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ViewSonic X10-4K DLP LED 4K projector

I received two days ago, the brand new Xgimi killer, the X10-4K! An all-in-one, short-throw, intelligent projector with LED light source and 4Kx4 XPR processing
The new ViewSonic will be available in Europe at the end of the month at a price of €1399.
His test will be published on my blog next week and in the meantime you can already discover it in video here :



https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...ntation-video/


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I received two days ago, the brand new Xgimi killer, the X10-4K! An all-in-one, short-throw, intelligent projector with LED light source and 4Kx4 XPR processing
The new ViewSonic will be available in Europe at the end of the month at a price of €1399.
His test will be published on my blog next week and in the meantime you can already discover it in video here :



https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...ntation-video/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE_v-OB-HrY
Thanks for the info! I've been awaiting this model with some excitement. Any sense initially if this will be brighter then the Optoma uhl55?
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Hi timshadler, the X10-4 is brighter.
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ViewSonic X10-4K DLP LED 4K projector

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I received two days ago, the brand new Xgimi killer, the X10-4K! An all-in-one, short-throw, intelligent projector with LED light source and 4Kx4 XPR processing
The new ViewSonic will be available in Europe at the end of the month at a price of €1399.
His test will be published on my blog next week and in the meantime you can already discover it in video here :



https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...ntation-video/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE_v-OB-HrY


Thank you for sharing. Any information on this projectors sibling (the x1000)?
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Thank you for sharing. Any information on this projectors sibling (the x1000)?

Not before this Fall.
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Not before this Fall.


Thank you, I speculate this projector is the same in every way except for the lens. So I am happy to see your enthusiasm for the x10. I hope the UST optics don’t have a negative impact on the x1000
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Please check input lag!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Is this the first and only true short throw 4k PJ?


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Checking the video, it says 100ms with interpolation and 66ms with gaming mode...better than any UST projector (around 100ms) but not ideal yet :I
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Not before this Fall.
according to this, it should be out in spring

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/news/vi...ent-projectors

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Not before this Fall.
according to this, it should be out in spring

https://www.viewsonic.com/us/news/vi...ent-projectors
No any chance, X100 and X1000 will come this September.
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No any chance, X100 and X1000 will come this September.
I heard September 16th to October 12th with final date tba later but ymmv.

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The first test of the ViewSonic X10-4K is online, I have placed an English translation of the text at the end.







https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
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The first test of the ViewSonic X10-4K is online, I have placed an English translation of the text at the end.







https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
Thanks for the translation! Google translate is sometimes pretty incoherent
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kraine - Any feedback on the 3D. Also is frame interpolation available in the 3D mode?

Thanks!
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Your Darkstar screen is ALR, correct? Lusoscreen does not specify a minimum throw ratio but typically ALR screens require a minimum throw around 1.5. The X10-4K has a throw of 0.8 which could very well have caused the hot spotting and poor contrast at the edges.

Was the contrast measured at the bottom center of the image, where the ALR would have had minimal impact because of the short throw ratio?
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Your Darkstar screen is ALR, correct? Lusoscreen does not specify a minimum throw ratio but typically ALR screens require a minimum throw around 1.5. The X10-4K has a throw of 0.8 which could very well have caused the hot spotting and poor contrast at the edges.

Was the contrast measured at the bottom center of the image, where the ALR would have had
minimal impact because of the short throw ratio?
I’m not measuring the screen but the projector. So the probe is oriented to the Lens of the X10-4K and not to the Lusocreen.
The real gain of the dark star is an average of 0.6 (not the peak gain) and I have already tested other ST projector on it with less hotspot effect.

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kraine - Any feedback on the 3D. Also is frame interpolation available in the 3D mode?

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Sorry I’m not testing 3D anymore.
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I’ m not measuring the screen but thé projector. So the probe is oriented to the Lens of the X10-4K and not the Lusocreen.
The real gain of the dark star is an average of 0.6 (not the peak gain) and I have already tested other ST projector on it with less hotspot effect.
Got it. Thanks for your review!
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The first test of the ViewSonic X10-4K is online, I have placed an English translation of the text at the end.

https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
Your extra effort to include an English translation is greatly appreciated. Thank you for adding this feature to your reviews.

In this review you made the following comment:

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LED contrast measurements are always lower than equivalent lamp models
Do you know what the reason is for this? I understand that the HK effect gives LED projectors an advantage of appearing to be brighter than they measure due to more saturated colors. But I haven't seen any explanation of why LED projectors would have lower contrast than projectors using UHP lamps. Could this be a negative issue with the HK effect? Is it measured contrast or perceived contrast that is lower or is it both?
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The native contrast is atrocious, I would only buy this PJ as a last resort IMO.
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Sorry I’m not testing 3D anymore.
Sorry, i’m not reading your reviews anymore.

I have a large collection of 3D titles, its an important feature to me, i need to read reviews that appreciate that fact and that others will be in the same boat as me, if folks cannot be bothered to review that feature then i cannot be bothered to read their review.

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It is your choice, just as it is mine to no longer test an element abandoned by the publishers.
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Do you know what the reason is for this? I understand that the HK effect gives LED projectors an advantage of appearing to be brighter than they measure due to more saturated colors. But I haven't seen any explanation of why LED projectors would have lower contrast than projectors using UHP lamps. Could this be a negative issue with the HK effect? Is it measured contrast or perceived contrast that is lower or is it both?



Hi Dave in Green I have no explanation, it's just the experience of all my LED projector tests that speaks. In any case, the visual contrast seems better than the measurements (but not by much).
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Sorry, i’m not reading your reviews anymore.

I have a large collection of 3D titles, its an important feature to me, i need to read reviews that appreciate that fact and that others will be in the same boat as me, if folks cannot be bothered to review that feature then i cannot be bothered to read their review.

Have a great day.
There are still quite a few 3D BD's being released, if the projector has the capability of displaying 3D, there should be a brief discussion of it's capabilities in any projector review.

I have a very bright Viewsonic Laser DLP I'm currently testing with 3D and will post details on it soon.
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Hi Dave in Green I have no explanation, it's just the experience of all my LED projector tests that speaks. In any case, the visual contrast seems better than the measurements (but not by much).
I think it's important to try to discover if there is a true difference between UHP lamp and LED illuminated projector visual contrast performance or if there may be another factor that's different about these projectors. The HK effect is proven to be true, so for projectors it's a definite advantage of LEDs over UHP lamps. If there is another effect that causes LED illumination to produce worse contrast than UHP lamps then that would be a disadvantage for LED projectors. Perhaps you could ask the people you know at the projector companies if they have an explanation for this.
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Looks interesting but will hold off for now as i am after the UST version. It is hard to not buy something but i think by waiting a few months i will have more options and also opportunity of a warranty form a product i haven't had to import from China
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Bonjour Kraine,

Thank you for making this extensive review and the english translation.

If i would connect this projector to my pc, what resolution will the pc output be set at? 4k or 1080p and then upscaled by the projector to 4k?

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