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Projector Recommendations Needed!

I am trying to get my home theater all set up and I am to the point where I need to figure out display devices. I was originally looking at doing a large 80"+ LED TV but now considering a projector with 100 - 110" screen. I would more than likely use EliteScreens Aeon since that seems to be a pretty cost effective option. What are some decent 4k or FauxK projectors that would do well in a dark theater room? Deep black levels and HDR performance is preffered. Budget would be $3,000 or less. I believe my projector outlet is ~13' from the front wall.

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I am trying to get my home theater all set up and I am to the point where I need to figure out display devices. I was originally looking at doing a large 80"+ LED TV but now considering a projector with 100 - 110" screen. I would more than likely use EliteScreens Aeon since that seems to be a pretty cost effective option. What are some decent 4k or FauxK projectors that would do well in a dark theater room? Deep black levels and HDR performance is preffered. Budget would be $3,000 or less. I believe my projector outlet is ~13' from the front wall.

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Epson 5040 or Epson 5050, the 5050 is better for HDR supposedly.
Buy the projector first, then use the wall to project, figure out how big you can go after mounting the projector.
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Epson 5040 or Epson 5050, the 5050 is better for HDR supposedly.

Buy the projector first, then use the wall to project, figure out how big you can go after mounting the projector.

Get the screen later.


Thanks for that. My seating position would be around 8’, do you think 110 would be too much?
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Thanks for that. My seating position would be around 8’, do you think 110 would be too much?

I have an Optoma UHD60 and sit about 10 feet from a 110" screen and it's just about right to me. 8 feet might be fine to you or it might be too much. That's why it's a good idea to get the projector mounted and project on to the wall first, so you can determine what screen size will work best for you given your room dimensions and seating layout.

For projectors, there's been a lot of buzz lately about the BenQ HT5550 and the Epson 5050UB. Both look to be very good sub 3k projectors. If you are going to sit very close to the screen, you may give the BenQ a look as it has an advantage in sharpness and amount of pixels on screen, whereas you may notice a screen door effect on the Epson. If you are not too close and you value deeper blacks and a more saturated and brighter color then the Epson is probably the better choice.


As for screens, you may want to consider the Silver Ticket screens as well. They are excellent quality and very cost effective. My 110" White Silver Ticket screen cost about 240 or so when I purchased it a year ago.
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I have an Optoma UHD60 and sit about 10 feet from a 110" screen and it's just about right to me. 8 feet might be fine to you or it might be too much. That's why it's a good idea to get the projector mounted and project on to the wall first, so you can determine what screen size will work best for you given your room dimensions and seating layout.

For projectors, there's been a lot of buzz lately about the BenQ HT5550 and the Epson 5050UB. Both look to be very good sub 3k projectors. If you are going to sit very close to the screen, you may give the BenQ a look as it has an advantage in sharpness and amount of pixels on screen, whereas you may notice a screen door effect on the Epson. If you are not too close and you value deeper blacks and a more saturated and brighter color then the Epson is probably the better choice.


As for screens, you may want to consider the Silver Ticket screens as well. They are excellent quality and very cost effective. My 110" White Silver Ticket screen cost about 240 or so when I purchased it a year ago.


Great information! Thanks. Do projectors get bright enough to really highlight HDR?
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Great information! Thanks. Do projectors get bright enough to really highlight HDR?

Not really, no. However, they have something called tone mapping that helps level the playing field a bit. The BenQ HT5550 has built in tone mapping. Also, the Panasonic DP-UB820 has tone mapping for when you play 4k blu rays, which works very well with projectors.
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If your room is completely light controlled, I'd consider something from JVC for superior black levels and HDR representation (if you can track down a deal)... if not, the 5050/6050 (or 5040 refurb when they pop up for $1200) is probably the better choice, though I'm not sure I'd stretch the budget for the 6050 which basically amounts to a 5050 with a black case, slightly superior (through yield-sorting) version of the same lens, and longer warranty (the latter can be offset by buying with a credit card that matches/doubles the mfg warranty). I'm not sure screen-door is something I'd put much weight on when considering the 5050/5040... pixel-shift essentially eliminates this except at extreme inspection.

With any of these models with a powered/memory lens, you also seem like a decent candidate for a 2.35:1 screen as well... you'll compromise some screen size with 16:9 material but, if film viewing is your primary concern, a 2.35:1 screen can really up the immersion factor, especially at that seating distance and also keep 16:9 material from being overwhelming at that seating distance. A 125" 2.35:1 screen would still net a 100" 16:9 picture, and a 115" 2.35:1 would give ~92" 16:9, either of which would be good choices for the 8' seating distance depending on personal taste. As others have mentioned, get the projector and set it up, see what you like, and then buy a screen.
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The JVC is better, but he would have to go used most likely to get one in that price range.
The days of sub-$3k JVC's seem to be mostly over, but good deals will come back now and then.

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The JVC is better, but he would have to go used most likely to get one in that price range.

The days of sub-$3k JVC's seem to be mostly over, but good deals will come back now and then.
An RS400 goes for about $3k. Think for 110" he needs about a 12'9" distance from the back of the projector. Throw distance is 11'2" for 110".

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An RS400 goes for about $3k. Think for 110" he needs about a 12'9" distance from the back of the projector. Throw distance is 11'2" for 110".
If there is any valid new stock left, which is probably unlikely.
If any dealer is still offering an RS-400 at this point, they are probably not a real JVC authorized dealer, but who knows...
Unless it is a B-stock or something...

JVC doesn't even have any RS-540's left in production (they may make one more batch), much less a 3-year old RS-400.

Even the newer JVC's are experiencing shortages in production.
So there is already a shortage of JVC's compared to previous years.

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If there is any valid new stock left, which is probably unlikely.

If any dealer is still offering an RS-400 at this point, they are probably not a real JVC authorized dealer, but who knows...

Unless it is a B-stock or something...



JVC doesn't even have any RS-540's left in production (they may make one more batch), much less a 3-year old RS-400.



Even the newer JVC's are experiencing shortages in production.

So there is already a shortage of JVC's compared to previous years.
True on the not authorized aspect. Amazing to see it available at a few places. Why would non authorized dealers buy so much new stock? I'm all for saving money, but it's a tough sell dropping $3k for a three month warranty from a seller (as I've found out by chatting with them.) Didn't realize demand was so high or stock was that low.

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I see some RS-420's online, maybe they are authorized, but I don't know.
I guess if a site that mainly deals in TV's then got stuck with a few JVC's they couldn't sell.

It doesn't really make all that much sense though that some places would still be selling RS-4xx's...

However, even that price is a bit high for that projector, as they used to go for even less.

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If your room is completely light controlled, I'd consider something from JVC for superior black levels and HDR representation (if you can track down a deal)... if not, the 5050/6050 (or 5040 refurb when they pop up for $1200) is probably the better choice, though I'm not sure I'd stretch the budget for the 6050 which basically amounts to a 5050 with a black case, slightly superior (through yield-sorting) version of the same lens, and longer warranty (the latter can be offset by buying with a credit card that matches/doubles the mfg warranty). I'm not sure screen-door is something I'd put much weight on when considering the 5050/5040... pixel-shift essentially eliminates this except at extreme inspection.



With any of these models with a powered/memory lens, you also seem like a decent candidate for a 2.35:1 screen as well... you'll compromise some screen size with 16:9 material but, if film viewing is your primary concern, a 2.35:1 screen can really up the immersion factor, especially at that seating distance and also keep 16:9 material from being overwhelming at that seating distance. A 125" 2.35:1 screen would still net a 100" 16:9 picture, and a 115" 2.35:1 would give ~92" 16:9, either of which would be good choices for the 8' seating distance depending on personal taste. As others have mentioned, get the projector and set it up, see what you like, and then buy a screen.


What would you recommend to achieve 2.35:1 using best for the money equipment? I’m by no means a videophile but I also don’t want to cheap out if I can spend a little bit extra to take me to the next step.
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Thanks for that. My seating position would be around 8’, do you think 110 would be too much?
I went with a 92” screen in my living room and now I want something bigger. The room is around 20’x20’. 92” was huge compared to my last tv. If I were you, I’d get the projector set up and just project it on to the wall for a while. Then can decide what size you like.
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What would you recommend to achieve 2.35:1 using best for the money equipment? I’m by no means a videophile but I also don’t want to cheap out if I can spend a little bit extra to take me to the next step.
It stretches the budget, but the JVC is a lot better IMO.
I would go with a JVC, contact various JVC dealers directly and call them.

ClevelandPlasma is one...
AVscience.com is another (Craig or Mike)...

You don't need anything extra for 2.35, both the JVC and Epsons can do it.

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It stretches the budget, but the JVC is a lot better IMO.
I would go with a JVC, contact various JVC dealers directly and call them.

ClevelandPlasma is one...
AVscience.com is another (Craig or Mike)...

You don't need anything extra for 2.35, both the JVC and Epsons can do it.
Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure if I needed an anamorphic lens or what not.
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If you are really into deep black, then JVC is your best bet. Epson and Sony aren't to bad though if you can't find a JVC.

Call Mike Garrett or Craig Peer at AVscience and see what deals they have. IIRC they had a Sony 285 for under $3k recently.

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Is this a good deal? Sony 285ES Native 4k projector. It has 1580 bulb hours. $2,500
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It's a good price for that unit, but it doesn't support lens memory or have that great of black levels. There is no dynamic iris and the native contrast is only around 5000:1 or so. However, I'd probably still take that over an Epson, but some Sony's also have contrast loss over time which can be problematic. Not sure if it is fixed in that model or not.

The JVC RS-420 or RS-440 will give you native around 25k:1 and dynamic probably over 150k:1...

So at least 5x the native contrast and 20x+ the dynamic.

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It's a good price for that unit, but it doesn't support lens memory or have that great of black levels. There is no dynamic iris and the native contrast is only around 5000:1 or so. However, I'd probably still take that over an Epson, but some Sony's also have contrast loss over time which can be problematic. Not sure if it is fixed in that model or not.



The JVC RS-420 or RS-440 will give you native around 25k:1 and dynamic probably over 150k:1...



So at least 5x the native contrast and 20x+ the dynamic.


Thanks. I might just bite the bullet and pick up the JVC NX5.
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I have a PT-AE4000. It has served me well, but I left it on a few times and it has 1700 hours on the lamp and the replace lamp light is on. This is the second lamp I have installed since I bought it in 2009. I love the projector, but a new manufacture lamp is $300-450. Maybe time for a new projector with a better auto shut off.
1. Will the 4010 shut off after it is on for a day/few hours or a blanc screen? 2. Does the 4010 have Lens Memory load that can auto switch? I read the 4010 manual, but it is not clear to me or this feature is not available in 4K. I have a 16x9 screen that I use as a cinemascope screen. I want to have 16x9 material to take part of the screen and and cinemscope to fill up the complete width of the screen. From what I read this is not possible in 4k with the 4010 or am I not understanding it correctly. Attached is a picture of my screen. thank for your help and opinions.
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The 4010 has power lens memory but it won't shift automatic you still need to press a button on the remote. It works in all modes. Most TV and projectors have an auto shut off if they stop receiving a signal but unfortunately many of the media players like my FireTV's continue to send a signal even when the screen goes black thus the auto shut off doesn't work. Not sure if the Epson has it but it most likely does.

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Thanks. I might just bite the bullet and pick up the JVC NX5.
Personally, I'd pick a 790/540 (cheaper and MUCH better contrast) over the NX5. OTOH the NX7 would be my preference/top recommendation for price/performance.

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Personally, I'd pick a 790/540 (cheaper and MUCH better contrast) over the NX5. OTOH the NX7 would be my preference/top recommendation for price/performance.


Is the eshift noticeable at close distances?
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Is the eshift noticeable at close distances?
Sonically, or visibly?

It's less audible than my Epson was.

Visually it's also much better than my Epson was (less screen door effect). 4K content is certainly much sharper with eshift on, and nothing negative to complain about from my 8.5-10' seating distance.

Subjectively, I feel contrast is much more noticeable than real 4K vs JVC's eshift. Contrast is noticeable on all content to anyone who watches on my system, whereas true 4K seems to be icing on the cake when you're actively looking for it. That being said I'd still take an NX7 over 790, especially with the new HDR tone-mapping.
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For what it's worth...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/JVC-DLA-X57...e3fc%7Ciid%3A1

Not mine. I just got a X590 off eBay for under $2K.

The ability to get a recent model JVC with low hours in our sub-$3,000 price category makes going with Epson very difficult. I think there really needs to be a shootout between the 5050 and the X590/RS440 as there may be some (or many) looking at exactly that comparison.

Yet, from everything I've heard, the X790 is a solid step up from the X590, which means it likely is a good step ahead of the Epson models.

I continue to be blown away when I turn on the JVC and their DILA logo pops up right at the beginning from a near perfectly black screen.

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I’ve decided if I do CinemaScope screen it will be 103”. This seems ideal for 8’ seating but also gives me ~87” 16x9 screen for HDTV.
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I don't think we ever asked the full dimensions of your room (or maybe you had another thread, not sure).

That is a bit small for 8' away, might seem ideal, but ideal from 8' is more like 110" to 130" 2.35 (this is the range most prefer - probably 90% or more of people).

Keep in mind that you say your outlet is 13' from the wall, but you will need another 2 feet of depth between the front of the lens to the wall for a JVC due to its length.
Some of the other projectors like Benq DLP's usually only need about 1 foot depth, the Epson needs about 18 inches.

That is why I usually only recommend a JVC if you have a room with at least 15' of depth, otherwise it is going to be a bit of a smaller screen.
However, if you think you'll be happy with the smaller screen, then it is ok, but most people that do that end up upgrading the screen later.

It might seem too big at first, but you get used to it pretty quickly, and probably one the biggest mistakes people make that are new to this is getting too small of a screen.

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I don't think we ever asked the full dimensions of your room (or maybe you had another thread, not sure).



That is a bit small for 8' away, might seem ideal, but ideal from 8' is more like 110" to 130" 2.35 (this is the range most prefer - probably 90% or more of people).



Keep in mind that you say your outlet is 13' from the wall, but you will need another 2 feet of depth between the front of the lens to the wall for a JVC due to its length.

Some of the other projectors like Benq DLP's usually only need about 1 foot depth, the Epson needs about 18 inches.



That is why I usually only recommend a JVC if you have a room with at least 15' of depth, otherwise it is going to be a bit of a smaller screen.

However, if you think you'll be happy with the smaller screen, then it is ok, but most people that do that end up upgrading the screen later.



It might seem too big at first, but you get used to it pretty quickly, and probably one the biggest mistakes people make that are new to this is getting too small of a screen.

Thanks for the input. Here is a rough schematic of my room layout. I have 3’ from back of wall to projector outlet placement, which is 13’ from front wall. With my floor speakers, which are 36” tall, I believe a 120” screen should fit between them, assuming I mount the bottom of the screen 36” or below to the floor.

I went to bestbuy and checked out the Epson 6050 I believe. It looks really good in a dark room.


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I have a 12' wide room and MA floor standing speakers. Can easily fit a 120" screen between them with a little bit of room to spare. If I ever decided to go in wall with the speakers, I'd contemplate jumping up a size just for the extra width for movies.

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