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mickey79 04-11-2019 10:24 AM

Epson 5050UB, BenQ HT5550, JVC X790R - Which one to get?
 
A lot of people are talking, asking and struggling with the decision as printed in the title, so I decided to make an independent thread. The Epson 5050UB Review thread is full of this question, with no clear answers, and it seems like this question is now spread around across all different review & announcement threads for the 3 models listed.

It's time to consolidate.

A lot of folks, it seems, are in the market right now to replace an old, aging or dying Projector, or want to make the jump to 4K (Faux K for affordability) and are distinctly looking at these 3 models.

Both Epson 5050UB & BenQ HT5550 are priced around $3K.
JVC X790R can be had for some hundred dollars more.

We are all trying to make the right decision & purchase, so I'm hoping the experienced & owners can chime in.

My requirements are below; others are welcome to post and add theirs:

- I have a 150% Screen in a dark room. Projector sits on a shelf, 15' - 17' from the screen, directly behind the seating. We are approx 12' away. There needs to be some level of Lens Shift for flexible placement, which I believe all 3 projectors allow. Epson & JVC a little more then the BenQ.

- 4K HDR picture quality & performance is high priority, as my UHD Blu-ray collection has been increasing and there's a lot of 4K stuff now on Amazon Prime & Hulu (Both of which I subscribe to).

- 100% Movies & TV only. NO GAMING.

- 3D is very important to me. I'm coming from a 7.5 year old Epson 5010 and unfortunately 3D was a disappointment. Too much cross-talk / ghosting or whatever they call it. Subtitles in a 3D movie were unreadable. Need better 3D performance.

- I don't know much about auto tone mapping for HDR but as far as I know, only BenQ HT5550 in the above 3 projector offers it.

- JVC has the lowest lumens out of the 3 projectors but supposed to have better blacks, contrast and general build quality and components. I do believe Epson 5050UB & BenQ HT5550 have somewhat bridged this gap from the past, I don't know how much exactly though.

The bottom-line, for a lot of us, the pricing difference isn't too much. As someone else said in another thread, "We like to have the best toys, but also love a good deal/bargain"

I had a budget of $4k. I can afford either of the 3 projectors easily. At the same time, I don't want to pay "more" if I can get same or comparable for "less".

Please chime in.

Thanks.

microwiz 04-11-2019 10:32 AM

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X790 if you can find one, if not go with the epson.

Here's shots from my X790.

mickey79 04-11-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by microwiz (Post 57887012)
X790 if you can find one, if not go with the epson.

Here's shots from my X790.

Awesome pics! Love them. I'm on a waiting list right now for X790 with a dealer. There is one last batch which is supposed to come in at some point - end of April or next month. I don't mind the wait.

scottyroo 04-11-2019 11:44 AM

Based on your requirements.... HT5550

FendersRule 04-11-2019 12:20 PM

How about me?

Aging 8700UB that is starting to act weird.

- I have a 106" Screen in a dark HT-inspired room. Projector is ceiling mounted, 16'ish from the screen, directly overhead of the rear "optional" seating. Placing the 8700UB was dead easy with lens shift, I expect the same ease moving forward.

- 4K picture quality & performance is high priority. I don't have a lot of 4k content (honestly, not all 4k UHD blu-rays really offer any extra detail that I could see under a heavy zoom level). I've seen some good examples, but I'm surprised at how many examples (such as Blade Runner) don't seem to gain much from 4k mastering. I'm really looking just for better PQ over my 8700UB with mostly 1080p content, and in the case I find UHDs that actually look 30% or more better than a blu-ray, then I'll start building a UHD collection.

- 60% movies, 40% gaming. Low input lag is a must...my Epson 8700UB is probably around 80-90ms and while it's "serviceable", having much less is highly desirable.

- 3D is important bonus. I have yet to do active 3D at home, and I'm looking forward to buying at least 3-4 3D blu-rays that I love and just enjoying that experience with friends in the future.

- I don't know much about auto tone mapping for HDR. All I know is that I like what HDR does and just want good HDR performance.

- Having inky blacks, and popping contrast/brightness with a super sharp picture that's fast, is really good for me.

I think it's obvious I should get the 5050UB, but just wanting to check.

Is it true that the modern era UB projectors have convergence correction? If so, that's really cool! Back in the olden days, you get what you get when it comes to the 3 LCD panel convergence. having a color overlap by 2 pixels off heavily impacts the sharpness of the picture. Can you really dial that in with the modern projectors?

@mickey79 , you should REALLY consider ceiling mounting your projector. FWIW, I used to get about 900-1000 hours on bulbs on my 8700UB when I had it shelf mounted, even with high altitude mode on. When I moved in my new place, I mounted it on the ceiling. My last bulb, which still works, surpassed 3800 hours. I have a theory that shelf mounting impacts the cooling potential. Not only that, but having it ceiling mounted is cleaner, and there's far less blocking light from people getting up to go to the bathroom or to refill a drink.

mickey79 04-11-2019 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyroo (Post 57887450)
Based on your requirements.... HT5550

Hi Scotty,

Can you provide reasoning? Would help me and other subscribers of this thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FendersRule (Post 57887626)
How about me?

@mickey79 , you should REALLY consider ceiling mounting your projector. FWIW, I used to get about 900-1000 hours on bulbs on my 8700UB when I had it shelf mounted, even with high altitude mode on. When I moved in my new place, I mounted it on the ceiling. My last bulb, which still works, surpassed 3800 hours. I have a theory that shelf mounting impacts the cooling potential. Not only that, but having it ceiling mounted is cleaner, and there's far less blocking light from people getting up to go to the bathroom or to refill a drink.

I can definitely agree with you, especially about blocking light. That happens to us. My current home theater has a very slanted (45 degree) popcorn ceiling which I just don't want to get into the struggle of setting up a ceiling mount; however, we may be moving this year or early next year. When that happens, I will definitely explore the possibility of ceiling mount.

Thanks!

04rex 04-11-2019 01:53 PM

I also fall into this category now, but more towards the JVC and Epson.


I am about 12 ft away from the screen, which is 106", projector would probably be about 14ft away from screen in a fairly dark room. I wouldn't say complete blackout, but pretty dark. I watch TV so motion for sports is important, but also game (input lag is important) and watch movies. Sometimes I will watch sporting events with some lights on. When the lights are on, I understand it won't look as good as with the lights off, so I know I will take a hit there, but I am not expecting a spectacular image with lights on. I would also like it to be as sharp as possible (I am coming from a DLP) as it can be. I was leaning towards the Epson but not sure.


Another question would be which has the better Faux K capability or lense shift? Seeing as the JVC is last years model and Epson is this years, does the newer year equal a better Faux K experience? Possibly sharper? Or was JVC ahead of their game last year in this respect?


Thanks

mickey79 04-11-2019 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04rex (Post 57888176)
Another question would be which has the better Faux K capability or lense shift? Seeing as the JVC is last years model and Epson is this years, does the newer year equal a better Faux K experience? Possibly sharper? Or was JVC ahead of their game last year in this respect?

I second this question! Would like to know the answer myself.

Thanks.

FendersRule 04-11-2019 04:20 PM

Good question, I agree on that.

I'm a little less interested in 4k content after looking at some full capture comparisons. I think it's more important to have a visually stunning HD image, quiet (relatively), excellent contrast, low latency, good HDR and 3D capability.

I've seen about 4 UHD vs BD comparisons, and I would say at most, the UHD appears to be 10% better. Many screen shots/scenes I'm not able to resolve any more additional detail which is surprising, even on newer movies! But keeping in mind, I'm looking at blown up stills. There is no doubt in my mind that UHD vs BD is not even in the same realm of difference as DVD was to BD. You don't need to blow up a still on a blu-ray to see that 1080p spanks DVD hard!

While I want 4k capability, for me, it doesn't appear to be in the top 5 things of a projector anymore. More and more I'm finding that 4Ke looks at parity, and the move to real 4k doesn't appear to be worth it, especially with a 106" screen.

Every single image I've seen of the 5040/5030 4ke on vs off for 1080p content shows one consistent thing: 4ke softens the image by removing the screen door effect (which isn't visible in my environment) which in turn makes the picture softer. It appears that I would never want to turn on 4ke if I'm watching a Blu-ray--hopefully with the 5050 that I don't have to turn it off every time I insert a blu-ray. If I'm watching a UHD sure, turn it on (which it does automatically).

But yes, I'd like to see the 5050's 4ke on 1080p sources...with "on" vs "off" comparisons. Because on the prior models looking at screen caps, that's not something I'd want "on". Who wants a softer image? Maybe the 5050's makes it so that 4ke always looks better "on", no matter what source you are watching.

I'd also like to see some 5050 captures showing a 1080p blu-ray (4ke off) vs a UHD (4ke on obviously). If you can resolve more detail with a UHD with 4ke, you should consider eshift a success, but on actual 4k vs BD captures, the difference is smaller than I would anticipate!

I think the advantage to UHD is HDR, not in the extra detail.

JackB 04-11-2019 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04rex (Post 57888176)
I also fall into this category now, but more towards the JVC and Epson.


I am about 12 ft away from the screen, which is 106", projector would probably be about 14ft away from screen in a fairly dark room. I wouldn't say complete blackout, but pretty dark. I watch TV so motion for sports is important, but also game (input lag is important) and watch movies. Sometimes I will watch sporting events with some lights on. When the lights are on, I understand it won't look as good as with the lights off, so I know I will take a hit there, but I am not expecting a spectacular image with lights on. I would also like it to be as sharp as possible (I am coming from a DLP) as it can be. I was leaning towards the Epson but not sure.


Another question would be which has the better Faux K capability or lense shift? Seeing as the JVC is last years model and Epson is this years, does the newer year equal a better Faux K experience? Possibly sharper? Or was JVC ahead of their game last year in this respect?


Thanks

The JVC is the 3rd or 4th iteration of their eshift. I have read in the past that is definitely well ahead of their previous versions. Is it better than the latest by the 5050? Probably needs to be side by side to say for sure. If you have a Best Buy near you see if they can do a comparison. I demoed a 6040 the other night. I think there was a non-4K in the same room/screen but I didn't ask to see them both. Because of all the issues I had with my JVC from a few years ago I have kind of lost interest in them. Their bulbs are also very expensive. This may not be a problem today but it was back then when they were around $500 and only lasted a little over a 1000 hours with satisfactory brightness. And that was in ECO mode.

microwiz 04-11-2019 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey79 (Post 57888090)
Hi Scotty,

Can you provide reasoning? Would help me and other subscribers of this thread.



I can definitely agree with you, especially about blocking light. That happens to us. My current home theater has a very slanted (45 degree) popcorn ceiling which I just don't want to get into the struggle of setting up a ceiling mount; however, we may be moving this year or early next year. When that happens, I will definitely explore the possibility of ceiling mount.

Thanks!

He's probably talking about your 150 inch screen, i missed that so I would definitely recommend a screen with some gain if you go the JVC route but frankly non of the 3 projectors will be good enough to light that up with HDR or 3d with out some serious gain.

Eshift JVC vs Epson will probably add up to nothing, both will work just fine.

If you have a light controlled room the JVC will shine over the others, if not it will be pretty close.

Finally if you are worried about lamp replacement cost you can buy the bare JVC bulb for $140 bucks, it's a little extra work but much cheaper.

Ruined 04-11-2019 04:56 PM

BenQ HT5550 is only one on your list with flawless 3D

Epson 3D has crosstalk and JVC 3d has flicker

04rex 04-11-2019 06:48 PM

So what is the lag on the 790?

JonnyVee 04-11-2019 07:09 PM

Would appreciate some advice. I’m going to put in a porthole and project from the adjacent room. My options are the HT5550, 5050, or JVC RS440. The 440 can be bought for $3500 CDN and the 5550 and 5050 will likely be $3000 and $4000 CDN, respectively.

Any thoughts?

Full light controlled bat cave with dark ceiling and walls, 10’ from seating distance to screen, 12’ throw, 120” Silver Ticket white screen. Mainly for movies, but my son plays games. Input lag is a non-issue.

microwiz 04-11-2019 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04rex (Post 57889532)
So what is the lag on the 790?

35 msec

microwiz 04-11-2019 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyVee (Post 57889620)
Would appreciate some advice. I’m going to put in a porthole and project from the adjacent room. My options are the HT5550, 5050, or JVC RS440. The 440 can be bought for $3500 CDN and the 5550 and 5050 will likely be $3000 and $4000 CDN, respectively.

Any thoughts?

Full light controlled bat cave with dark ceiling and walls, 10’ from seating distance to screen, 12’ throw, 120” Silver Ticket white screen. Mainly for movies, but my son plays games. Input lag is a non-issue.

Native contrast and fill rate are much better with the JVC and in a light controlled room the JVC is just better.

I went from an epson 5030 to an RS400 two generations older, the upgrade was substantial. I now moved up to a RS540 and that improvement over the rs400 was much smaller.

04rex 04-11-2019 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by microwiz (Post 57889668)
35 msec

Thank you. That just made the decision harder now. :rolleyes:

rekbones 04-11-2019 08:56 PM

Two major items to consider when selecting a projector are 1 if you want a scope 2:39 screen power lens memory is a must and 2 if the room is light controlled with no white /light colored reflective surfaces like a white ceiling contrast is king. In these instances I would pick the JVC every time. The Epson 5050 would be a contender if it was signifently cheaper and/or you needed the extra light output. The BenQ's are also high on my list if you have a less then ideal room and 4K is a big priority but are limited to a 16:9 screen.

movieloverAL 04-11-2019 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey79 (Post 57886964)
A lot of people are talking, asking and struggling with the decision as printed in the title, so I decided to make an independent thread. The Epson 5050UB Review thread is full of this question, with no clear answers, and it seems like this question is now spread around across all different review & announcement threads for the 3 models listed.

It's time to consolidate.

A lot of folks, it seems, are in the market right now to replace an old, aging or dying Projector, or want to make the jump to 4K (Faux K for affordability) and are distinctly looking at these 3 models.

Both Epson 5050UB & BenQ HT5550 are priced around $3K.
JVC X790R can be had for some hundred dollars more.

We are all trying to make the right decision & purchase, so I'm hoping the experienced & owners can chime in.

My requirements are below; others are welcome to post and add theirs:

- I have a 150% Screen in a dark room. Projector sits on a shelf, 15' - 17' from the screen, directly behind the seating. We are approx 12' away. There needs to be some level of Lens Shift for flexible placement, which I believe all 3 projectors allow. Epson & JVC a little more then the BenQ.

- 4K HDR picture quality & performance is high priority, as my UHD Blu-ray collection has been increasing and there's a lot of 4K stuff now on Amazon Prime & Hulu (Both of which I subscribe to).

- 100% Movies & TV only. NO GAMING.

- 3D is very important to me. I'm coming from a 7.5 year old Epson 5010 and unfortunately 3D was a disappointment. Too much cross-talk / ghosting or whatever they call it. Subtitles in a 3D movie were unreadable. Need better 3D performance.

- I don't know much about auto tone mapping for HDR but as far as I know, only BenQ HT5550 in the above 3 projector offers it.

- JVC has the lowest lumens out of the 3 projectors but supposed to have better blacks, contrast and general build quality and components. I do believe Epson 5050UB & BenQ HT5550 have somewhat bridged this gap from the past, I don't know how much exactly though.

The bottom-line, for a lot of us, the pricing difference isn't too much. As someone else said in another thread, "We like to have the best toys, but also love a good deal/bargain"

I had a budget of $4k. I can afford either of the 3 projectors easily. At the same time, I don't want to pay "more" if I can get same or comparable for "less".

Please chime in.

Thanks.

I have the JVC x790 with a 153" scopescreen (122" 16x9) 1.1 real gain screen in a dark room

My advice to you is to only buy a 4k faux projector if the screen is around 120" 16x9

In my opinion, a smaller screen is not worth it over a 75"+ UHD TV costing the same or even less money (projector + screen)

and a larger screen (which I totally prefer) needs more lumens and a high gain screen (which are no cheap or easy to find), especially for 3D and HDR content.

If you really want a 4k projector with a 150" screen, my advice then is to wait till you can afford a native 4k projector with more lumens (none comes to mind, maybe in a year or two).

The JVC x790 is a good projector but do not have enough lumens for 3D or HDR at 150" either scope or 16x9 and you have to constantly change settings to optimize your viewing experience.

Another important thing to consider with the x790 is that you need a video processor like the one on audio video receivers like denon that can upscale to 4k, if you want it to look better at "4k"

and for UHD discs or 4k streaming, I find the panasonic player a must (especially for 3D and HDR since you can add brightness that is really needed). I don´t have hulu so you need to ask if it is available on panasonic players. Netflix, Prime Video and Youtube are.

Do not get confused with published lumens for those 3 projectors, as far as I know, those are peak (the highest you can get, sacrificing a lot of features) and some times are not even real lumens you get. Same with the gain of the screen.

Hope that helps

utee05 04-11-2019 09:25 PM

Thanks for making this thread. I’m in the same boat. My main viewing is movies and sports. Occasionally game on Xbox one X. Main viewing device is an ATV 4k to stream. All hooked up to a denon x3300. My current projector is a benq w1070 on a 120” screen with 1.0 gain. My room is colored dark brown for the entire room. Viewing distance is 11’ from the screen. Seems like the JVC main be good for my purpose I would need to get a proper blu-Ray player.

Dave in Green 04-12-2019 10:14 AM

@utee05 , your BenQ W1070 is a fairly short throw model. For the longer throw JVC to work in your room it might have to be mounted further back. For a 120" screen the projection calculator says the front of the X790R's lens can be no closer than 12' 2" from your screen's surface. Since the X790R is 18.5" from front of lens to back of projector your room needs to be a little more than 14' from back wall to screen wall for the X790R to be able to throw a 120" image.

blake18 04-12-2019 10:29 AM

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The Epson 5050UB, the JVC does seem hard to find, but if you could find one, I'd ultimately go with the JVC. Both the Epson and the JVC will crush the BenQ (or any DLP) in contrast ratio.

04rex 04-12-2019 10:49 AM

How does the Epson/JVC compare to the BenQ W1070 for calibrated brightness? My screen is 1.3 gain I believe, and I sit about 10-11 ft away. Screen size is 106". The projector would probably be about 14ft away whereas the BenQ right now is like 9ft away approximately. My BenQ right now is decently bright in ECO mode.

Luminated67 04-12-2019 11:01 AM

If we were debating the X590(x5900) then I’d say go for the Epson but since it’s the model up I think ultimately the X790 will give the best picture though I think I read on the AVForum ones saying that screens above 130” the JVC doesn’t give as good a picture as the Epson on HDR.

Here you’d suggest to find a X7900 below £4K new so there’s still a sizeable £1.5k price difference but if like you say there’s only a few hundred dollars difference in the US then you really need to put it top of your list.

utee05 04-12-2019 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave in Green (Post 57892050)
@utee05 , your BenQ W1070 is a fairly short throw model. For the longer throw JVC to work in your room it might have to be mounted further back. For a 120" screen the projection calculator says the front of the X790R's lens can be no closer than 12' 2" from your screen's surface. Since the X790R is 18.5" from front of lens to back of projector your room needs to be a little more than 14' from back wall to screen wall for the X790R to be able to throw a 120" image.

I can go as far back as 14.5' to maybe 15' to mount the projector. The way the room is situated they put an A/C vent at the very back and nearly dead center of the room. Bad design but what can you do unless having it moved. I have been looking at the calculators to make sure it would work whichever I end up deciding on. Thanks for the reminder.
EDIT: Didn't realize the size of the X790R till after I re-read your comment. I'll have to double check things to make sure that works but should be ok.

Maestrosc 04-12-2019 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey79 (Post 57886964)
A lot of people are talking, asking and struggling with the decision as printed in the title, so I decided to make an independent thread. The Epson 5050UB Review thread is full of this question, with no clear answers, and it seems like this question is now spread around across all different review & announcement threads for the 3 models listed.

It's time to consolidate.

A lot of folks, it seems, are in the market right now to replace an old, aging or dying Projector, or want to make the jump to 4K (Faux K for affordability) and are distinctly looking at these 3 models.

Both Epson 5050UB & BenQ HT5550 are priced around $3K.
JVC X790R can be had for some hundred dollars more.

We are all trying to make the right decision & purchase, so I'm hoping the experienced & owners can chime in.

My requirements are below; others are welcome to post and add theirs:

- I have a 150% Screen in a dark room. Projector sits on a shelf, 15' - 17' from the screen, directly behind the seating. We are approx 12' away. There needs to be some level of Lens Shift for flexible placement, which I believe all 3 projectors allow. Epson & JVC a little more then the BenQ.

- 4K HDR picture quality & performance is high priority, as my UHD Blu-ray collection has been increasing and there's a lot of 4K stuff now on Amazon Prime & Hulu (Both of which I subscribe to).

- 100% Movies & TV only. NO GAMING.

- 3D is very important to me. I'm coming from a 7.5 year old Epson 5010 and unfortunately 3D was a disappointment. Too much cross-talk / ghosting or whatever they call it. Subtitles in a 3D movie were unreadable. Need better 3D performance.

- I don't know much about auto tone mapping for HDR but as far as I know, only BenQ HT5550 in the above 3 projector offers it.

- JVC has the lowest lumens out of the 3 projectors but supposed to have better blacks, contrast and general build quality and components. I do believe Epson 5050UB & BenQ HT5550 have somewhat bridged this gap from the past, I don't know how much exactly though.

The bottom-line, for a lot of us, the pricing difference isn't too much. As someone else said in another thread, "We like to have the best toys, but also love a good deal/bargain"

I had a budget of $4k. I can afford either of the 3 projectors easily. At the same time, I don't want to pay "more" if I can get same or comparable for "less".

Please chime in.

Thanks.

Epson because your 150" screen.

More lumens.

There is a reason the Epsons have dominated this price range for the past ...5? years.

Their value at this price point is just hard to beat.

The JVC or BenQ will do certain things better, but IMO the Epson has provided the most well rounded package at a great value.

AV_Integrated 04-12-2019 12:00 PM

I struggle with this as a DLA590 owner, I find that on my 161" screen the image is fantastic, but in fairness, I haven't played with HDR.

It is a 1.3 gain screen.

I have leaned towards JVC for years and as a former Epson, Panasonic, and BenQ owner, the jump in quality the JVC delivers is significant. It has a wow factor that is pretty unreal, and I hear the 790 is a solid step up.

I guess I need to pick up a UHD BD player and get to it so I can be a bit more honest, but I definitely lean towards the JVC. But, have no doubt that the Epson would be no slouch either.

mickey79 04-12-2019 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestrosc (Post 57892516)
Epson because your 150" screen.

More lumens.

There is a reason the Epsons have dominated this price range for the past ...5? years.

Their value at this price point is just hard to beat.

The JVC or BenQ will do certain things better, but IMO the Epson has provided the most well rounded package at a great value.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminated67 (Post 57892314)
If we were debating the X590(x5900) then I’d say go for the Epson but since it’s the model up I think ultimately the X790 will give the best picture though I think I read on the AVForum ones saying that screens above 130” the JVC doesn’t give as good a picture as the Epson on HDR.

Here you’d suggest to find a X7900 below £4K new so there’s still a sizeable £1.5k price difference but if like you say there’s only a few hundred dollars difference in the US then you really need to put it top of your list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by movieloverAL (Post 57890184)
I have the JVC x790 with a 153" scopescreen (122" 16x9) 1.1 real gain screen in a dark room

My advice to you is to only buy a 4k faux projector if the screen is around 120" 16x9

In my opinion, a smaller screen is not worth it over a 75"+ UHD TV costing the same or even less money (projector + screen)

and a larger screen (which I totally prefer) needs more lumens and a high gain screen (which are no cheap or easy to find), especially for 3D and HDR content.

If you really want a 4k projector with a 150" screen, my advice then is to wait till you can afford a native 4k projector with more lumens (none comes to mind, maybe in a year or two).

The JVC x790 is a good projector but do not have enough lumens for 3D or HDR at 150" either scope or 16x9 and you have to constantly change settings to optimize your viewing experience.

Another important thing to consider with the x790 is that you need a video processor like the one on audio video receivers like denon that can upscale to 4k, if you want it to look better at "4k"

and for UHD discs or 4k streaming, I find the panasonic player a must (especially for 3D and HDR since you can add brightness that is really needed). I don´t have hulu so you need to ask if it is available on panasonic players. Netflix, Prime Video and Youtube are.

Do not get confused with published lumens for those 3 projectors, as far as I know, those are peak (the highest you can get, sacrificing a lot of features) and some times are not even real lumens you get. Same with the gain of the screen.

Hope that helps

First let me just thank everyone for pitching in and helping us guys out in making an informed decision, I appreciate all your input & responses.

Its starting to sound like JVC might be the better projector, and perhaps the better purchase, however, in "my" particular case, because of the 150" screen, there is considerable concern, and JVC may not be the best choice, simply because of my screen size.

I've had this concern from the very beginning. This is the one point which has put me in the undecided boat. I believe the Lumens on the JVC are an issue for a screen size, as a couple people have pointed out, anything above 120" or 130".

"The JVC x790 is a good projector but do not have enough lumens for 3D or HDR at 150" <-- This is something that I've heard a couple times now from few different people and its really starting to make me think twice about JVC X790.

I can splurge on the JVC NX5 (which is true 4k, not faux K), but the lumens are no different then X790, so I don't know if that will help.

If I truly let go of the JVC X790, simply because of my Screen Size, and consider BenQ or Epson, unfortunately the decision becomes harder because in this thread alone, the recommendation is even split. Half claiming Epson and half claiming BenQ better for me. I have no idea which one to pick.

One thing I do need to bring up:
I have talked to a couple of BenQ HT2550 owners who have 150", and one with 160" screen, and both of them recommended BenQ to me (and this is previous gen HT2550), who have had no issues projecting 4K HDR on that screen size. They swear by the 4K HDR performance on that screen size. That model was listed at 2200 Lumens.

X790 is listed at 1900 Lumens
HT5550 is listed at 1800 Lumens
5050UB is listed at 2600 Lumens

Even though these are 'peak brightness' and actual lumens differ, by the specs above, BenQ HT5550 would be the 3rd choice, and Epson 5050UB would be the clear winner.

I'm not sure. Definitely becoming a hard decision.

rcsauvag 04-12-2019 12:46 PM

I'm somewhat in the same boat. THinking of upgrading my 4910U to either the 5050UB or the NX7. If I get the Epson, I assume the life of it will be shorter as the price of 4K may come down a little in 3-4 years then I can replace with a native 4K. I'm planning for a 130" wide scope screen, which would be a 149" 16:9 image. I have read that at that size the advantages of the JVC become nerfed to some degree. The JVC I currently isn't very bright at 1300 lumens, one of the reason i'm looking to replace. I've been shooting a 138" picture on the wall, and its been good if a little dim.

BUT

Based on reviews I've seen when you go into Natural or Cinema mode the lumens are much lower than the 2600. Even Bright Cinema, or maybe its Digital Cinema, for HDR isn't outputting 2600 lumens. And based on the things I've seen when both are calibrated the Epson and JVC are very close when it comes to brightness.

Maestrosc 04-12-2019 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickey79 (Post 57892622)
First let me just thank everyone for pitching in and helping us guys out in making an informed decision, I appreciate all your input & responses.

Its starting to sound like JVC might be the better projector, and perhaps the better purchase, however, in "my" particular case, because of the 150" screen, there is considerable concern, and JVC may not be the best choice, simply because of my screen size.

I've had this concern from the very beginning. This is the one point which has put me in the undecided boat. I believe the Lumens on the JVC are an issue for a screen size, as a couple people have pointed out, anything above 120" or 130".

"The JVC x790 is a good projector but do not have enough lumens for 3D or HDR at 150" <-- This is something that I've heard a couple times now from few different people and its really starting to make me think twice about JVC X790.

I can splurge on the JVC NX5 (which is true 4k, not faux K), but the lumens are no different then X790, so I don't know if that will help.

If I truly let go of the JVC X790, simply because of my Screen Size, and consider BenQ or Epson, unfortunately the decision becomes harder because in this thread alone, the recommendation is even split. Half claiming Epson and half claiming BenQ better for me. I have no idea which one to pick.

One thing I do need to bring up:
I have talked to a couple of BenQ HT2550 owners who have 150", and one with 160" screen, and both of them recommended BenQ to me (and this is previous gen HT2550), who have had no issues projecting 4K HDR on that screen size. They swear by the 4K HDR performance on that screen size. That model was listed at 2200 Lumens.

X790 is listed at 1900 Lumens
HT5550 is listed at 1800 Lumens
5050UB is listed at 2600 Lumens

Even though these are 'peak brightness' and actual lumens differ, by the specs above, BenQ HT5550 would be the 3rd choice, and Epson 5050UB would be the clear winner.

I'm not sure. Definitely becoming a hard decision.

I usually side with more light for one reason:

You can fine tune and modify and calibrate an image for different results.

You cant just add more lumens


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