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TL;DR: Need a projector that can been seen in a room with windows mid-day that's viewable from 40' away, with a maximum 20' wide temporary screen in a 9' ceiling room (see photo).

Looking for a projector. I'm out of the loop and haven't read all the wiki's and forums. Usually I research but I have to have it in 10 days.

My boss says "What's the best one?" I'm sure there's some $50k models they use at the local theaters I said jokingly.

He told me yesterday I'm in charge of setting up the A/V. Today I saw the space. Their existing Optoma is tiny and has VGA/DVI. I didn't see the model number or take time to look at what model it was because I was told it doesn't work.

Any input I would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi,

any projector, no matter how bright and expensive it is, will look very washed out in a room like that. So, invest at least some hundred bucks to darken those windows.

Which wall are you going to have the image on? The one where the TV is? For a 20' wide screen, I would say you'll need a projector with some 6000/7000 lumens, and laser light is preferable to avoid lamp replacement and maintenance.

What's the purpose of the projector? What kind of content are you going to use it for?

There's options within this criteria from $2500. Spending more on it depends on what you'll need it for, and also on how dark the room will be. If there's a lot of ambient light in the room, spending more on a projector with greater contrast will be mostly a waste of money.

Generally speaking, an LCD projector will be more comfortable for most people's sight, but DLP projectors will have a sharper image. Also, LCD projectors generally have more accurate color with higher brightness levels.

Here's a list of options:

https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...&ltg=4&db=#top
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A 20' wide screen that produces a quality image midday in a room with a large bank of windows would require industrial strength lumens to properly illuminate. Knowing the exact model of the current projector would tell us how many lumens they were previously satisfied with having. Then it would be a matter of understanding whether or not they would prefer the new projector to be somewhat brighter or roughly the same as the current model.

Another question would be the aspect ratio of the current screen, i.e. 4:3, 16:9, 16:10, etc., as it would make sense to get a projector with the same native aspect ratio as the screen. Of course the always important question is how much they have budgeted for the new projector. There are some pretty bright business projectors available at fairly reasonable prices as long as they have reasonable expectations for what they're willing to spend. There's no reason to consider theater-type projector models for this specialized bright room use as they are more optimized for optimum black levels than maximum lumens.

With video projection setups the devil is in the details. So if you really want to be helpful in choosing the best replacement projector it's important to have answers to questions like the ones above.
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TL;DR: Need a projector that can been seen in a room with windows mid-day that's viewable from 40' away, with a maximum 20' wide temporary screen in a 9' ceiling room (see photo).

Looking for a projector. I'm out of the loop and haven't read all the wiki's and forums. Usually I research but I have to have it in 10 days.

My boss says "What's the best one?" I'm sure there's some $50k models they use at the local theaters I said jokingly.

He told me yesterday I'm in charge of setting up the A/V. Today I saw the space. Their existing Optoma is tiny and has VGA/DVI. I didn't see the model number or take time to look at what model it was because I was told it doesn't work.

Any input I would be greatly appreciated.
I think your best bet is to google "projector rental" and contact someone in your area for help.

Companies like Nationwide Video will rent, lease, and sell equipment. Nationwide Video and other local AV companies are professionals and work with rooms exactly like yours every day of the week. They can send someone to your room and recommend/supply equipment for your needs. It will save you time, cover questions that you might not realize you need to ask, and avoid sorting through and trying to vet opinions from a public forum.

You have blinds on the windows and light switches so you have reasonable control of ambient light. What you want to do is very doable with one exception, that is you can't use a 20 foot wide screen with a 9 foot ceiling with a 16:9, 16:10, or 4:3 aspect image as the ceiling is too short. You can maybe squeeze in a 2.39/2.35:1 screen that's 20 foot wide if the screen's frame is not too wide. So you will have to rethink screen or image size.
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I missed the 9' ceiling part of the 20' wide screen and thought there was already a screen in place. I agree with @b curry that choosing the best business setup is best left to professionals and not casually thrown together based on limited details presented on a primarily home video forum.
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Thanks for all the input! Fast too.
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This isn't rocket science and doesn't require a 'professional' which is going to try to sell you a bunch of stuff you may or may not need.

That room is ok for a projector, but it would be best with some mods. I'd create an angular curtain in each corner of the wall to block side reflecting light from the screen and room. I'd also put curtains to the left and right of the screen and on the back wall if possible. Normally you'd want to do curtains everywhere, but I doubt that would work that well in that room, just keep the blinds closed for the first few rows.

Use the ProjectorCentral search function by Lumens as noted above, but for a quick look, also see Epson's refurb business unit site.

Look at Epson LCD refurb business units on Epson's refurb site and look at lumens, even if you are not looking to buy a refurb, this is a good start to familiarize yourself with how many lumens you can get.

https://epson.com/Clearance-Center/Projectors-for-Work/

PowerLite Pro G6970WUNL does 6000 Lumens
Powerlite Pro z10005WUNL does 10,000 Lumens

You have to buy the lens separately. There are other options that are much cheaper that can do around 5000 Lumens.

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This isn't rocket science and doesn't require a 'professional' which is going to try to sell you a bunch of stuff you may or may not need. ...
Of course you don't need to accept all the more expensive options a professional AV service offers. You can always request less costly options. But it really depends a lot on whether the business that requires the AV setup is big and profitable enough to have a reasonable AV budget or if it's a small mom and pop operation trying to cut corners. Having an amateur throw something together based on casual forum advice has the potential to result in something that doesn't work all that well and ends up wasting resources.
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If you can find someone you can trust, this business is littered with people trying to sell overpriced and unnecessary stuff. There is only so much you can do with a projector in a lit up room. From the pro installs I've seen, about half of them were amateurs.

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So it seems the last time the OP asked here for advice on a business projector setup he got free advice here from @AV_Integrated , a professional AV installation specialist with a lot of experience in business projector setups:

avsforum.com/forum/68-digital-projectors-under-3-000-usd-msrp/1501992-training-room-need-help.html
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