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Projector selection help

I am looking to buy my first projector, I do not have 4k capability in my other equipment so no need to go 4k at the moment. The room is 24 ft long by 15 ft wide and just under 8 ft ceilings. There is no windows in the room and the ceiling is black with dark grey walls, so light control isnt an issue. id like to project a 145" screen. I have been looking at the sony vpl hw45es but fear with that large of a screen that it will be too dim for me. Others i have looked at include the epson 3100. any recommendations on a projector?
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If you really watch in the dark the Sony should be enough but yes you are pushing it with that size screen. A nice dark room like you have you need a high contrast projector that the 3100/3700 is not. Try and snag a refurb 5040ub definitely brighter and dynamically better then the Sony although natively the Sony is better.

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If you really watch in the dark the Sony should be enough but yes you are pushing it with that size screen. A nice dark room like you have you need a high contrast projector that the 3100/3700 is not. Try and snag a refurb 5040ub definitely brighter and dynamically better then the Sony although natively the Sony is better.
I was actually looking at a refurbished 5040 yesterday and was about to purchase it from epsons online store but was already out of stock when I clicked on it. Any idea how often they get some of these in stock?
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Is there any other projectors I should be looking at for a dark colored room?
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A gently used JVC is the king of contrast. Be very cautious as many models are way over priced as many owners think they are worth more then they really are. I wouldn't pay much more then $1000 for anything older then an RS400/x520 and avoid anything older then an RS46/x35.

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BenQ HT2050A or HT2150 might be a place to start. You can get a great deal on a 4K PJ these days (look at the Viewsonic PX-747/727 Optoma UHD-50 for ex) and to add 4K into the mix all you need is a 4K BR player (feed the optical out to your amp) and that will also give you 4K streaming apps and it will upscale your existing BD library.

I run a W1070 with a 150in painted screen and if anything it's almost too bright in SmartEco cinema mode. In your theatre you could go even bigger, to maybe 160in and pair that with a PX-747 or a TK800 or TK800M

However, projector placement is a key variable that may constrain your choices. Where in the room do you want to place the projector?
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A gently used JVC is the king of contrast. Be very cautious as many models are way over priced as many owners think they are worth more then they really are. I wouldn't pay much more then $1000 for anything older then an RS400/x520 and avoid anything older then an RS46/x35.
I have looked at the classifieds here to see if there are any decent JVCs floating around, only one even close to my price range, I believe it was a rs500 and I think he was asking $3000. I haven’t researched a lot of jvcs cause they were out of my price range, I am considering raising my price limit to just get a good projector off the bat instead of planning to upgrade sooner.
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I did look at the ht2050 right away and was about to pull the trigger but I think it was the lack of a large lens shift that I left that model behind. I will be placing the pj about 13-14 feet away from the screen and it will be hanging on the ceiling.
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Just rechecked there is a couple jvc that are right around 3k if I raised my budget that much I could seriously consider a few models new like the Epson 5040
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I did look at the ht2050 right away and was about to pull the trigger but I think it was the lack of a large lens shift that I left that model behind. I will be placing the pj about 13-14 feet away from the screen and it will be hanging on the ceiling.
If the PJ will be ceiling mounted you probably don't need a lot of lens shift. In 4 years, I haven't adjusted the lens shift on my W1070, past the initial setup.
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@SDoutdoorsman, My room dimensions are close to your. I came from a Sony 40ES, which was very bright, but wanted to jump to 4K. Since, I have purchased a RS420, and love it. Look for a deal, as there are many to be had.
Contrast is great, and with a dark room, you should be able to enjoy. Mine is fairly close to the ceiling, and on a 113' screen. There might be ones in the classifieds like this:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/252-f...f-emitter.html, that is under 3K shipped.
And there are other options as well under the front projector section. I have bought and sold thru that forum, and would do again. What 4K player are you going to use for discs?
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I have the Sony HW45 on a 150" Seymour center stage XD screen. (see sample video game pics, I'm gamer) After mounting the screen I then held the projector and walked towards the screen starting at 22 feet back and ended up at about 14'8" (I think, can't remember now exactly) because I liked that brightness and mounted it there.
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I have looked at the classifieds here to see if there are any decent JVCs floating around, only one even close to my price range, I believe it was a rs500 and I think he was asking $3000. I haven’t researched a lot of jvcs cause they were out of my price range, I am considering raising my price limit to just get a good projector off the bat instead of planning to upgrade sooner.
That’s way over priced, I’ve seen used RS540 go for 2500 and the RS500 doesn’t have a low lag mode that everyone wants. MSRP is 3999 so you can purchase for less than that for a new one.

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Is it possible to get really good black levels in a projector that is not 4K? Being I don’t have 4K equipment that just adds cost that won’t be used. I guess if I end up with a 4K upscaling projector it’s not too bad to just add a 4K player and better hdmi cord though.
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I have the Sony HW45 on a 150" Seymour center stage XD screen. (see sample video game pics, I'm gamer) After mounting the screen I then held the projector and walked towards the screen starting at 22 feet back and ended up at about 14'8" (I think, can't remember now exactly) because I liked that brightness and mounted it there.
This is good to hear, I was seriously co soldering this projector but was worried it would be too dark for a 145 inch screen, what color is your room? Do you ever watch sports or any other tv with a little bit of ambient light in the room?
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This is good to hear, I was seriously co soldering this projector but was worried it would be too dark for a 145 inch screen, what color is your room? Do you ever watch sports or any other tv with a little bit of ambient light in the room?
I use this projector on a 165. I use high lamp mode on 1.1 gain Carl's flexiwhite material. It's plenty bright in a light-controlled space.
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This is good to hear, I was seriously co soldering this projector but was worried it would be too dark for a 145 inch screen, what color is your room? Do you ever watch sports or any other tv with a little bit of ambient light in the room?
Max screen size for the:

Sony HW45 is 131in @ 13ft.

BenQ HT2050A is 149in @ 13ft (similar to my W1070)

BenQ HT3550 is 158in @ 13ft or 146in at 12ft

BenQ TK800M is 120in @ 13ft

Viewsonic PX-747 is 122in @ 13ft

JVC RS440U is 128in @ 13ft

Optoma UHD50 is 147in @ 13ft

Epson HC4010 is 133in @ 13ft

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https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...ulator-pro.cfm

and it's always best to double check these figures with the manufacturers specs.
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Is it possible to get really good black levels in a projector that is not 4K? Being I don’t have 4K equipment that just adds cost that won’t be used. I guess if I end up with a 4K upscaling projector it’s not too bad to just add a 4K player and better hdmi cord though.
I think the DLPs 1080p with the older larger dark chip 3 did a fine job of stacking up against the new budget 4k models from what I have been reading in terms of contrast and black levels and have some decent lumens. I have a Viewsonic Pro7827HD that is now discontinued and I’m still quite happy with it. Like you I have an older AVR and all my content is BD or streaming or OTA TV and 1080p suits my needs more than enough. Viewsonic is still selling off some factory refurbs or something like the BenQ HT2050A.

I have said many times a starter projector will teach you more about what you really need to learn by hands on doing. If it don’t cost much within a year or so sell it and jump up into a higher technology that by then will likely be a couple steps better than it is now. It is hard to get a handle on something like buying a first projector as you cant see with your eyes what its about.

Here is a link to the viewsonic if you want a projector to get your feet wet with. And I will post a few screen shots I took over the last couple weeks of regular old TV and stuff you will be watching. https://www.viewsonic.com/us/pro7827hd-s.html
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This is good to hear, I was seriously co soldering this projector but was worried it would be too dark for a 145 inch screen, what color is your room? Do you ever watch sports or any other tv with a little bit of ambient light in the room?
My room is painted Sherwin Williams Tavern Toupe, it's a medium brown color. I pretty much always have the rear set of wall sconce lights turned on so I can see my chips and pop. I should mention the screen I'm using is acoustically transparent so there's gaps in it to let sound through. The picture would be even more killer on a solid screen with a gain of 1.1 or a bit more. I watch Netflix and Amazon movies on it too.
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