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Hi Everyone,

First post here, but I have read a lot of threads here and found some very helpful information already. I don’t anticipate this will be a long thread as this topic looks to have been covered extensively already, but I just had a few questions I wanted to ask.

In terms of a backyard setup, the Epson Powerlite HC1060 seems to be the most commonly recommended, and that is a serious contender for me. I have late afternoon sun so high lumens is important as I have to contend with the sunset, and I also want something I can plug headphones or a decent external speaker into. Bearing that in mind, if I was willing to pay a little extra are either of the below projectors an upgrade? It seems to only be around 100 CAD In the price difference for context.

Epson Powerlite HC2100
BenQ TH671ST

In regards to DLP- I have read about the rainbow effect but have never seen it, however I haven’t really dealt with home projectors much, so who knows.

Also for context, here is a picture of my setup.

Thanks in advance!
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I would stick with the HC1060 unless you're able to step up to something from the 3000 line (probably a 3000 or 3100). They match/exceed it on lumens and offer better blacks and more placement/setup flexibility... but they're also larger/heavier if that's a concern. I'm not sure about in Canada, but in the US it's about a $300 step up from the 1060 to the 3100 (based on Epson outlet prices), so if it's only for occasional use, the 1060 is probably still the better value unless you're just not able to place the projector on the screen centerline.

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I would stick with the HC1060 unless you're able to step up to something from the 3000 line (probably a 3000 or 3100). They match/exceed it on lumens and offer better blacks and more placement/setup flexibility... but they're also larger/heavier if that's a concern. I'm not sure about in Canada, but in the US it's about a $300 step up from the 1060 to the 3100 (based on Epson outlet prices), so if it's only for occasional use, the 1060 is probably still the better value unless you're just not able to place the projector on the screen centerline.
It’s about $300 dollar difference in Canada as well, which is something I would consider. The blacks make a difference, the setup flexibility does help, and the size isn’t a big deal as long as it’s not more drastically larger.

I’m looking at the Epson refurbished website. Is that anything I should be worried about, or no?
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Apologies for the double post, I couldn’t find an edit button.

Is it fair to say you would also recommend a 3500 (or 3700) based on the attached?
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I'd recommend anything from the 3000 series, but I wouldn't pay more for the higher up models unless there's a very specific feature you're looking for... the 3100 probably has better blacks and is slightly sharper than the 3500 too (the 3000 and 3500 are the older equivalents to the 3100 and 3700). The main thing missing from the 3000/3100 is an internal speaker... so if you plan on using external speakers anyway, not a major loss.

As for size, they're probably 2-2.5x larger than the 1060, most notably in height/thickness. That said, they offer a huge amount of zoom and lens shift, so you should be able to dial it in with minimal or no keystone correction.

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Ahh, that explains it as the 3500 is cheaper than the 3100 by about 80 bucks. If I decided to get a more expensive one I will stay with the 3100.

The smaller projector is better but it’s not a huge deal. For the correction aspect, where is the ideal placement (i.e. no correction needed). I have that table so building a stand would be straightforward enough.
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What's the size of the screen? Using the 3100's lens shift would have zero impact on image quality, only the digital keystone correction would and even that isn't as bad as many here make it out to be. Still, chances are, you wouldn't need any keystone correction using the 3100 because it has so much available lens shift in both directions.

I used my 3000 as an outdoor projector a few times after it was replaced in my theater (which I still consider a mistake on my part) and it's the best outdoor projector I've used. I ended up selling it on to my brother for a basement theater he's in the process of building and now have an Anker Nebula Prism II which isn't as sharp, has poorer blacks, and is nowhere near as bright... but it was cheap and does the trick for kids movies in the back yard once it's dark.

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Hi Everyone,

First post here, but I have read a lot of threads here and found some very helpful information already. I don’t anticipate this will be a long thread as this topic looks to have been covered extensively already, but I just had a few questions I wanted to ask.

In terms of a backyard setup, the Epson Powerlite HC1060 seems to be the most commonly recommended, and that is a serious contender for me. I have late afternoon sun so high lumens is important as I have to contend with the sunset, and I also want something I can plug headphones or a decent external speaker into. Bearing that in mind, if I was willing to pay a little extra are either of the below projectors an upgrade? It seems to only be around 100 CAD In the price difference for context.

Epson Powerlite HC2100
BenQ TH671ST

In regards to DLP- I have read about the rainbow effect but have never seen it, however I haven’t really dealt with home projectors much, so who knows.

Also for context, here is a picture of my setup.

Thanks in advance!
Keep in mind the HC 1060 does not have an audio out jack on the unit. If you're expecting to use audio from the video/HDMI input you will need an HDMI audio extractor.

The Epson HC 3XXX series actually produce fewer/spec'ed lumens than the HC 1060. The HC 3XXX will give you better black levels and have lens shift capability that the HC 1060 does not have. More or less the same for the HC 2100.

The TH671ST in cinema mode, best color, is less than 1000 lumens.

The HC 1060 is hard to beat on price and quality. I guess if it had the black levels/contrast of the HC3XXX units, they probably wouldn't sell many HC3XXX as lens shift would be the only major improvement.

Here's an HC 1060 on a 1.1 gain - 144" screen, mid July in Southeast Michigan. Official sunset time is ~9:00PM and the time of the picture is around ~9:40PM. Sun an projection just don't mix so don't expect too much until it's dark.

I use this table to plan starting times:

https://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php





EDIT: BTW, no keystone adjustment is used in the setup pictured. The adjustable stand/table allows for perfect setup geometry. It's a VisualApex projector stand and comes with a carry bag that will also transport a projector.

https://www.amazon.com/Visual-Apex-P...71098674&psc=1
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I'd recommend anything from the 3000 series, but I wouldn't pay more for the higher up models unless there's a very specific feature you're looking for... the 3100 probably has better blacks and is slightly sharper than the 3500 too (the 3000 and 3500 are the older equivalents to the 3100 and 3700). The main thing missing from the 3000/3100 is an internal speaker... so if you plan on using external speakers anyway, not a major loss.

As for size, they're probably 2-2.5x larger than the 1060, most notably in height/thickness. That said, they offer a huge amount of zoom and lens shift, so you should be able to dial it in with minimal or no keystone correction.

The HC 3100 is spec'ed at 60,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. the HC 3500 is spec'ed at 70,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. More or less equal.

The HC 3100 is spec'ed at 2600 lumens. The HC 3500 is spec'ed at 2500 lumens.
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I'm pretty sure the 3100 tested with better DCR than the 3000 when it was released, and I'd expect that to be similar compared to the 3500... on calibrated black level alone, I don't think it'd really be a notable difference between the 3100 and 3500. The 3100/3700 are also supposed to be a bit sharper than the 3000/3500, but I never had any complaints about sharpness with my 3000. I think they all use the same lamp, so I'm not sure where the rated lumen difference is coming from and it's probably completely negligible once calibrated.

For the OP, if the 3500 is $80 less, maybe that saves enough budget to add a soundbar, speakers, streaming device, etc and that's the way to go. Honestly, I don't think you can really go wrong with anything in the 3x00 line. The last time Epson Outlet had the 3000 in stock they were only $50 less than the 3100, so for that small of a difference, I'd probably step up to the 3100. A 3500 for $80 less than a 3100 seems like a negligible quality difference with a bigger price difference, so the cheap side of me would probably lean towards the 3500.

If the budget jump to the 3x00 line is just too big or making it would sacrifice other parts of the build (speakers, streaming device, beer), the HC1060 is still a very solid choice with plenty (evidently more) available lumens at the sacrifice of black level. I think the OP is probably on a good track whichever direction he goes.

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Thanks for that, those details are quite helpful. I will keep researching, but waiting for a sale of a new 1060 seems best, as the new price was only 50 bucks more than a refurbished one.

Or I could double my investment and get the 5030...
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It's HUGE compared to the 1060, and even compared to the 3100/3500 it's a pretty big step up in size and weight. Also seems like a much larger investment than is warranted for an outdoor projector and probably less well suited for outdoor use than the 3100/3500 and maybe even than the 1060.

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Thanks for that, those details are quite helpful. I will keep researching, but waiting for a sale of a new 1060 seems best, as the new price was only 50 bucks more than a refurbished one.

Or I could double my investment and get the 5030...
I got a 1060 and have no regrets so far. Sends a bright picture and can start my movie night before it is totally dark. I used Camel Camel and set my wanted price. Waited about a week and found one for a really good deal.


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Thanks all, this is valuable advice. I think I am leaning to the 1060 now given everyone's feedback, but I was hoping to occasionally plug headphones into the projector, as well as plug in an external speaker the rest of the time. Any recommendations on how best to handle the audio if if doesn't have a regular audio out?

I also plan on watching most things through an Amazon fire stick if that helps.
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Thanks all, this is valuable advice. I think I am leaning to the 1060 now given everyone's feedback, but I was hoping to occasionally plug headphones into the projector, as well as plug in an external speaker the rest of the time. Any recommendations on how best to handle the audio if if doesn't have a regular audio out?

I also plan on watching most things through an Amazon fire stick if that helps.

I went with the full monty for outside. 5.2 setup. Bought a cheap avr off of accessories4less, built some speakers from DIY Sound Group. This set up really rocks for outside.


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Thanks all, this is valuable advice. I think I am leaning to the 1060 now given everyone's feedback, but I was hoping to occasionally plug headphones into the projector, as well as plug in an external speaker the rest of the time. Any recommendations on how best to handle the audio if if doesn't have a regular audio out?

I also plan on watching most things through an Amazon fire stick if that helps.
Buy an HDMI audio extractor.

https://www.amazon.com/J-Tech-Digita.../dp/B00BIQER0E

Plug the Fire Stick into the extractor and the HDMI out of the extractor into the projector HDIM input.

Use the optical SPDIF or the analog RCA audio outputs to your headphones or an external speaker.
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I went with the full monty for outside. 5.2 setup. Bought a cheap avr off of accessories4less, built some speakers from DIY Sound Group. This set up really rocks for outside.
Looking good!

How are the Pico's working out up front? Looks like you have the transport problem under control too!
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Looking good!

How are the Pico's working out up front? Looks like you have the transport problem under control too!
Pico's are rocking alongside the ported volt10's. Get plenty of bass but only down to about 20.


It takes about 15 minutes to set up and take down. Longest part is getting my projector cart in the same spot every time.


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Thanks B_Curry. So this box essentially just adds additional audio out ports for anything you are using on that specific HDMI port? That plus the 1060 sounds like the winning solution.
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First post here, but I have read a lot of threads here and found some very helpful information already. I don’t anticipate this will be a long thread as this topic looks to have been covered extensively already, but I just had a few questions I wanted to ask.

In terms of a backyard setup, the Epson Powerlite HC1060 seems to be the most commonly recommended, and that is a serious contender for me. I have late afternoon sun so high lumens is important as I have to contend with the sunset, and I also want something I can plug headphones or a decent external speaker into. Bearing that in mind, if I was willing to pay a little extra are either of the below projectors an upgrade? It seems to only be around 100 CAD In the price difference for context.

Epson Powerlite HC2100
BenQ TH671ST

In regards to DLP- I have read about the rainbow effect but have never seen it, however I haven’t really dealt with home projectors much, so who knows.

Also for context, here is a picture of my setup.

Thanks in advance!
I suggest trying out a refurbed Viewsonic PX-747; it would work great outside and you will get a 4K HDR image.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...747-750-a.html

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Thanks B_Curry. So this box essentially just adds additional audio out ports for anything you are using on that specific HDMI port? That plus the 1060 sounds like the winning solution.
That's correct.

The HDMI input is a pass through and it breaks out the audio from the HDMI input. You have an option of 2 channel stereo or 5.1 audio.

I do a 5.2 setup outside using an AVR.

Using the HDMI audio extractor, many people address a setup as you're requesting or they feed a 2 channel PA speaker/amplifier type setup where the amplifier input or pre-amp/mixer do not support an HDMI connection.

For an outdoor movie experience, the HC 1060 is hard to beat. The color is very good out of the box and replacement lamps are $50-$60 direct from Epson. It's small, easy to transport and setup. You can find them for or at just under $500 new as they go on sale quite often. I've used mine on a 165" screen with very good results and pushed it to a 200" screen. We down sized to a 144" screen for convenience with regard to setup/tear-down time. It's easy to place on a table and project on to a wall for a Super Bowl party, etc. Black levels/contrast are not in the JVC area but it's a $500 projector. The projector we use in our indoor theater cost well over 30X more. While it's a far superior unit, we enjoy the HC 1060 outdoors just as much.

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That's great to hear. I will have a think about audio, by with nearby neighbours I will need to be a bit reserved.
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That's great to hear. I will have a think about audio, by with nearby neighbours I will need to be a bit reserved.
Starting off an audio extractor is perfect for what you want. Make sure you get 3 in and 1 out...and not the other way around. I had my Blu-ray and appleTV hooked up and then audio went to a mini receiver . A year later I bought a used Pioneer 823k and then the fun started...center channel and subwoofer came next....my wife thinks I’m crazy but she’s used to me buy now.
With regards to the neighbors...sitting closer to the speakers means you don’t have to turn the volume up as loud...also, invite them to the first couple of movies, have a few beers and it’s amazing how forgiving the will be.
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Just to push you a little more on the 1060, here are some pics I took last night from my movie night. First one was taken at 8:37pm and you can see it is pretty light out yet.. The second pic. was taken at 9:15pm and in the dark.
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