Originally Posted by FendersRule
AV, do you really think the 5050UB vs the 8700UB is slight and not night and day overall? I can say "overall" it should be night and day (see list below). But for black levels? Brightness levels? Detail? Those are the big open questions on how it compares to the 8700 UB for me. My expectations are that each one should be "significant."
I should be able to inform you guys by tonight as it arrives anytime.
Here's on paper vs on paper.
1) The 5050UB absolutely destroys the 8700UB in latency. 28ms vs 85m-ish. You could actually competitively game on a 5050UB.
2) The 5050UB has a contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1 vs the 8700UB's 200,000:1. The 5050UB should have inkier blacks.
3) The 5050UB has 2600 lumens, while the 8700UB has 1600 lumens. The 5050UB should be much brighter.
4) The 5050UB has 3D, the 8700UB does not.
5) The 5050UB has psuedo-4k, the 8700UB does not. This "should" give the 5050UB a slight edge in sharpness (my expectation, and it seems to align).
6) The 5050UB has HDR, which is arguably more important than 4k. The 8700 does not.
7) The 5050UB seems to have quite a plethora of settings. Hell, you can adjust your convergence! The 8700UB is more of a lotto-system with convergence (get what you get).
8) The 5050UB has motion interpolation. The 8700UB does not. I hate this, so I don't care about it.
9) The 5050UB has lens memory for different aspect ratios. I don't care about this.
Look above and count which ones are meaningful to you. For me, the first 7 were.
I think the list your provided is meaningful, but does not necessarily constitute 'night and day'. Not that I dismiss the list either. If I were to buy new, the 5050 is certainly up there on the list of models I would recommend. But, whether or not it really delivers all the time.
Point by point...
1) If latency matters, then this matters. If you never game on a 8700, then it may be the last thing someone would care about.
2) The 5050 doesn't have 1,000,000:1 just like the 8700 doesn't have 200,000:1. Manufacturer BS rarely changes. Blacks/brights are definitely better on the 5050, if your screen size needs it and if the room supports it. But, the 5x contrast boost may mostly be a drop in black from 1 lux to .2 lux. Contrast is now 5 times better. But, the room has to support that .2 lux black level to even matter. Mostly, brightness is the big improvement.
3) I like brighter models and this is perhaps the biggest jump we have seen, across the board, for all projectors in general. But, on a 100" or 120" screen in a dark theater, this is a lot of money to spend for that brightness.
4) 3D is like gaming. For those that want it, then it's an upgrade and worthwhile. For those that don't care, it's irrelevant.
5) Pixel shifting UHD is certainly something I recommend. It's an improvement for sure. As long as you aren't just streaming all your content and coming from a quality source.
6) 10-bit and 12-bit color that UHD is supposed to deliver is certainly the hallmark of UHD and the most important factor of the UHD upgrade. As long as you play content on a regular basis which takes advantage of this. Sporting events don't. Most streaming does not. So, it's a limited feature set. Once again, it's a lot to spend at this time, on a limited feature set, and will depend on seriousness of making a radical change to viewing habits.
7) If the 8700UB that someone owns has good convergence, then this may not matter. Glad that Epson has corrected for this over the years.
8) CFI is something some love and some hate. Just like an auto iris.
9) Just like many other features, lens memory - use it or it is a mostly useless feature.
I'm not at all complaining about the 5050. It's a very solid projector and for the money is the model that many will go for. But, for those upgrading from a quality 1080p projector they may not find that the 5050 is as much of an upgrade as they were hoping for. If they just watch HDTV and some movies from Blu-ray, and they own no HDR content (yet), then the user experience not be that giant leap forward that they were hoping for.
I went from a BenQ W1070 to my JVC X590. The jump in black level performance was tremendous. But, there was also a great deal which was similar. Single chip, cheap DLP vs. LCoS 3-chip. It's pretty crazy how good all these things look already.