’s the $$$ damage in CAN?


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I’m in la Canada... where can I buy this?? What’s the $$$ damage in CAN?
I'm thinking it'll retail for CA$3999. I only go to Eastporters in Oakville.
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on't really understand why no one is comparing the 5050UB to the JVC NX5 or NX7 or X790 etc. is it that its no contest, and all the JVC's destroy the Epson 5050 ? and yes i understand the JVC cost more.
Different price points especially when comparing lamp replacement costs. Plus Epson more lumens for those who need it especially as lamps dim with age.
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Hi I magic, would you be able to test input lag @ 1080p 120hz. I'm looking for a projector with great contrast and low input lag for PC gaming on a large screen. In addition, would the response time be acceptable compared to a lcd. I currently own a vizio pq65 but would like a larger screen without paying upwards of 7 to 8,000 dollars. I've never owned a projector so forgive my ignorance.
You are in the right spot.

The Epson 5050UB is going to have the fastest input lag of any projector that can display more than 2 million pixels and accept a 4K input. However, this projector does not support 1080p at 120hz. At 1080p 60hz the input lag I measured is 26ms.

If you are looking for a full 4K UHD 8.3M discrete pixel projector, the BenQ TK800M has the fastest input lag among those projectors. I measured 42ms. At 4k60hz in HDR expect 42ms. I have tested 1080p120hz and the higher refresh rate shaves 8ms off the draw time. So 34ms.

If you are looking for a 1080p only projector that can do 120hz, look at the BenQ HT2150ST, 2050a, or TH671ST. All of those project at a relatively low throw ratio and have 8ms input lag at 1080p120hz and 16ms input lag at 108060hz.

If you are looking for a 1080p projector capable of accepting a 4k HDR signal but still projecting a 1080p signal (can also do HDR), the Optoma HD27HDR has 8ms input lag at 1080p120hz and 16ms input lag at 108060hz.

Re: you question on whether or not it would be acceptable compared to an LCD, it totally depends. The PQ65 has measured input lag of 15ms. You would be hard pressed to tell a difference between the Vizio and the Epson 5050 at 26ms. The TK800M you may feel a difference but the TK800M is still very fast as far as 4K projectors go.
Thank you scottyroo. I wasn't aware the benq 2150st handled 1080p 120fps. Is it full rgb 444?
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On the Epson website this morning, the wireless one is $300 cheaper? Not sure why but the pricing is:

5050UBe = $2,999.99

5050UB = $3,299.99
Yes... I saw that too. I ordered the 5050UBe because it was cheaper. I believe they have since corrected this on the website. As for me, it looks like I got $300 off a projector with wireless capabilities that I won’t use
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Why would anyone want to compare the two brands anyway? This is like saying, "I can't believe nobody compares a Dodge Charger to a Lamborghini...because the Lambo destroys and yes I know it costs four times more". Better product = more money. So why would you compare the two at all if they are at different price points?
Because mickey79 specifically said the price difference didn't matter to him, and wanted to know which one would suit his needs better. Why is that so hard to understand?
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I have a dumb question, I am days away from putting up the first wall in my basement/theater build. I plan to place the projector high up on a shelf inside a media closet projecting through a cutout about the size of the projector to prevent ceiling mounting and fan noise. It will be around 20' away from the screen if that matters. Is it possible to place a pane of glass over the hole in the wall without the projected image getting effected? If I could cover that cutout I'm sure I could reduce sound even more. I'm so excited to get the 5050 in the coming months!
I have an 8” porthole in the wall behind my viewing area to a closet where my pj (JVC x500) is mounted about 7’ up. I love the setup, and I don’t need glass as all the sound bounces off the opposite side of the wall and is absorbed by coats hanging in there (well away from pj)...you might want to try it without the glass first...plus, that pj needs fresh air if you don’t have an AC duct in there! Good luck!
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I don't really understand why no one is comparing the 5050UB to the JVC NX5 or NX7 or X790 etc. is it that its no contest, and all the JVC's destroy the Epson 5050 ? and yes i understand the JVC cost more.
I agree. I'm strongly considering going from a JVC 4910U to an Epson 5050UB due to the 4K HDR, more brightness, and price point. BUT I'm coming from a JVC so its a large sacrifice in blacks it would make me rethink to a 790. By the sounds of it there's a difference but likely not large. Reading Scottyroo's reviews it makes me wonder if I go the fauxK or look at the NX7, this one I'm less sure on with 130" wide scope screen(plan) at 13 or so feet.

Yes, they are different budgets but the 790 now is a comparable price point to the 5050 IMO. The NX7 is a jump up; if I buy the Epson it'll happen soon, but the NX7 would be a few months to a year from now. The pricepoint difference becomes less significant when I compare a 5-10 year projector vs if I'm not fully satisfied and find the need to replace in 2-4 years.
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You probably got a great deal on the 5050ube because there was a pricing error on their website which had the 5050ube listed for $2,999 instead of $3,299 which is what it should have been. The 5050 was incorrectly priced at $3,299. It should have been $2,999.
Yes, I am quite happy. The HT3550 seems to be a great value but unfortunately didn’t fit my needs. The wireless capability of the 5050ube is something that I will personally appreciate because I don’t have a dedicated theater space (it’s more of a gameroom) and my gaming console (standard Xbox one) and sports watching via my cable provider (mostly NFL/NHL) will now be able to be done w/o having to run a long HDMI cable to the back of the room where my projector will sit. I’ll just do that when I want to watch an 4K HDR UHD Blu-ray movie I assume (if that’s even beneficial - - prob only worth it for hdr and/or gaming on something like an Xbox one X - true?). I am still a little unclear what the wireless card in the Ube can accept. I read [email protected] so I assume that does not include hdr and p3 color but not sure. I am guessing it’s a bandwidth issue (maybe the wireless hdmi is more like hdmi 1.4a than 2.0?) Anyway, it’ll be of a great benefit to me. Using ebates and a cashback cc provided a little extra savings as well.

Definitely looking forward to it. Never owned a projector before, so the weekend cannot come soon enough. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
The 5050ub e does not do the 18 gbps. Some sites stream HDR at 30fps Vudu would be an example when using a Roku ultra player. Even the same streaming service might stream HDR at different frame rates depending on the media player. So doing some research on the frame rates of different sites like Netflix Vudu and Amazon Prime for streaming HDR can have you prepared for what to expect. That is the only drawback I saw with going with the wireless version of the 5050 is you would not have that 60 frame rate for streaming HDR depending upon the site.
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The 5050ub e does not do the 18 gbps. Some sites stream HDR at 30fps Vudu would be an example when using a Roku ultra player. Even the same streaming service might stream HDR at different frame rates depending on the media player. So doing some research on the frame rates of different sites like Netflix Vudu and Amazon Prime for streaming HDR can have you prepared for what to expect. That is the only drawback I saw with going with the wireless version of the 5050 is you would not have that 60 frame rate for streaming HDR depending upon the site.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but I plan to run the hdmi cable to the projector to get the 18gbps if/when I need it (for hdr and/or 60fps 4K). It’s not like the 5050ube only offers the wireless option and doesn’t also offer the 18gbps hdmi 2.0 port. Thanks for your input nonetheless. 8)
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The 5050ub e does not do the 18 gbps. Some sites stream HDR at 30fps Vudu would be an example when using a Roku ultra player. Even the same streaming service might stream HDR at different frame rates depending on the media player. So doing some research on the frame rates of different sites like Netflix Vudu and Amazon Prime for streaming HDR can have you prepared for what to expect. That is the only drawback I saw with going with the wireless version of the 5050 is you would not have that 60 frame rate for streaming HDR depending upon the site.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but I plan to run the hdmi cable to the projector to get the 18gbps if/when I need it (for hdr and/or 60fps 4K). It’s not like the 5050ube only offers the wireless option and doesn’t also offer the 18gbps hdmi 2.0 port. Thanks for your input nonetheless. 8)
Please accept my apologies I was only referring to the wireless capability of the 5050 because the 5050ub and the 5050ub are the same exact unit except for the wireless pack that comes with the Ube so yes you will definitely still be able to run a cable when needed or when desired so you can do 60 frames per second for HDR.
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Any comments on fan noise? My PJ sits right above my head.
Interested in this question. I'm new to projectors and had no idea they made noise. I bought the Optoma UHD-65, the picture is nothing short of amazing but the projector has a whining noise - it is also above and behind my head. I can only hear it in quieter scenes nut it bugs me. Is this normal and is there anything I can do about it?
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Interested in this question. I'm new to projectors and had no idea they made noise. I bought the Optoma UHD-65, the picture is nothing short of amazing but the projector has a whining noise - it is also above and behind my head. I can only hear it in quieter scenes nut it bugs me. Is this normal and is there anything I can do about it?
You can lower the output of the bulb to ECO (economy). Not sure that is what Optoma calls the mode. It extends the life of the bulb, lowers light output, and it produces less heat, therefore less fan.

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For calculating the throw needed, should you add 17 inches of distance from the wall due to the size of the projector? I'm trying to get a 110 inch picture in 12 foot wide room. Projectorcentral calculator says 10.10 feet needed...going to be close. Damn gigantic projector...
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You can lower the output of the bulb to ECO (economy). Not sure that is what Optoma calls the mode. It extends the life of the bulb, lowers light output, and it produces less heat, therefore less fan.
Thanks for the advice. I have however tried that and still find it noisy. Is it normal for that type of projector?
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I don't really understand why no one is comparing the 5050UB to the JVC NX5 or NX7 or X790 etc. is it that its no contest, and all the JVC's destroy the Epson 5050 ? and yes i understand the JVC cost more.
In the UK and Europe the TW9400 (5050ub) has been out since the start of the year and quite a few members on AVForums have had side by side demos between the Epson and JVC N5 (both fully calibrated), surprisedly a significant number has favoured the Epson. This isn’t to say it’s actually outperforming the JVC the more likely outcome is the difference between them is much smaller than their respective price gap would suggest.

You really need to demand the improvements the JVC offers above everything else to really pick it over the Epson.

More shocking was one member how preferred the Epson was an X7900 owner who really should be someone who demands contrast and black levels above all else so for that person to pick the Epson speaks volumes for the achievement Epson have done with the TW9400.

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How does this Epson compare to the Sony VPL-vw695es?

I was planning to go with this Sony projector, but it retails for 4x the price ($12,999 US) compared to this Epson. I am not sure what the Sony offers for its huge price premium aside from True 4K performance, which seems to be marginally discernible when compared to the Epson's sensor shift technology. Furthermore, the Sony is only 1800 lumens, compared to 2600 lumens for this Epson! Sony lists dynamic contrast 350,000:1 but Epson lists 1 million:1 (not sure how the Sony real world values compare to what Mark measured with this Epson). Both have lens memory.

The Epson sounds like a great projector. What does the Sony offer that the Epson cannot match?
The Sony will have a sharper image and better contrast, but definitely not worth that much more money, no way! The Epson 5050UB is incredible, by any standard.

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Thanks for the advice. I have however tried that and still find it noisy. Is it normal for that type of projector?
I have no experience with that particular PJ, but yes. Fan noise is a thing on them. It can be anything from a whirling noise to a more high pitched whining noise.
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GREAT hands-on review! I just have one point that I was frustrated with...

Your comment quoted above IS relevant. I am also testing the 5050UB and I agree with most every point in this review. This is a fantastic projector but I wish notable reviewers would stop giving 1080x2 e-shift a pass and put some pressure on the leading consumer projector manufacturer. It's ok to critique one of the only drawbacks on what will undoubtedly will be one of the most popular projectors this year. The review acknowledges that 1080x2 e-shift is markedly better than 1080p content as a baseline. Agreed. But saying that "this not being a full UHD projector is practically irrelevant" discredits the review's comments about how much better the 4K Enhancement looks compared to off. 1080 is to 4Ke as 4Ke is to full UHD. Having 8.3M pixels on screen vs 4.15M pixels on screen IS relevant... if not for the deeper color space, what else is the push for 4K for? Especially for our massive projector screens?

The fact that this does 1080x2 is totally fine by the way. It's a great picture all things considered. My point here is that yes, PQ has so much more than just resolution... but with hat said, knocking it for not producing 8.3M discrete pixels is not a bad thing in an objective review.

Context: I am also testing the Epson 5050UB and went into this Epson with several assurances from folks "you won't notice in normal viewing". Sitting from 16 feet on my 160" 16:9 screen, I can absolutely notice the difference in resolution comparing this Epson to a sharp 1080x4 shifter.
Apparently (and I am sorry I cannot remember where I read this, probably somewhere here on AVS - I think this is based on someone who had a conversation with someone at Epson at a trade show) there are issues with creating either a true 4K lcd or 1080p x 4 lcd optical block. With the true 4k, the space between pixels required to get the electronics to each individual pixel would make the size of the optical block need to be quite big to allow enough enough light to pass through the panel apparently. And I believe that the refresh rate of the lcd panels are not good enough for 1080p x4 lcd shifter to work well. I wonder if they could do 1080p x 4 at 24p only or something like that. Or maybe there is some interim effective resolution between 1080p x 2 and true 4k that could be achieved with maintaining light output

The point being that I guarantee that Epson is trying to make something with a higher resolution that increases performance over their current 1080p eshifters - does not seem like they are quite there yet.

While 1080p e-shift at usual distances seems to approach what the human eye can distinguish for most people based on articles and such, when you read actual comparisons of 1080p e-shift to the 4k DLPs the reviewers can usually distinguish increased sharpness in the DLPs and better contrast in the Epson. Personally, I need to push my glasses up on my nose every 20-30 min or so to perceive the full sharpness of my 5040 so I am not sure that I am missing much!

Here are my 2 big questions about the 5050 - Is motion better? I get judder from 24p content output from nvidia shield via plex. This may be a shield issue not sure. I know that this should not be the case but judder is improved from shield if I force output to 60p.

The other question i have is if the tone mapping on the 5050 projector is any better than the tone mapping on the panasonic DMP-UB200 (or UB900) HD blu-ray players?

It is great to see Epson putting out another well priced excellent projector. I will be watching things over the next few months to see if it is worth it to upgrade from 5040ub.

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Why would anyone want to compare the two brands anyway? This is like saying, "I can't believe nobody compares a Dodge Charger to a Lamborghini...because the Lambo destroys and yes I know it costs four times more". Better product = more money. So why would you compare the two at all if they are at different price points?
I beg to differ, Sir, I believe you're terribly mistaken and very likely uninformed.

Traditionally, Epson's & JVC's do not fall in the same price bracket, nor in the same category, and therefore quite justifiably, do not augment a direct comparison in most cases. I had a private discussion with a highly reputable & trusted member of this forum, who as well admitted to much the same.

However, this is a very different and somewhat unique scenario.

I, personally, am not asking for Epson 5050UB to be compared to JVC NX7. That I believe is a little stretch. A comparison between Epson 5050UB and JVC NX5 would probably be a matter of perspective, that is to say, how much does one consider a gap of $1,500 - $2,000 in terms of PQ and other needs. Again, perhaps a slight stretch but maybe not so much.

However, I personally was asking for a direct comparison between Epson 5050UB & JVC X790R. Do you even know what the JVC X790R's are going for? Have you made any phone calls, done any research? I'm not talking about the price on Best Buy or Newegg, I'm talking about authorized dealers. I can't (and won't) mention dealer pricing openly on a forum (it's against the rules & a void of trust), but you can easily call up a couple AVS Sponsor Dealers and get the price.

Your 'Dodge Charger vs Lamborghini' analogy is so wildly incorrect & inaccurate, it's laughable. We're talking about a few hundred dollars here, Sir, not a couple hundred grand. Mind you though, OT, those Chargers when spiffed up can be really mean, mighty machines.

Right, back to the point.

I have come across several people waiting in line for a JVC X790R off late. It's what's been called the "Projector to have". It's been beating it's successor, NX5, in several cases (not true 4K though).

However, the Epson 5050UB has thrown a slight curve ball to most of us.

I'm hearing nothing but really good things about 5050UB. What with the Epson finally dropping the 18Gbps HDMI, and it's lumens by far trumping X790R. Both being faux K, with competing HDR. I must say, considering the small gap of pricing and both Projectors having their own Pros & Cons against each other - I don't believe a direct comparison between Epson 5050UB & JVC X790R would be a luxury, I consider it borderlining necessity. Heck, I would even go as far as to say, considering the number of people in line for an X790R who are now taking a close, sharp look at 5050UB, I think it would be even more suitable for this comparison to be printed than one between Epson 5050Ub & BenQ HT3550 (or HT5550). Not just for the JVC waitlister(s), but perhaps even the prospective BenQ buyers.

On all accounts, I don't believe you did your research, nor understood the implications.

I certainly implore anyone who has, or can provide any direct comparison or knowledge, on the various features, aspects & performance, between the Epson 5050Ub & JVC X790r to please come forward. It would be highly valuable.

If I'm not mistaken the new batches of JVC X790r (Possibly the last ones) are in the oven and expected to ship out end of this month. So we have some time.

Thanks.
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I beg to differ, Sir, I believe you're terribly mistaken and very likely uninformed.

Traditionally, Epson's & JVC's do not fall in the same price bracket, nor in the same category, and therefore quite justifiably, do not augment a direct comparison in most cases. I had a private discussion with a highly reputable & trusted member of this forum, who as well admitted to much the same.

However, this is a very different and somewhat unique scenario.

I, personally, am not asking for Epson 5050UB to be compared to JVC NX7. That I believe is a little stretch. A comparison between Epson 5050UB and JVC NX5 would probably be a matter of perspective, that is to say, how much does one consider a gap of $1,500 - $2,000 in terms of PQ and other needs. Again, perhaps a slight stretch but maybe not so much.

However, I personally was asking for a direct comparison between Epson 5050UB & JVC X790R. Do you even know what the JVC X790R's are going for? Have you made any phone calls, done any research? I'm not talking about the price on Best Buy or Newegg, I'm talking about authorized dealers. I can't (and won't) mention dealer pricing openly on a forum (it's against the rules & a void of trust), but you can easily call up a couple AVS Sponsor Dealers and get the price.

Your 'Dodge Charger vs Lamborghini' analogy is so wildly incorrect & inaccurate, it's laughable. We're talking about a few hundred dollars here, Sir, not a couple hundred grand. Mind you though, OT, those Chargers when spiffed up can be really mean, mighty machines.

Right, back to the point.

I have come across several people waiting in line for a JVC X790R off late. It's what's been called the "Projector to have". It's been beating it's successor, NX5, in several cases (not true 4K though).

However, the Epson 5050UB has thrown a slight curve ball to most of us.

I'm hearing nothing but really good things about 5050UB. What with the Epson finally dropping the 18Gbps HDMI, and it's lumens by far trumping X790R. Both being faux K, with competing HDR. I must say, considering the small gap of pricing and both Projectors having their own Pros & Cons against each other - I don't believe a direct comparison between Epson 5050UB & JVC X790R would be a luxury, I consider it borderlining necessity. Heck, I would even go as far as to say, considering the number of people in line for an X790R who are now looking a close, sharp look at 5050UB, I think it would be even more suitable for this comparison to be printed than one between Epson 5050Ub & BenQ HT3550 (or HT5550). Not just for the JVC waitlister(s), but perhaps even the prospective BenQ buyers.

On all accounts, I don't believe you did your research, nor understood the implications.

I certainly implore anyone who has, or can provide any direct comparison or knowledge, on the various features, aspects & performance, between the Epson 5050Ub & JVC X790r to please come forward. It would be highly valuable.

If I'm not mistaken the new batches of JVC X790r (Possibly the last ones) are in the oven and expected to ship out end of this month. So we have some time.

Thanks.
Agree completely. The perceived gap between Epson and JVC, with the 5050 at least, has been blurred a bit. Especially when you consider the price difference between a 5050 and an nx7. Especially for those of us that like really nice gear - but also get a lot of joy out of a good value buy. Even the 5050 at MSRP is certainly appearing to present that with all the reviews.

I'd love to see a full 5050 vs NX5/NX7/695 test though.
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I have spent a lot of time with all 3... man that's a tough one. This is all subject to change but here's a dumbed down version of my mental flow chart if I personally had to decide which one to get.

#1 make or break in this flow-chart of a decision is the viewing environment. If it's a bright room with ambient light and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#2 make or break; if gaming and sports are really at the top of your list and you can afford it... Epson 5050.

#3 if neither 1 or 2 and viewing in darkened or low ambient light I will most often recommend the BenQ as I feel they represent the better value in for this viewing type. Especially the HT3550.

Things to consider....and this is really really high level so glossing over stuff here....

If movie watching is primary content and 4K HDR content makes up the bulk of and movie watching is at the top of your list, I personally prefer the auto HDR tone mapping of the HT3550 and HT550.

Then there is the cost. HT3550 is $1,499. HT5550 is $2,499. 5050UB is $2,999. So if you can afford the $3k, the Epson is the best all-rounder. But if you are in a darker environment and viewing is mostly movies, tv shows, etc.... I'd recommend saving some buxx and getting an arguably better no-fuss HDR image with the HT3550. The HT5550 is incrementally better in almost every than the HT3550. If you have an extra grand you'll get better placement flexibility, color, and marginally better contrast with the HT5550.

Hope that helps... other things to consider is the placement requirements of each and usually design doesn't go into decision making but I've known some to return the Epsons due to the behemoth chassis alone. But that shouldn't dissuade most people.
I'm commenting on this post as I just started reading this thread so I hope my comment hasn't already been made. Scotty, I think one could add a significant category to the 1,2,3 points and that is sports. All of the sports that I watch are bright and so black level and contrast are not a factor. Since DTV has started to broadcast more and more sports in 4K then the 3550 and 5550 are the better choice. They are also better at motion handling too.
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...I have come across several people waiting in line for a JVC X790R off late. It's what's been called the "Projector to have". It's been beating it's successor, NX5, in several cases (not true 4K though).

However, the Epson 5050UB has thrown a slight curve ball to most of us...

...I certainly implore anyone who has, or can provide any direct comparison or knowledge, on the various features, aspects & performance, between the Epson 5050Ub & JVC X790r to please come forward. It would be highly valuable...

Thanks.

In a (very tiny) nutshell: the JVC will have somewhat inkier blacks. The Epson will be somewhat brighter. Bat cave movie watchers who do not have unusually large screens may prefer the JVC. People who play games and stream in some ambient light, or who have huge screens, might prefer the Epson.

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In a (very tiny) nutshell: the JVC will have somewhat inkier blacks. The Epson will be somewhat brighter. Bat cave movie watchers who do not have unusually large screens may prefer the JVC. People who play games and stream in some ambient light, or who have huge screens, might prefer the Epson.

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Hi Joel,

Thanks for your response.

Just to expand on that a tad, I have a 150" screen, which is more in the 'huge' category; however, it is in a dark room. There is absolutely no Gaming. Strictly Movies & TV only. Streaming is basically Amazon Prime & Hulu, which is on a 4K FireTV plugged into the Denon X6300H Receiver.

Given that information, which one would you prefer? I ask because there's some overlap in the two above.

The next question is going to be, what about other features such as HDR implementation, Contrast, sharpness (especially with 4K content), as well as 3D performance?

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