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If you're ever near the Philadelphia area feel free to stop by and check out my 6050 I think it definitely is a significant real-world viewing difference between 1900 and 2600 lumens. I have seen the JVC nx5 in person and it does throw a fantastic image don't get me wrong but the 4K resolution image quality improvement that it provides is just not enough of a difference from me to have less lumens I feel the Epson actually outperforms it in terms of HDR which honestly I thought I would never say that because my 5040 I definitely felt was somewhat lacking in the HDR Department even after doing the firmware upgrade from January 2018 and even after having Jeff Meyer of Accu Cal do a calibration. Kevin

Can I take you up on that offer to see it too? I’m from the Philly area and would love to check it out when I head that way to visit family over the summer.

I did the HarperVision tweaks on the 5040s, so I’d love to see how HDR looks on these 6050s!
Of course!!! The Dave Harper in my house!!! Harper Vision!! SIGN ME UP!!
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Of course!!! The Dave Harper in my house!!! Harper Vision!! SIGN ME UP!!

Haha you crack me up! I’m far from anything but a normal guy. I really don’t want to underwhelm you. There’s many that know far more, or at least have the time to do so which I don’t have any longer unfortunately.
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Thank you very much to the 18+1 AVS Forum members that attended the Epson unveiling. Your presence was appreciated and your comments and feedback were all taken to heart by the Epson team and engineers. I felt the event was a great success that was made better by all of your questions and opinions!

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How 'bout posting those settings used in the demo so we can all get our 5050/6050s looking that good!
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How 'bout posting those settings used in the demo so we can all get our 5050/6050s looking that good!
i was at the event and that projector was truly impressive. it definitely has me wondering if i really need a true 4k projector: resolution does not drive picture quality at this point, brightness, contrast and black levels do. especially when i take into account that my screen is only 95“. thanks for inviting me!
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Interesting idea @ckronengold we can ask.
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Interesting idea @ckronengold we can ask.
Obviously it goes without saying that every room is different and the settings might not be ideal for someone elses room, but I think it would be a great starting point.

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I saw that quadruple-bounce with PERFECT clarity thanks to modern display technology. I think it's time to go back to 480i.

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Obviously it goes without saying that every room is different and the settings might not be ideal for someone elses room, but I think it would be a great starting point.

The thing is that people asked Kevin Miller for those settings, and he said no. He said has them for personal reference, but he would not share them with the folks at the event.

I think the basic idea is that you should get one of those set up discs, Disney WOW or Spears & Munsil, do what you can with your eyes and patterns, and if you need to go beyond that, you need a meter.

Realistically, the starting point is to use this forum to figure out how to use test patterns to optimize your display, in particular the parameters that don't require a meter to adjust optimally.

The beauty of AVS Forum is that the answer to getting the best picture is contained within, the problem is it's not as simple as just copying some settings, that somebody's keeping a secret for no good reason. The settings are not being shared because It's not just have a room that's different, it's the screen material that's different, it's screen sizes that are different, and there are variations from projector to projector. It's not even as simple as it is with TVs, where some settings (like gamma and backlight control) have a very consistent effect from unit to unit. With projection, it can be all over the place Almost everyone using the exact same type/size of screen, in the exact same type of room.

It is the fact of these challenges that is also why you cannot have something like Dolby Vision for projectors. You simply cannot predict the behavior of the device once you factor in the room and the screen.
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Probably won't have time to post much today as I have to clean up from the electrician he's a great great electrician but a horrible housekeeper LOL. It's great to meet so many wonderful people from The Forum last night. It's just a teaser picture as I haven't hung the projector yet because I have to figure out the chief Mount that it came with LOL.

I live in the Philly area. Currently, I have a JVC RS1. I am thinking about replacing it with a 6050. But, I am not a handy man for installing a new projector. I would appreciate any recommendation as where to get the projector and contractor for the installation. Thanks.
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Probably won't have time to post much today as I have to clean up from the electrician he's a great great electrician but a horrible housekeeper LOL. It's great to meet so many wonderful people from The Forum last night. It's just a teaser picture as I haven't hung the projector yet because I have to figure out the chief Mount that it came with LOL.

I live in the Philly area. Currently, I have a JVC RS1. I am thinking about replacing it with a 6050. But, I am not a handy man for installing a new projector. I would appreciate any recommendation as where to get the projector and contractor for the installation. Thanks.
World Wide Stereo has been in business since 1979 have a sterling reputation and they are Epson authorized dealers. They should be able to help you with your situation. I have purchased several products from them through the years I can't speak to their installation as I do most of that myself.

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I saw that quadruple-bounce with PERFECT clarity thanks to modern display technology. I think it's time to go back to 480i.







The thing is that people asked Kevin Miller for those settings, and he said no. He said has them for personal reference, but he would not share them with the folks at the event.



I think the basic idea is that you should get one of those set up discs, Disney WOW or Spears & Munsil, do what you can with your eyes and patterns, and if you need to go beyond that, you need a meter.



Realistically, the starting point is to use this forum to figure out how to use test patterns to optimize your display, in particular the parameters that don't require a meter to adjust optimally.



The beauty of AVS Forum is that the answer to getting the best picture is contained within, the problem is it's not as simple as just copying some settings, that somebody's keeping a secret for no good reason. The settings are not being shared because It's not just have a room that's different, it's the screen material that's different, it's screen sizes that are different, and there are variations from projector to projector. It's not even as simple as it is with TVs, where some settings (like gamma and backlight control) have a very consistent effect from unit to unit. With projection, it can be all over the place Almost everyone using the exact same type/size of screen, in the exact same type of room.



It is the fact of these challenges that is also why you cannot have something like Dolby Vision for projectors. You simply cannot predict the behavior of the device once you factor in the room and the screen.


Actually they should get the EXCELLENT AVS709 disc for free right here on this very website!

This actually brings up an interesting discussion, however. What to do with HDR setup? In my experience, there isn’t much you can do for HDR besides download some test patterns and see how far your display is from ideal. Obviously you can adjust the HDR settings but in my experience it can be difficult to do this by eye. As most people in this price range aren’t likely to shell out for a professional calibration (well maybe for this projector as it straddles the line between mid and high end) the out-of-the-box image becomes vitally important to many people.
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The beauty of AVS Forum is that the answer to getting the best picture is contained within, the problem is it's not as simple as just copying some settings, that somebody's keeping a secret for no good reason. The settings are not being shared because It's not just have a room that's different, it's the screen material that's different, it's screen sizes that are different, and there are variations from projector to projector. It's not even as simple as it is with TVs, where some settings (like gamma and backlight control) have a very consistent effect from unit to unit. With projection, it can be all over the place Almost everyone using the exact same type/size of screen, in the exact same type of room.
All true, but...... I think its a good place to start and/or give you something to compare to. The WOW or S&M discs aren't really going to help you dive into the 10 pt greyscale settings.

I can understand Kevin not wanting to post them publicly since thats the business he's in, and nobody should be giving away their product for free. But I wouldn't mind terribly if they were shared with those of us who attended the event, again, just as a starting point.

I think we probably all understand both sides of the argument. And I certainly don't want to turn it into a debate.


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All true, but...... I think its a good place to start and/or give you something to compare to. The WOW or S&M discs aren't really going to help you dive into the 10 pt greyscale settings.



I can understand Kevin not wanting to post them publicly since thats the business he's in, and nobody should be giving away their product for free. But I wouldn't mind terribly if they were shared with those of us who attended the event, again, just as a starting point.



I think we probably all understand both sides of the argument. And I certainly don't want to turn it into a debate.




I can understand why Kevin doesn’t share. I’ve made that mistake and it comes back to bite you in posterior by all the critics and naysayers that may not get the settings right or as said, the environment and system changes things too much.

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World Wide Stereo has been in business since 1979 have a sterling reputation and they are Epson authorized dealers. They should be able to help you with your situation. I have purchased several products from them through the years I can't speak to their installation as I do most of that myself.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/worldwidestereo.com

I second that recommendation! There’s also World Premiere Home Theater whom I’ve contracted with on numerous occasions in the past. They’re out closer to Harrisburg though.

Oh and also Audio General Inc. in Huntingdon Valley. I used to do contract work for them too.

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Interesting idea @ckronengold we can ask.

Wow that really hurts man! I’m from Philly and a huge fan of the sports teams still!

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All true, but...... I think its a good place to start and/or give you something to compare to. The WOW or S&M discs aren't really going to help you dive into the 10 pt greyscale settings.

I can understand Kevin not wanting to post them publicly since thats the business he's in, and nobody should be giving away their product for free. But I wouldn't mind terribly if they were shared with those of us who attended the event, again, just as a starting point.

I think we probably all understand both sides of the argument. And I certainly don't want to turn it into a debate.

Right... the exact settings that people should not be copying and pasting into their own projector. A hard no. Not happening. Not a good idea.

Learn how to calibrate, is my answer to anyone who wants to know kevin's "settings" for 10-point grayscale. That's the ONLY answer, aside from hiring a calibrator to do it for you.

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Right... the exact settings that people should not be copying and pasting into their own projector. A hard no. Not happening. Not a good idea.



Learn how to calibrate, is my answer to anyone who wants to know kevin's "settings" for 10-point grayscale. That's the ONLY answer, aside from hiring a calibrator to do it for you.

I don’t know if I totally agree with that though. I think some base settings can get you started and in the ballpark, but then of course after putting them in you should then calibrate from there. It will just make it that much easier, especially for newbies that may not know a certain step to be done that the initial calibrator accounted for in his/her base settings.
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Right... the exact settings that people should not be copying and pasting into their own projector. A hard no. Not happening. Not a good idea.

Learn how to calibrate, is my answer to anyone who wants to know kevin's "settings" for 10-point grayscale. That's the ONLY answer, aside from hiring a calibrator to do it for you.
As long as the horse is still alive.......

I hear you. But I'd contend that having "good" settings in your hand would help guide you along in that learning. I have a -37 where he's got a +21? Hmmmm......OK, sure there are room/screen differences, but maybe I'm doing something actually wrong. Or look at the differences and see if and/or why you prefer one over the other --- in your room.

Learning to calibrate is a long process and requires expensive equipment to do it at the level that most of us are looking to achieve. Besides, it would give me something to play with and compare while I wait for Kevin to make it out to my house in a month.

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Well I ordered mine today and it will be here mid-week. Going to project on the wall before I finalize my screen size but i am 99% sure I am using a 150” scope sized screen. The 6050 is my first projector so eager to get it up running. The dealer can do calibrations but I will wait until the room is done and borrow what settings I can get in the meantime
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LOL Mike thank you did you go with the 6050 and I assume you hung up with the mount and realize just like I did what a great mount it is.
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^^^^So there were some issues with the contrast due to the fact that light was reflecting off of the bright color walls and the ceiling. I saw the problem with the contrast right away and pulled a few people, including the professional calibration person there, to try to get to the bottom of it. They were the ones to point out the contrast problem was directly a result of the reflection from the wall.

Apparently, they wanted the room to be more like a living room rather than a dedicated theater, so the decor was not conducive to the best PQ.
Good day to you. Has Epson reached out to you at all regarding the mysterious raffle prize you one just wondering LOL is it could be a true 4K projector
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Unfortunately, no. Not a peep. I vaguely remember them saying in a couple of months, but I’m not sure if I misheard? I’ll wait a bit more to see. I wouldn’t mind if they’re waiting to announce their latest and the greatest so long as I get one! 😬

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LOL Mike thank you did you go with the 6050 and I assume you hung up with the mount and realize just like I did what a great mount it is.
Not yet... we are traveling in Iceland for 2 weeks and the check book is going to need a few weeks (months ) to recover. I’m toying with the idea of going for the 6050 as the handpicked components appeals to me vs the lottery of a 5050. On the other hand, I’m hoping the QA processes will tighten up overall production quality after a few months and allow Epson to produce higher quality optics for all projectors. Then again, that may just be a rationalization for buying the 5050. I’ll let you know when I finally upgrade my 8700UB.

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Not yet... we are traveling in Iceland for 2 weeks and the check book is going to need a few weeks (months ) to recover. I’m toying with the idea of going for the 6050 as the handpicked components appeals to me vs the lottery of a 5050. On the other hand, I’m hoping the QA processes will tighten up overall production quality after a few months and allow Epson to produce higher quality optics for all projectors. Then again, that may just be a rationalization for buying the 5050. I’ll let you know when I finally upgrade my 8700UB.

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My source is Kyle Reese But they will definitely announce it this time
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Unlike the 6040, is this new 6050 not ISF certified?
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Well I ordered mine today and it will be here mid-week. Going to project on the wall before I finalize my screen size but i am 99% sure I am using a 150” scope sized screen. The 6050 is my first projector so eager to get it up running. The dealer can do calibrations but I will wait until the room is done and borrow what settings I can get in the meantime
Run the bulb in for approximately 70-100hrs before considering any form of calibration.

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