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New Epson Pro Cinema 6050UB 4K Pro-UHD Projector First Look & Live Demo

On the day of the unveiling of the Pro Cinema 6050UB, Epson came to Manhattan and hosted AVS Forum members for a first look at this new home theater projector. Scenes from planet Earth two, Avengers Infinity War and Greatest Showman were shown in a home theater setting, with a focus on HDR and peak light output. The image on the screen absolutely sparkled, with specular highlights having met HDR pop to them. Thanks to the expert calibration by Kevin Miller, color tones were spot on accurate. The demo paid particular attention to skin tones and faces, as well as how well the projector teases out shadow detail.

Without question, the last thing on your mind when watching it is whether it’s a native 4K projector, or not. That’s because the combination of high brightness, high contrast, and high quality image processing produces a picture that—taken as a whole—leaves movie lovers feeling very satisfied. It’s a projector that is available at a very reasonable price given its capabilities, especially in consideration of the cost typically associated with obtaining high-quality projection in the custom integration market.

Epson made a particular point of noting that using 1080p LCDs and pixel-shifting allows it to deliver more light to the screen, and produce the projector at a lower price point while still equipping it with features—like a motorized lens that has highly accurate motors for repeatable aspect ratio changes—that are not even available on the least expensive native 4K projectors. Epson also emphasizes that is improved the pixel shifting by effectively speeding up the transition between two pixel positions. At the New York event, Epson showed how this worked, and even flew in engineers from Japan to answer any questions about the technology in its projectors.

And notably, at the end of the event, through a raffle, Epson gave away a Pro Cinema 6050UB to AVS Forum member @Dante Williams . Congratulations!
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What model(s) will be shown?


Will measurements be taken?


Prices revealed?


Etc?
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What model(s) will be shown?


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Please have a laser light engine.
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Please have a laser light engine.
This might be a demo of the 5050UB and 6050, since those are referred to as " new 4K PRO-UHD projectors " .
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This might be a demo of the 5050UB and 6050, since those are referred to as " new 4K PRO-UHD projectors " .
First look would've been a very poor choice of words if this is true!
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First look would've been a very poor choice of words if this is true!
They wouldn't be the first - http://cplt20official.com/epson-unve...hd-projectors/
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Oh I hear ya, I can't help to read it literally and jump straight on the hype train and tell it to go full speed!

Edit: Also if this was for the 5050UB this would be in the under 3k sub forum right?! ALLL ABOARD! haha!
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Oh I hear ya, I can't help to read it literally and jump straight on the hype train and tell it to go full speed!

Edit: Also if this was for the 5050UB this would be in the under 3k sub forum right?! ALLL ABOARD! haha!
Not if it includes the 6050 !! Tickets please......
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– live product demo on the day it announces!
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Oh I hear ya, I can't help to read it literally and jump straight on the hype train and tell it to go full speed!

Edit: Also if this was for the 5050UB this would be in the under 3k sub forum right?! ALLL ABOARD! haha!
Not if it includes the 6050 !! Tickets please...... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
If it included it wouldn’t this be posted in both!? This ride should be fun!
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This might be a demo of the 5050UB and 6050, since those are referred to as " new 4K PRO-UHD projectors " .
Annoyingly, neither of which are 4K or UHD lol
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Annoyingly, neither of which are 4K or UHD lol



So it is inconclusive whether that mysterious Epson projector has a native 4K resolution or not?
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So it is inconclusive whether that mysterious Epson projector has a native 4K resolution or not?
IDK Frank, it must be something new, I'm assuming Mark wouldn't post . . .

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– Live product demo on the day it announces!

– Be the first to see it
. . . if it wasn't a completely new unit. The 5050 and 6050 have already been announced and viewed by numerous people.

I'm crossing fingers that Epson have finally stepped up to the native 4K plate.
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Epson gave up on R-lcd ... so no new Epson Ls10500.

So maybe standard 4K LCD Panels?
Or laser with high lumens dci mode + eshift 4k lcd?

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So it is inconclusive whether that mysterious Epson projector has a native 4K resolution or not?
It's always inconclusive until it's actually announced. The term " 4K " is used for all sorts of things these days.
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I hate to be a cynic since I was excited when I first saw the graphic on the AVS homepage but I suspect this may just be a launch of the 6050UB for the US market; this model wasn't launched along with the 5050UB/UBe on April 9, so May 7 may be the day for its formal announcement. I'd be happy to be wrong though.
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I hate to be a cynic since I was excited when I first saw the graphic on the AVS homepage but I suspect this may just be a launch of the 6050UB for the US market; this model wasn't launched along with the 5050UB/UBe on April 9, so May 7 may be the day for its formal announcement. I'd be happy to be wrong though.
I do not know the exact day, but we all know the 6050 starts shipping in May.

Confirmed, Epson 6050.

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Please Native 4K LS11000 for under $10K... that way I can stop agonizing over potentially buying the BenQ 9060 with its lack of lens memory and deep blacks.
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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300592888.html

"AMSTERDAM, Feb. 6, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- (ISE 2018, Epson Booth #1-H90) – Epson, the number-one selling projector brand worldwide, today announced the world's first 12,000 lumen native 4K 3LCD laser projector, the Pro L12000Q. Epson also adds the compact Pro L20000U to its large venue projector line, boasting 20,000 lumens of color and white brightness1 and WUXGA resolution. Epson's new 3LCD laser projectors will be on display at ISE 2018 in Amsterdam from Feb. 6-9 at Epson's booth, #1-H90.
"
I tried to get the price/info about the Epson Pro L12000Q. (laser I assume).
I talked to a local distributor (through Epson). He said he will have to get back to me about it; that he himself had never heard of this projector and that it seems very new.

Currently, I am using an epson 4000; which I find to be absolutely an amazing projector, especially at the low price point! My prior projector was the Wolf DCX 1000i (3 chip dlp, list price $81,000!). The Epson was far superior to the huge wolf (Wolf's bulb was $1500 for 1500 hours of use and the Epson projector costed $1500!).

I have compared it to the BenQ 970 and the JVC NX5. While the Benq970 was "slightly" better for the picture and "much superior" due to the 5000 lumen light output, I found the epson 4000, which is about 80% cheaper to be pretty good. I am thinking.. that 12,000 lumens would make it amazing..

1. I don't know the contrast numbers of the Epson LCD and how it compares to the DLP and Lcos. How are 3 chip lcd chips, in comparision to the DLP and lcos? There are so many contrast numbers thrown around that I don't know which one to take seriously.
2. I keep hearing about "enhanced 4k" Vs real 4k. I assume the "real 4k" might well be some what superior but I am wondering if there is a "huge" difference in real "seen by an untrainded eye (like mine)" resolution.
3. How is the innovation in Epson's 3 chip lcd technology progressing, as compared to the DLP, Sony/Jvc Lcos? The Sony 4k LCOS is already about 5+ years old (Sony 1000) - essentially almost the same chip in the Sony 5000 (fixed the problem of contrast losses). Chip/Projector technology has been changing rapidly over the past 5 years..

4. I am not sure but I thought that Epson was the largest manufacturer of projectors? Albeint business projectors of course. After watching the a/b/c switched comparison of the Epson 4000, BenQ 970 and Jvc Nx5, and considering the price points, I formed an opinion that "the Epson 4000 is pretty good" and I should seriously consider an Epson for my next projector. The ideal projector for me would be the Sony 5000 but that is already 3 years old and some what above my budget (and I wonder about item 3 above).

Can someone who is experienced and has compared visually, these factors, please comment on these points?

I am looking forward to be reading about the Epson Pro L12000Q.. seems ideal for my 150" wide screen.
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Yes indeed!
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Please Native 4K LS11000 for under $10K... that way I can stop agonizing over potentially buying the BenQ 9060 with its lack of lens memory and deep blacks.
Same here.

A) What I like about the Epson LS10000:
- Laser source
- Great native contrast > 10000:1 and laser fade to perfect black
- 100% DCI @ ~1000 Lumens
- Less than 10K (in fact even less than 5K when I bought it new...)
- Very calm picture / no added noise to the picture like with the JVC X Series or some DLP
- Good 1080p FI
- Rock solid Gamma, contrast and colorspace even after 3 years and 3000 hours (JVC and Sony can already dream about that)
- Excellent HDR combined with madVR dynamic Tone Mapping
- Very silent up to medium laser mode. High Power is bearable with a movie even with the projector just above my head
- Motorized zoom and lens-shift with memory function

B) Now, what I would like to have in addition as an upgrade after 3 years waiting:
- a bit more lumens @100% DCI --> 1500Lumens would make me happy
- 4K FI
- Full 18gbits HDMI
- HDR compatible for source like Netflix where I can't use madVR awesome HDR tone mapping

Now, from what I have seen, there is no projector combining A) and B) together even after 3 years waiting...

The benq 9060 seems like the only "newer" projector which could serve as a replacement for my Epson EH-LS10000 but with some downgrades...
Positive would be:
+ Sharper
+ Brighter (with almost 100% DCI)
+ Much better ANSi Contrast (500 to 800:1 based on early feedback) instead of 220 to 300:1 with the LS10000.
+ 4K FI
+ 3D probably without ghosting
+ HDR Compatibility

Negative:
- Very bad native contrast: 1000:1 and only bearable dynamic contrast with 4000:1
- No motorized lens

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I think I would prefer a laser version of the Epson TW9040 with 100% DCI @1500 Lumens.
400 ANSI, 5000:1 ON-OFF
Still 4K E-shift but it ain't so bad...

Come on Epson, come back in the game.
The Epson EH-LS10000 was a great idea.
Now I get that the LCD-R panels were much too expensive to produce.
Allright... but at least give us a better version (laser with High Lumens DCI and working 4k FI) of the TW9400 /5050
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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300592888.html

"AMSTERDAM, Feb. 6, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- (ISE 2018, Epson Booth #1-H90) – Epson, the number-one selling projector brand worldwide, today announced the world's first 12,000 lumen native 4K 3LCD laser projector, the Pro L12000Q. Epson also adds the compact Pro L20000U to its large venue projector line, boasting 20,000 lumens of color and white brightness1 and WUXGA resolution. Epson's new 3LCD laser projectors will be on display at ISE 2018 in Amsterdam from Feb. 6-9 at Epson's booth, #1-H90.
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I tried to get the price/info about the Epson Pro L12000Q. (laser I assume).
I talked to a local distributor (through Epson). He said he will have to get back to me about it; that he himself had never heard of this projector and that it seems very new.

Currently, I am using an epson 4000; which I find to be absolutely an amazing projector, especially at the low price point! My prior projector was the Wolf DCX 1000i (3 chip dlp, list price $81,000!). The Epson was far superior to the huge wolf (Wolf's bulb was $1500 for 1500 hours of use and the Epson projector costed $1500!).

I have compared it to the BenQ 970 and the JVC NX5. While the Benq970 was "slightly" better for the picture and "much superior" due to the 5000 lumen light output, I found the epson 4000, which is about 80% cheaper to be pretty good. I am thinking.. that 12,000 lumens would make it amazing..

1. I don't know the contrast numbers of the Epson LCD and how it compares to the DLP and Lcos. How are 3 chip lcd chips, in comparision to the DLP and lcos? There are so many contrast numbers thrown around that I don't know which one to take seriously.
2. I keep hearing about "enhanced 4k" Vs real 4k. I assume the "real 4k" might well be some what superior but I am wondering if there is a "huge" difference in real "seen by an untrainded eye (like mine)" resolution.
3. How is the innovation in Epson's 3 chip lcd technology progressing, as compared to the DLP, Sony/Jvc Lcos? The Sony 4k LCOS is already about 5+ years old (Sony 1000) - essentially almost the same chip in the Sony 5000 (fixed the problem of contrast losses). Chip/Projector technology has been changing rapidly over the past 5 years..

4. I am not sure but I thought that Epson was the largest manufacturer of projectors? Albeint business projectors of course. After watching the a/b/c switched comparison of the Epson 4000, BenQ 970 and Jvc Nx5, and considering the price points, I formed an opinion that "the Epson 4000 is pretty good" and I should seriously consider an Epson for my next projector. The ideal projector for me would be the Sony 5000 but that is already 3 years old and some what above my budget (and I wonder about item 3 above).

Can someone who is experienced and has compared visually, these factors, please comment on these points?

I am looking forward to be reading about the Epson Pro L12000Q.. seems ideal for my 150" wide screen.
The L12000Q looks to me to be the replacement for the L11000U.
https://protechprojection.com/epson-...caAoPPEALw_wcB
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I am looking forward to be reading about the Epson Pro L12000Q.. seems ideal for my 150" wide screen.
With a screen your size and your room not being a black pit, I imagine lumens are going to be pretty much paramount to anything else. The Epson might be worth looking into and you won't have to worry about dreaded DLP rainbows.
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With a screen your size and your room not being a black pit, I imagine lumens are going to be pretty much paramount to anything else. The Epson might be worth looking into and you won't have to worry about dreaded DLP rainbows.
I didn't notice rainbow on benq lk970 dlp. I am probably not sensitive to them but you never know.. it might take a few days to develop sensitivity?

My room is light controlled. Black ceiling. Dark walls. black carpet for 10 ft from screen (rest is white - I didn't want a complete gloomy dark bat cave). Sofas are white.. again.. to make the room not be a bat cave. I did cover the sofas with black fabric for a while but that didnt make a huge difference.
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Same here.

A) What I like about the Epson LS10000:
- Laser source
- Great native contrast > 10000:1 and laser fade to perfect black
- 100% DCI @ ~1000 Lumens
- Less than 10K (in fact even less than 5K when I bought it new...)
- Very calm picture / no added noise to the picture like with the JVC X Series or some DLP
- Good 1080p FI
- Rock solid Gamma, contrast and colorspace even after 3 years and 3000 hours (JVC and Sony can already dream about that)
- Excellent HDR combined with madVR dynamic Tone Mapping
- Very silent up to medium laser mode. High Power is bearable with a movie even with the projector just above my head
- Motorized zoom and lens-shift with memory function

B) Now, what I would like to have in addition as an upgrade after 3 years waiting:
- a bit more lumens @100% DCI --> 1500Lumens would make me happy
- 4K FI
- Full 18gbits HDMI
- HDR compatible for source like Netflix where I can't use madVR awesome HDR tone mapping

Now, from what I have seen, there is no projector combining A) and B) together even after 3 years waiting...

The benq 9060 seems like the only "newer" projector which could serve as a replacement for my Epson EH-LS10000 but with some downgrades...
Positive would be:
+ Sharper
+ Brighter (with almost 100% DCI)
+ Much better ANSi Contrast (500 to 800:1 based on early feedback) instead of 220 to 300:1 with the LS10000.
+ 4K FI
+ 3D probably without ghosting
+ HDR Compatibility

Negative:
- Very bad native contrast: 1000:1 and only bearable dynamic contrast with 4000:1
- No motorized lens

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I think I would prefer a laser version of the Epson TW9040 with 100% DCI @1500 Lumens.
400 ANSI, 5000:1 ON-OFF
Still 4K E-shift but it ain't so bad...

Come on Epson, come back in the game.
The Epson EH-LS10000 was a great idea.
Now I get that the LCD-R panels were much too expensive to produce.
Allright... but at least give us a better version (laser with High Lumens DCI and working 4k FI) of the TW9400 /5050
I have an Epson LS10000 along with 2 JVC projectors, 2 LCDs, 4 DLPs (all are 3D projectors) and 2 65" 3D OLED TVs. I was very frustrated with the LS10000's 3D due to some annoying "ghosting". I finally tried going into the 3D settings and playing with the depth settings. First I tried decreasing depth by a couple of clicks -- no go. I then tried the counter intuitive thing and increased depth by two clicks and was shocked when all the cross-talk I had been seeing disappeared. I then revisited all the 3D scenes in a number of movies which tripped up the LS10000 and they all played perfectly. The LS10000 is now my favourite 3D projector. I have no idea why such a simple change to the depth setting would make a dramatic improvement to the 3D image but in my case it did and I'm relieved and very thankful.
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Hmmm.

If this becomes a bright enough, reasonably priced 4000+ lumen 4k laser projector for my 150" scope screen... I definitely wont complain. I have thoroughly enjoyed by 5020 and 5040 ub's.

Right now am struggling between the BenQ 970 vs 990 and still the VW5000 isnt 100% out of the picture yet, but again not too interested in spending 40k on a 3 year old projector.
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