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Think I'm going with Epson HC 2150

Upgrading my 15 yr old Simm300HT 720P projector. I think I've decided to go with the Epson 2150 1080P. Reason for that decision is due to I'm basically just going to use it as a TV, Sports, ROKU and occasionally movies. I have over the air channels. I recently purchased a Mediasonic Homework ATSC Converter Box. My thinking, I can I just plug the converter box directly into new projector using the HDMI cable or run the HDMI out of the converter box through my A/V receiver.

At this point, anything would be better than my old Simm 300HT 720P with only 900 lumens. The above Epson 2150 1080P will get me through until the 4K or laser projectors are more perfected and/or come down in price. Plus, I need a longer throw. My screen is 110" and the distance between the screen and the projector is little under 17ft.

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Upgrading my 15 yr old Simm300HT 720P projector. I think I've decided to go with the Epson 2150 1080P. Reason for that decision is due to I'm basically just going to use it as a TV, Sports, ROKU and occasionally movies. I have over the air channels. I recently purchased a Mediasonic Homework ATSC Converter Box. My thinking, I can I just plug the converter box directly into new projector using the HDMI cable or run the HDMI out of the converter box through my A/V receiver.

At this point, anything would be better than my old Simm 300HT 720P with only 900 lumens. The above Epson 2150 1080P will get me through until the 4K or laser projectors are more perfected and/or come down in price. Plus, I need a longer throw. My screen is 110" and the distance between the screen and the projector is little under 17ft.
The 2150 will work for your throw but it has very limited vertical shift so it needs to be a few inches from the top of the screen. A refurbished 3100 might be a better choice is it has ample lens shift, brighter, better black level and will cost about the same as a new 2150.

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The 2150 will work for your throw but it has very limited vertical shift so it needs to be a few inches from the top of the screen. A refurbished 3100 might be a better choice is it has ample lens shift, brighter, better black level and will cost about the same as a new 2150.
I will have to look at that projector. My old projector is dead center of my screen or were you referring to something else???? See the attached picture, I took the picture off-center.

The Epson 3100 has no speaker which scares me a little. It does have an Audio out which I'll probably run the audio through A/V receiver or just a soundbar. Epson states 3100 has the same Contrast 60,000, not wireless, no Miracast, 500 hrs less lamp life, replacement lamp is $99 vs the 2150 at $59.
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The reason the 3000 series Epsons are more expensive than the 2000 series is because they are more premium models that produce a superior image though it may not entirely be revealed in the general specs. Lack of internal speaker is usually no issue for a home theater setup as almost everyone uses a separate sound system since projector speakers are so weak.

When you say your old SIM2 projector is dead center on the screen do you mean both vertically and horizontally? Most projectors without substantial lens shift are designed to be mounted low and upright with the lens near even with the bottom of the screen's image area or high and inverted near even with the top. Only projectors with substantial lens shift are designed to be mounted near even with the vertical center of the screen. The Epson 2000 series lacks substantial lens shift and is therefore not designed to be mounted near even with the vertical center of the screen whereas the 3000 series can be due to its substantial available lens shift.
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The reason the 3000 series Epsons are more expensive than the 2000 series is because they are more premium models that produce a superior image though it may not entirely be revealed in the general specs. Lack of internal speaker is usually no issue for a home theater setup as almost everyone uses a separate sound system since projector speakers are so weak.

When you say your old SIM2 projector is dead center on the screen do you mean both vertically and horizontally? Most projectors without substantial lens shift are designed to be mounted low and upright with the lens near even with the bottom of the screen's image area or high and inverted near even with the top. Only projectors with substantial lens shift are designed to be mounted near even with the vertical center of the screen. The Epson 2000 series lacks substantial lens shift and is therefore not designed to be mounted near even with the vertical center of the screen whereas the 3000 series can be due to its substantial available lens shift.
I got to comparing the 2150 vs 3100 and 3500. Seems like the 3500 is a better projector than both the 2150 and the 3100. 2150 $699, 3100 $799 and the 3500 refurbished by Epson $849. Not sure if it's worth taking a chance on a refurbished one, but it is from Epson. Thoughts on the 3500 compared to 2150 and 3100? Thank you all for answering my questions. It's been 15 years since I've had to upgrade. Least I have it down to three unless someone else throws in something I should be concerned with as well.

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The 3500 is an older model that went out of product two years ago and is in no way better than the improved 3100/3700 that replaced it. The 3700 is basically the same as the 3100 except it's a little brighter and adds speakers that almost no one uses. Since the 3100 is already brighter than the 3500 there's no reason to pay more for the 3700 unless you need a real bright room light cannon. The 3100 is three times as bright as your old SIM2.
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I will have to look at that projector. My old projector is dead center of my screen or were you referring to something else???? See the attached picture, I took the picture off-center.

The Epson 3100 has no speaker which scares me a little. It does have an Audio out which I'll probably run the audio through A/V receiver or just a soundbar. Epson states 3100 has the same Contrast 60,000, not wireless, no Miracast, 500 hrs less lamp life, replacement lamp is $99 vs the 2150 at $59.
The 2150 will not work shelf mounted like your Sim. As I and Dave said it must be mounted even or close to the bottom of the screen or inverted close to the top of the screen. The 3100/3700 had many improvements over the 3000/3500 series so definitely go with the 3100/3700 as it can be mounted on the shelf just like your Sim. We always recommend an AVR over a sound bar or using the internal speakers as audio is almost half the video experience. Older AVR's that don't support 4K are dirt cheap "just make sure it does have HDMI" in the used market and you can start out with as many speakers as you want and upgrade latter.

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I will have to look at that projector. My old projector is dead center of my screen or were you referring to something else???? See the attached picture, I took the picture off-center.

The Epson 3100 has no speaker which scares me a little. It does have an Audio out which I'll probably run the audio through A/V receiver or just a soundbar. Epson states 3100 has the same Contrast 60,000, not wireless, no Miracast, 500 hrs less lamp life, replacement lamp is $99 vs the 2150 at $59.
To use an HC2150, or some other designs, you would probably have to raise the shelf on the wall and mount the projector inverted under the shelf with a ceiling mount. Alternately you could use a dedicated wall mount.
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The 2150 will not work shelf mounted like your Sim. As I and Dave said it must be mounted even or close to the bottom of the screen or inverted close to the top of the screen. The 3100/3700 had many improvements over the 3000/3500 series so definitely go with the 3100/3700 as it can be mounted on the shelf just like your Sim. We always recommend an AVR over a sound bar or using the internal speakers as audio is almost half the video experience. Older AVR's that don't support 4K are dirt cheap "just make sure it does have HDMI" in the used market and you can start out with as many speakers as you want and upgrade latter.
Thank you for the information. Still don't understand it, it's been 15 years since purchasing and setting up my projector. All I know, I centered and mounted the shelve. Pointed the projector towards the center of the screen and it worked from there. So, you are saying the reason why the 3100 will work with the way I have it mounted now is due to the 3100's vertical and horizontal lens shift? And as I understand, you're saying the 3100 is much better projector than the 2150 and superior to 2150? As you can see in the picture, my 110" screen starts at the top of my ceiling. The screen is centered as well. Thank all of you for all the help. Its nice t have a forum like this, it makes you feel better when you do end up purchasing your projector.
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The 2150 is Epson's entry level Home theater class projector the 3000 series is the next level up not a signifent improvement but much more refined. The 3100 has no fixed off set so with out using the lens shift it needs to be exactly in the center of the screen both horizontally and vertically. But it has a +/- 60% vertical lens shift so it can be placed anywhere from 10% of screen height above or below the screen or anywhere in between upside down or right side up. The 2150 has a fixed off set so it must be inverted if near the top of the screen or right side up close to the bottom of the screen and can't be anywhere in between without using the image robing digital keystone by tilting the projector from level.

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Thank you for the information. Still don't understand it, it's been 15 years since purchasing and setting up my projector. All I know, I centered and mounted the shelve. Pointed the projector towards the center of the screen and it worked from there. So, you are saying the reason why the 3100 will work with the way I have it mounted now is due to the 3100's vertical and horizontal lens shift? And as I understand, you're saying the 3100 is much better projector than the 2150 and superior to 2150? As you can see in the picture, my 110" screen starts at the top of my ceiling. The screen is centered as well. Thank all of you for all the help. Its nice t have a forum like this, it makes you feel better when you do end up purchasing your projector.
You might be able to get the HC2150 to work depending on the exact dimensions of the room and and shelf. The HC2150 need to be shelf mounted so that the lens is (~10% x screen height) below the bottom of the screen. I suspect the difference in IQ between the HC2150 and HC3100 would be minimal, but the HC3100 would probably be quieter and could probably be positioned exactly where your existing PJ is.
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You might be able to get the HC2150 to work depending on the exact dimensions of the room and and shelf. The HC2150 need to be shelf mounted so that the lens is (~10% x screen height) below the bottom of the screen. I suspect the difference in IQ between the HC2150 and HC3100 would be minimal, but the HC3100 would probably be quieter and could probably be positioned exactly where your existing PJ is.
OK Everyone, one more question than I will purchase and upgrade my Sim2 300HT 720p.

If the Epson 2150 is better than the Epson 3100, I will remount on the ceiling and turn it upside down. Seems like the 2150 is not only smaller, but has more features. If the 3100 is a better overall projector (even though a year older) I'll go with that one and keep the center mounting.

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OK Everyone, one more question than I will purchase and upgrade my Sim2 300HT 720p.

If the Epson 2150 is better than the Epson 3100, I will remount on the ceiling and turn it upside down. Seems like the 2150 is not only smaller, but has more features. If the 3100 is a better overall projector (even though a year older) I'll go with that one and keep the center mounting.

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I see that you posted the exact same wording here as you did in the PM to me. I'll just copy over to here my PM response to you so that others can feel free to add their thoughts:

In the Epson projector lineup the 3000 series (including the 3100) is more premium with higher quality components than the 2000 series (including the 2150). The 3100 for example has superior image processing circuitry. The larger size of the 3000 series allows more space for internal baffling to make it run a little quieter than the smaller 2000 series. The 3000 series is considered more of a permanent mount model while the 2000 series is considered more of a portable model. If the 2150 has features that are important to you that the 3100 doesn't have then that could tip the balance, so you need to carefully compare all the features and decide what's important to you. But side-by-side the 3100 is going to be capable of producing a superior image. That's why Epson puts an msrp of $899 on the 2150 and $1,199 on the 3100.
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I see that you posted the exact same wording here as you did in the PM to me. I'll just copy over to here my PM response to you so that others can feel free to add their thoughts:

In the Epson projector lineup the 3000 series (including the 3100) is more premium with higher quality components than the 2000 series (including the 2150). The 3100 for example has superior image processing circuitry. The larger size of the 3000 series allows more space for internal baffling to make it run a little quieter than the smaller 2000 series. The 3000 series is considered more of a permanent mount model while the 2000 series is considered more of a portable model. If the 2150 has features that are important to you that the 3100 doesn't have then that could tip the balance, so you need to carefully compare all the features and decide what's important to you. But side-by-side the 3100 is going to be capable of producing a superior image. That's why Epson puts an msrp of $899 on the 2150 and $1,199 on the 3100.
Yes, after I posted I thought I would get a quicker response if I PM you. I think I am going to order on Monday. It's on B&H's website for $799 now. Not sure why I am waiting, sometimes it's hard for me to pull the trigger. I always think as soon as I order, a better option will pop up. Thank you and all again for your recommendations and input.
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... I think I am going to order on Monday. ...
Be careful about waiting until Monday to order because on Epson's website they say the following about their current official temporary sale prices ending:

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Technically, forum rules say we are only supposed to post msrp pricing and not individual vendor sale prices in this forum. All vendor sale pricing and sourcing discussion should be posted in the Front Projectors Great Found Deals! sub-forum. So I'll just say in general when projector manufacturers have sales some vendors go a little lower on sale pricing than the manufacturer suggests. However, vendor sales normally end at the same time the official manufacturer sale ends.
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Technically, forum rules say we are only supposed to post msrp pricing and not individual vendor sale prices in this forum. All vendor sale pricing and sourcing discussion should be posted in the Front Projectors Great Found Deals! sub-forum. So I'll just say in general when projector manufacturers have sales some vendors go a little lower on sale pricing than the manufacturer suggests. However, vendor sales normally end at the same time the official manufacturer sale ends.
Whoops, I deleted my reply. I did, however, purchased the Epson 3100 this morning. Hope it works with my mounting and excited to receive it Wednesday 08/07. Thank you for your help, greatly appreciated.
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Glad to help. With the 3100's extensive horizontal and vertical lens shift there should be no issue with your current mounting location. Looking forward to hearing what you think of it.
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