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Help - BenQ HT3550 vs Optoma UHD60 vs ????

My room is painted white but I have a very large ambient light control outside of that (basement with windows covered) and I am planning to ceiling mount the project about 13 feet from the screen wall. I am trying to find a decent projector for my scenario. I think both of these are viable but I can't view either in person to see if I like one better than the other. I am also open to recommendations otherwise, primarily trying to stay below $2500 and want to purchase through Amazon. I plan to do a painted grey screen but am also open to other DIY screen options.

Basically, I am leaning towards the UHD60 for the occasional console / PC gaming as the input lag on HT3550 seems to be bad comparatively but will 90% use as a home theater. I've looked at the 5050UB as well but didn't see what that cost got me over the UHD60 ($1200 more).
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TL;DR: Looking for a projector that will fit well in a white painted room, low ambient light, ~13 foot throw distance, ceiling-mounted, 4K, below or around $2500, primarily HT use but light gaming / PC use.
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Coming from the UHD60, I would recommend the Epson 5050UB or BenQ HT5550. In case you’re wondering, I sold my UHD60 and bought a used Sony VPL-VW695ES as I was looking for better black levels and a native 4K image.
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The Epson 4010 would also be high on my list. If movie watching is the primary use then a 2:35 screen might be a better option. Slightly more expensive then the 3550 but the power lens memory is required for scope AR. With a white room contrast isn't as big of a concern so that's why the 4010 over the 5050 is a good choice. If 4K is a high priority and you invest in UHD disks then the 3550 might be a better choice.

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Coming from the UHD60, I would recommend the Epson 5050UB or BenQ HT5550. In case you’re wondering, I sold my UHD60 and bought a used Sony VPL-VW695ES as I was looking for better black levels and a native 4K image.
Any reason for recommending those over the UHD60? Obviously they're newer so I would expect better features / addressing issues from previous generations but I can't find the HT5550 on Amazon as it's dealer / installer exclusive (I think?) and the 5050UB is quite a bit more price wise. Since neither of those would be a native 4K image and the black levels likely won't be great regardless due to my setup.
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The Epson 4010 would also be high on my list. If movie watching is the primary use then a 2:35 screen might be a better option. Slightly more expensive then the 3550 but the power lens memory is required for scope AR. With a white room contrast isn't as big of a concern so that's why the 4010 over the 5050 is a good choice. If 4K is a high priority and you invest in UHD disks then the 3550 might be a better choice.
4K is a high priority for me, would you recommend the 3550 over the 5050?
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My room is painted white but I have a very large ambient light control outside of that (basement with windows covered) and I am planning to ceiling mount the project about 13 feet from the screen wall. I am trying to find a decent projector for my scenario. I think both of these are viable but I can't view either in person to see if I like one better than the other. I am also open to recommendations otherwise, primarily trying to stay below $2500 and want to purchase through Amazon. I plan to do a painted grey screen but am also open to other DIY screen options.

Basically, I am leaning towards the UHD60 for the occasional console / PC gaming as the input lag on HT3550 seems to be bad comparatively but will 90% use as a home theater. I've looked at the 5050UB as well but didn't see what that cost got me over the UHD60 ($1200 more).
When I was originally venturing into the whole projector home cinema scene I had my heart set on getting a 4K projector but the guy who at the time was going to help set everything up suggested looking at the Sony HW45es, I thought to myself that's only 1080P why would I go for what in my mind was old tech when 4K was the future but I decided to listen to him and go demo both setups. Luck for my mine local Richer Sounds was able to demo both in the same room on the same screen and play the same disc in real time so they used a table tennis bat to cover each lens and all I needed to do was see which looked best, the 4K PJ in question was the Optoma UHD60 and it was up against the Sony.

All I'm suggesting here to you is go demo all the machines you are considering because with my demo the Sony blew the UHD60 out of the water, JVC guys harp on about black levels and maybe they are a bit obsessive on this subject but there was no getting away from the fact the Sony looked much better due to it's much superior black levels and it's the one I bought. OK the Epson is $1200 more expensive but what you are getting is even better blacks than that Sony I had but with that you gain HDR, 4K, memory powered lens and so much more.

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4K is a high priority for me, would you recommend the 3550 over the 5050?
The Epson 5050 is only 1/2 4k with a 2x 1080p shift where the 3550 can render full 4K with its 4x 1080p shift. I personally think 4K/HDR/WCG has a long way to go in projectors. TV's on the other hand are what its designed for so it definitely makes since. Resolution is only a small factor in PQ and projectors struggle severely with HDR and WCG. Trading contrast for resolution may make since in a less then ideal room so the 3550/5550 may be more suited if feeding it a true 4K source like UHD Blu Ray.

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The Epson 5050 is only 1/2 4k with a 2x 1080p shift where the 3550 can render full 4K with its 4x 1080p shift. I personally think 4K/HDR/WCG has a long way to go in projectors. TV's on the other hand are what its designed for so it definitely makes since. Resolution is only a small factor in PQ and projectors struggle severely with HDR and WCG. Trading contrast for resolution may make since in a less then ideal room so the 3550/5550 may be more suited if feeding it a true 4K source like UHD Blu Ray.
Resolution is always something to consider when purchasing a new projector but unless you intend to sit unusually close to the screen most people couldn't tell the difference between the Epson's 2xshift and the DLP's 4xShift. In my case I sit approx 9ft from my 100" screen, from there none of us noticed any real improvement when compared with a Sony 4K projector a mate brought along but when we shifted the seats to 6ft then the difference became apparent.

What's the lumens of the BenQ projectors, usually in less than ideal conditions the lamp output becomes a major factor and in this the Epson is a light cannon.

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Any reason for recommending those over the UHD60? Obviously they're newer so I would expect better features / addressing issues from previous generations but I can't find the HT5550 on Amazon as it's dealer / installer exclusive (I think?) and the 5050UB is quite a bit more price wise. Since neither of those would be a native 4K image and the black levels likely won't be great regardless due to my setup.

When I bought the UHD60, I wanted a 4k capable projector on a budget and got it refurb for a good price. It was a good starter projector. It was plenty bright, has a very sharp image and decent color (about 81% P3 coverage if I recall). It doesn't have much flexibility in regards to lens shift, so that was one thing I didn't like. Also, it doesn't have an iris, which really helps with getting a good image on darker scenes. Overall, I was happy with it, but the black levels are just very poor, and after awhile, I felt it was time to get either a Sony or JVC 4k projector to get much better black levels, slightly better color (my 695ES gets between 91 and 93% P3 coverage, depending on calibration) and more features such as remote controlled shift,focus, zoom and an auto iris.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback, I will likely pick up the HT3550 to begin with knowing that the UHD60 has less placement flexbility. I have a large corner sitting above the screen about a foot from the ceiling where the projector will hang (HVAC duct) running infront of the screen and I will need to work around that and it seems like the BenQ has much better flexbility working with the vertical shift and such. I can always return it if I'm not happy with what I'm seeing I'll try out the 5050UB, gaming will have to suffer for now.
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Thanks everyone for the feedback, I will likely pick up the HT3550 to begin with knowing that the UHD60 has less placement flexbility. I have a large corner sitting above the screen about a foot from the ceiling where the projector will hang (HVAC duct) running infront of the screen and I will need to work around that and it seems like the BenQ has much better flexbility working with the vertical shift and such. I can always return it if I'm not happy with what I'm seeing I'll try out the 5050UB, gaming will have to suffer for now.


So, I have the HT3550 and it’s a great projector but just to be clear: the HT3550 and UHd60 have about the same lens shift and I believe the Optoma has greater zoom range.

BenQ sells a more expensive model, the Ht5550, that offers greater lens shift (including horizontal) as well as more zoom range. It’s a closer competitor to a model like the Epson 4010 or Epson 5050.

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My room is painted white but I have a very large ambient light control outside of that (basement with windows covered) and I am planning to ceiling mount the project about 13 feet from the screen wall. I am trying to find a decent projector for my scenario. I think both of these are viable but I can't view either in person to see if I like one better than the other. I am also open to recommendations otherwise, primarily trying to stay below $2500 and want to purchase through Amazon. I plan to do a painted grey screen but am also open to other DIY screen options.

Basically, I am leaning towards the UHD60 for the occasional console / PC gaming as the input lag on HT3550 seems to be bad comparatively but will 90% use as a home theater. I've looked at the 5050UB as well but didn't see what that cost got me over the UHD60 ($1200 more).
The UHD50/51A/51ALV are potential options as well.

The UHD50 has lower lag than the other two models. All 3 have a very similar throw ratio and can throw a ~150in image at 13ft. I find the UHD50 to be bright enough for a ~145in display on my grey painted screen.

The Viewsonic PX-747 (see my comments in the deals found subforum) and TK800M might be worth a look as well, but they are longer throw projectors and might need to be mounted further back depending on your desired screen size.
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I would strongly chose to step up to the Epson 5050UB. It will really crush everything else. Some sharpness may mater but most of the time you likely really can't tell I sit about 20 feet from my 140 inch screen. The biggest thing is the blacks and the black or dark detail. Here is a 1080P calibrated image from the Epson(the source is the Back to the Future Blu-ray).
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Thanks everyone for the feedback, I will likely pick up the HT3550 to begin with knowing that the UHD60 has less placement flexbility. I have a large corner sitting above the screen about a foot from the ceiling where the projector will hang (HVAC duct) running infront of the screen and I will need to work around that and it seems like the BenQ has much better flexbility working with the vertical shift and such. I can always return it if I'm not happy with what I'm seeing I'll try out the 5050UB, gaming will have to suffer for now.
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I would strongly chose to step up to the Epson 5050UB. It will really crush everything else. Some sharpness may mater but most of the time you likely really can't tell I sit about 20 feet from my 140 inch screen. The biggest thing is the blacks and the black or dark detail. Here is a 1080P calibrated image from the Epson(the source is the Back to the Future Blu-ray).

Looks good. Here's the HT3550 in comparison (120" screen, about 8 feet away). Mine has a plethora of problems. Was actually thinking of going with the 5050UB, but I don't think I have the distance.
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Looks good. Here's the HT3550 in comparison (120" screen, about 8 feet away). Mine has a plethora of problems. Was actually thinking of going with the 5050UB, but I don't think I have the distance.
My screen is about 140" but I can't take the projector any closer.
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