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I thought I’d share this image from Aquaman, as you can see from the back of Aquaman you can still see some detail yet blacks are still deep.

BTW these are SDR settings from @Alaric that I’ve tweaked to suit my screen size/gain and projector distance to screen.
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I'm commenting on this post as I just started reading this thread so I hope my comment hasn't already been made. Scotty, I think one could add a significant category to the 1,2,3 points and that is sports. All of the sports that I watch are bright and so black level and contrast are not a factor. Since DTV has started to broadcast more and more sports in 4K then the 3550 and 5550 are the better choice. They are also better at motion handling too.


That’s a good point. I should probably add in screen size to my flow hart as well. For context, my recommendations are based on my 160” screen. For a screen that size it is hard to get a bright enough image on any projector with ambient light. So the Epson has that going for it since I can have the back half of my theater completely illuminated and it has enough horsepower to drive. For someone with a 100-120” screen they may never need to go into bright cinema mode on the 5050.

So my adjustment would be that people with 100-120” screen should not rule out the BenQ options if they have some ambient light. I have seen examples of the HT3550 in @subacabra ‘s setup where he has every lamp in his room on a 110”(?) screen and the HT3550 is absolutely cutting through all of that and putting a very watchable image up on the screen.

So bottom line is that for folks with 120” screen and less, the BenQ’s should work for you in pretty much any environment. The input lag isn’t that bad at 58ms, but if you are a heavy heavy gamer, have a 4K HDR 18gbps gaming setup, and still are limited to under $1,500, get the TK800M. The Epson 4000 could be considered for the sub $1,500 gaming if you don’t have anything that can push 18gbps. But It will not be as near as sharp or fluid as the TK800M. TK800M has budget blacks but is fantastic for sports and 4KHDR60 gaming. It is strangely the sharpest 4K projector I have seen. However, if you can afford $3k, I have a hard time not recommending the 5050 for it all rounder gaming chops. Hard to beat 22ms input lag for 4K gaming.

So with that context in mind.... hope that helps. I really enjoy the BenQ’s for the value packed in for the price. And the Epson for the same reason and how it competes with the $4-5k JVCs and Sony’s. The HT3550 and Epson 5050 especially punch above their weight.

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I thought I’d share this image from Aquaman, as you can see from the back of Aquaman you can still see some detail yet blacks are still deep.

BTW these are SDR settings from @Alaric that I’ve tweaked to suit my screen size/gain and projector distance to screen.
That looks really good. What is the source?
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That looks really good. What is the source?
Panasonic DP-UB420 which is a UK product and basically a scaled down version of the 820, plus it’s only a 1080p Blu-ray Disc with the Epson doing the upscaling.
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I have no experience with that particular PJ, but yes. Fan noise is a thing on them. It can be anything from a whirling noise to a more high pitched whining noise.
Thanks. It’s definitely the high pitched whine. At least I know it not faulty. Aything I can do to minimise the noise?
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I’m finally looking to upgrade. I have a benq w1070 that is now in a completely light controlled room. Carpet is a dark color and walls are a dark brown for now. May darken them at some point to a dark gray. I sit 11’ from a 120” screen. Mainly watch streaming content from my Apple TV 4k (shows, sports, movies) and if I want to fully appreciate a movie I’ll watch the disc through an Xbox one x. I was all for going to the epson but these comparisons to the benq 5550 has me thinking more. I can only put the projector about 15’ from the screen since my room is only 16’ long. Either way both would be a good bet and I’d probably end up getting a 5050 unless a good deal pops up on the 5550. Anything I’m possibly missing ?
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Looking for an upgrade

Current happy owner of the 5020UB which I added a new bulb and filter around December and have been very happy. I have a dedicated theater room, only watch movies, and recently purchased a new receiver and blu ray player so I can use UHD 4K disks to get the Atmos sound tracks. If I upgrade to the 5050UB will I see much of a change is PQ? My screen is AT and around 133" if I remember correctly and was sold as 4K ready. If anything I guess I would like to get better contrast/blacks than the current picture. My first row seating is about 16' from screen which is roughly where the project is fixed overhead.

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Got a demo of a 6040 at Best Buy today. Pretty impressive. Good color and contrast. May be trying one out when they come in.

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I’m finally looking to upgrade. I have a benq w1070 that is now in a completely light controlled room. Carpet is a dark color and walls are a dark brown for now. May darken them at some point to a dark gray. I sit 11’ from a 120” screen. Mainly watch streaming content from my Apple TV 4k (shows, sports, movies) and if I want to fully appreciate a movie I’ll watch the disc through an Xbox one x. I was all for going to the epson but these comparisons to the benq 5550 has me thinking more. I can only put the projector about 15’ from the screen since my room is only 16’ long. Either way both would be a good bet and I’d probably end up getting a 5050 unless a good deal pops up on the 5550. Anything I’m possibly missing ?


Speaking from experience, the Xbox is a terrible Blu Ray player. It does all video processing in RGB and essentially spits out a remuxed YUV Color Space. I got he Sony x700 and it is soooo much better mapping tones in HDR.

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One of the big advantages of the BenQ 5550 is the automatic HDR tone mapping. Can Epson add this on the 5050 via a firmware update via the internet or would it have to be done by sending it back for the upgrade? Can it be done at all?

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Speaking from experience, the Xbox is a terrible Blu Ray player. It does all video processing in RGB and essentially spits out a remuxed YUV Color Space. I got he Sony x700 and it is soooo much better mapping tones in HDR.


I have an LG I use for C7 since that was my initial 4k setup. Finally upgraded my receiver and other devices for upcoming 4k projector upgrade. I’ll look into a dedicated player after I get my projector.
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One of the big advantages of the BenQ 5550 is the automatic HDR tone mapping. Can Epson add this on the 5050 via a firmware update via the internet or would it have to be done by sending it back for the upgrade?


I completely agree. I have spent a ton of time with the 5050UB and the HT5550 and I looooovvvve how I never have to change my settings from my preferred HDR and SDR settings. Auto tone mapping makes every HDR movie look amazing without touching a thing. Not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a good HDR image, but I have to engage my preferred HDR mode multiple times every sitting. Kinda annoying.

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I completely agree. I have spent a ton of time with the 5050UB and the HT5550 and I looooovvvve how I never have to change my settings from my preferred HDR and SDR settings. Auto tone mapping makes every HDR movie look amazing without touching a thing. Not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a good HDR image, but I have to engage my preferred HDR mode multiple times every sitting. Kinda annoying.
Thanks for the agreement but the question remains. Can the 5050 be upgraded and how would it be done?

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Current happy owner of the 5020UB... If I upgrade to the 5050UB will I see much of a change is PQ?

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Thanks for the agreement but the question remains. Can the 5050 be upgraded and how would it be done?


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I was considering the BenQ HT3550, but the delayed release date is making me look at other options. Now looking at the 5050 and HT5550. I’m in Canada and the cost will be likely $4000 and $3500.

However, I stumbled upon a new JVC RS440 for $3500 and now considering this.

What are the thoughts on a 440 if the same price as the 5050 and 5550?

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Contacted my AV guy about getting me a 5050, and was also ooking at upgrading a screen too from a current 92" diagonal to 120".

I was looking at one of the Silver Ticket screens off Amazon, but my guy recommended Grandview....I don't know anything about them and was ready to pull the trigger on Silver ticket based on reviews and the price, but does anyone know anything about grandview?

He said its a 1.2 gain screen if that helps. Don't know if any certain screen would work better with a new 5050.

He also recommended an omnimount mount, but the two mounts I've seen mentioned most are the Chief or the Peerless.

Any advice on screen or mount would be much appreciated! Thanks

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How does 3D on the 5050 look? Some people said that the 5040/6040 models had bad ghosting. Since getting 3D is one of the main motivations for upgrading it's important that the projector has no ghosting.
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I completely agree. I have spent a ton of time with the 5050UB and the HT5550 and I looooovvvve how I never have to change my settings from my preferred HDR and SDR settings. Auto tone mapping makes every HDR movie look amazing without touching a thing. Not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a good HDR image, but I have to engage my preferred HDR mode multiple times every sitting. Kinda annoying.
Don’t fully understand this whole Auto tonal mapping thing. When you get a projector calibrated you are meant to stay the hell away from the settings, surely once you have settled on an HDR setting the same should be true???

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How does 3D on the 5050 look? Some people said that the 5040/6040 models had bad ghosting. Since getting 3D is one of the main motivations for upgrading it's important that the projector has no ghosting.
I've found the 3D to be the best I've had at home and I've tried a lot of 3D setups (even back to 480i!). I did buy the Epson branded glasses, which are pricey. I haven't noticed any ghosting or flicker and the 3D is much brighter than what I could get on my Panasonic 3D after market setup and what I can get on my Mitsubishi 65" DLP. The Epson is the first LCD I've had, so I can't compare to any other LCD projectors or TVs.

I did buy mine in February 2019, so I don't if there have been any FW updates that may have fixed earlier issues, but I've been quite happy with the 3D.

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I've found the 3D to be the best I've had at home and I've tried a lot of 3D setups (even back to 480i!). I did buy the Epson branded glasses, which are pricey. I haven't noticed any ghosting or flicker and the 3D is much brighter than what I could get on my Panasonic 3D after market setup and what I can get on my Mitsubishi 65" DLP. The Epson is the first LCD I've had, so I can't compare to any other LCD projectors or TVs.

I did buy mine in February 2019, so I don't if there have been any FW updates that may have fixed earlier issues, but I've been quite happy with the 3D.
Oh cool. I'll be sure to check out 3D on this projector, in that case.

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Don’t fully understand this whole Auto tonal mapping thing. When you get a projector calibrated you are meant to stay the hell away from the settings, surely once you have settled on an HDR setting the same should be true???
Auto tonemapping or tonemapping in general isn't changing your base gamma or other calibrated settings. 4K HDR titles are mastered with metadata that is meant to establish the range of the video. This isn't always accurate, is missing or exceeds what the device is capable. What auto-tonemapping is attempting to do is take this information and re-map the range into what the device can display. It's basically re-mapping the video data into the range the projector can display to keep it from clipping or appearing overly dark.

I'm using a Panasonic UB820 with my JVC RS520 and the auto tonemapping is a must. Especially with studios like Disney which neglect to provide any metadata whatsoever. Solo goes from looking dark and colorless to a very enjoyable 4K experience. Granted it's still not plug and play. Even with the Panasonic titles, like Solo, require some tweaking of the optimizer to look their best.

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I completely agree. I have spent a ton of time with the 5050UB and the HT5550 and I looooovvvve how I never have to change my settings from my preferred HDR and SDR settings. Auto tone mapping makes every HDR movie look amazing without touching a thing. Not to say the 5050 doesn’t have a good HDR image, but I have to engage my preferred HDR mode multiple times every sitting. Kinda annoying.

Can you give a comparison between the 5050 and HT5550 in how 3D looks?


Does the 5050UB have an RF out and does it do 3D at 144hz?
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Can you give a comparison between the 5050 and HT5550 in how 3D looks?


Does the 5050UB have an RF out and does it do 3D at 144hz?


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I was planning to go with this Sony projector, but it retails for 4x the price ($12,999 US)
Street price on the 695ES is $10K, so I'm not sure where you're getting that figure.
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I have to agree with Scottyroo, as a market we shouldnt give a pass for something marketed as 4k when it is in fact not 4k. They should market it as what its actually producing. I mean look at how annoying the Hard Drive market is... they market a 1TB hard drive using a base 10 method (I think) but in reality the storage is based 8 and so you dont get a 1TB drive you end up with a 976(or whatever)gb drive. Its stupid and should have never been marketed as such or allowed to be marketed as such. We shouldnt allow misinformation or mismarketing to be allowed.

That aside this still is an awesome projector though and I loved your review
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How does 3D on the 5050 look? Some people said that the 5040/6040 models had bad ghosting. Since getting 3D is one of the main motivations for upgrading it's important that the projector has no ghosting.

It seems to me there was a thread a while back about this exact topic on the 5040. Somebody finally found a setting to adjust/turn off which basically cleared it up universally from what I remember. What was the setting......I can't remember. I know, helpful. If you can go find the thread dedicated to the bad ghosting it's in there towards the end if I recall.
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It seems to me there was a thread a while back about this exact topic on the 5040. Somebody finally found a setting to adjust/turn off which basically cleared it up universally from what I remember. What was the setting......I can't remember. I know, helpful. If you can go find the thread dedicated to the bad ghosting it's in there towards the end if I recall.
Id definitely be interested in knowing what that setting is. 3D is generally OK on my 5020 but i feel like Im constantly adjusting to avoid ghosting, so be nice to know what it is to avoid it in the future
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Contacted my AV guy about getting me a 5050, and was also ooking at upgrading a screen too from a current 92" diagonal to 120".

I was looking at one of the Silver Ticket screens off Amazon, but my guy recommended Grandview....I don't know anything about them and was ready to pull the trigger on Silver ticket based on reviews and the price, but does anyone know anything about grandview?

He said its a 1.2 gain screen if that helps. Don't know if any certain screen would work better with a new 5050.

He also recommended an omnimount mount, but the two mounts I've seen mentioned most are the Chief or the Peerless.

Any advice on screen or mount would be much appreciated! Thanks
I would take a look at Seymour AV in Des Moines Iowa. I have the Seymour Glacier White Screen in a blacked out light controlled room. They will also allow DIY'ers to order screen material instead of having to buy a frame. Images have great contrast depth and color saturation. Running Epson 5040ub. Using Oppo 203 and Panasonic ub820. I had Jeff Meier of Accucal AV calibrate my home theater last September and he was very impressed with the image.
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I beg to differ, Sir, I believe you're terribly mistaken and very likely uninformed.

Traditionally, Epson's & JVC's do not fall in the same price bracket, nor in the same category, and therefore quite justifiably, do not augment a direct comparison in most cases. I had a private discussion with a highly reputable & trusted member of this forum, who as well admitted to much the same.

However, this is a very different and somewhat unique scenario.

I, personally, am not asking for Epson 5050UB to be compared to JVC NX7. That I believe is a little stretch. A comparison between Epson 5050UB and JVC NX5 would probably be a matter of perspective, that is to say, how much does one consider a gap of $1,500 - $2,000 in terms of PQ and other needs. Again, perhaps a slight stretch but maybe not so much.

However, I personally was asking for a direct comparison between Epson 5050UB & JVC X790R. Do you even know what the JVC X790R's are going for? Have you made any phone calls, done any research? I'm not talking about the price on Best Buy or Newegg, I'm talking about authorized dealers. I can't (and won't) mention dealer pricing openly on a forum (it's against the rules & a void of trust), but you can easily call up a couple AVS Sponsor Dealers and get the price.







Your 'Dodge Charger vs Lamborghini' analogy is so wildly incorrect & inaccurate, it's laughable. We're talking about a few hundred dollars here, Sir, not a couple hundred grand. Mind you though, OT, those Chargers when spiffed up can be really mean, mighty machines.

Right, back to the point.

I have come across several people waiting in line for a JVC X790R off late. It's what's been called the "Projector to have". It's been beating it's successor, NX5, in several cases (not true 4K though).

However, the Epson 5050UB has thrown a slight curve ball to most of us.

I'm hearing nothing but really good things about 5050UB. What with the Epson finally dropping the 18Gbps HDMI, and it's lumens by far trumping X790R. Both being faux K, with competing HDR. I must say, considering the small gap of pricing and both Projectors having their own Pros & Cons against each other - I don't believe a direct comparison between Epson 5050UB & JVC X790R would be a luxury, I consider it borderlining necessity. Heck, I would even go as far as to say, considering the number of people in line for an X790R who are now taking a close, sharp look at 5050UB, I think it would be even more suitable for this comparison to be printed than one between Epson 5050Ub & BenQ HT3550 (or HT5550). Not just for the JVC waitlister(s), but perhaps even the prospective BenQ buyers.

On all accounts, I don't believe you did your research, nor understood the implications.

I certainly implore anyone who has, or can provide any direct comparison or knowledge, on the various features, aspects & performance, between the Epson 5050Ub & JVC X790r to please come forward. It would be highly valuable.

If I'm not mistaken the new batches of JVC X790r (Possibly the last ones) are in the oven and expected to ship out end of this month. So we have some time.

Thanks.



That is exactly my point as well
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