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Old 09-08-2019, 09:39 AM - Thread Starter
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Most OLED-like projector with best HDR local contrast performance <$3k?

4K would be nice, but given that true 4K is pretty much impossible in this price range, I don’t have a strong preference between 1080p vs fake 4K. Particularly, if it came down to two projectors (1080p vs fake 4K), I would prefer the one with better HDR performance (and by “HDR performance” I do NOT mean peak full frame brightness, I mean performance on high contrast textures within a frame, where OLED excels; see below).

Ever since my 55” LG OLED I’ve had for a few years, I’ve realized that after 1080p, to me at least most image quality improvements come elsewhere than resolution. Though of course it looks great at 4K, it’s the HDR content and amazing OLED contrast and sharpness that really makes the biggest jaw dropping difference.

P.S. I wanted to clarify what I mean by “HDR performance”. People are not on the same page as me when they say Samsung does HDR better than LG due to greater peak brightness, because to my definition of HDR, peak brightness isn’t what it’s all about, and in actual *image quality* LG OLEDs absolutely destroy Samsung due to the ability to display HDR textures and contrasts on a fine scale where the Samsung has to blur over (due to the fact that each pixel doesn’t have its own backlight).

So to be clear: I do not care that much about peak brightness (though I understand projectors are more starved there than TVs), as much as I care about the ability to represent tiny high contrast features across the HDR spectrum.

For example, on my Samsung TV watching the pilot of Lost in Space on Netflix, there are some bright flashes the Samsung does better (brighter, without dimming the screen to compensate as OLEDs do) but I really do not care about the dimming of full frame images. What I do care about is when HDR detail within an image is blurred over as every single FALD LCD TV does. In contrast, the incredible detail the LG OLED provides on crisp HDR textures is just amazing; for example, a space suit light shining down illuminating dust on the suit extremely brightly against a dark suit background color — we’re talking about features a few pixels wide, going from dark surroundings to extremely bright, and the LG OLED does this brilliantly.

That’s what I hope to find in a projector. Is this possible?

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What your looking for is good contrast. The JVC's excel at this and can be found in the $3k range but MSRP's are definitly higher. The Epson 5050 is the only projector that comes close with a MSRP under $3K. Note that FP also requires excellent ambient light control and this includes no white reflective surfaces like a white ceiling.

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Thanks for the info. What is the price of a good JVC option here, even if above $3k? How close is the Epson to it?

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Thanks for the info. What is the price of a good JVC option here, even if above $3k? How close is the Epson to it?
You might consider a used jvc rs540 or x790 (same projector) which can be found used well inside your budget. There is a 540 in the classifieds.

I have the x990 (rs640) and I am still very happy with the performance.

Good luck with your search.
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The JVC RS540 MSRP was $3999 but I have heard these are also no longer in production so can be hard to find. Authorized dealers are not allowed to advertise anything below MSRP so you need to call to get a real quote. Be very cautious of used JVC's as they do have a tendency to be way over priced. RS46 is the oldest I would consider and should be well under $1k. Just as a comparison of real would specs the JVC's have a native contrast of at least 40,000 to 1 compared to the Epson of about 8,000 to 1. The 4K DLP's are about 800 to 1. Manufactures except JVC don't even post their native contrast and only show dynamic contrast and most exaggerate that spec as well. Cons of JVC's are very expensive replacement lamps and dim rather quickly but once they settle down they last an average length of time so if you need maximum brightness you will be replacing often. Some people actually prefer the Epson in side by side comparisons as it can produce a little more vivid picture in some environments.

EDIT: To learn more about JVC's you need to look at the >$3K forum as MSRP's of all the DLA JVC's is above that.

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Anything is possible given enough time, money and knowledge. If you don't put the projector in a properly treated room you are wasting you money and will complain the picture sucks.. There is a boat load more to projection compared to buying a TV.. Room color, reflective surfaces, screen fabric, screen size, light output and the list goes on. Just setting the stage, it's called a hobby for a reason, be prepared for a lot more work and compromise than buy the TV and hang it on the wall.

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Something else to consider is DLP has an even better black to white pixel response than oled, being instantaneous versus oleds 1-2.5ms. But as said native contrast of the current 4k dlp imagers is poor. jvcs lcos panels have a response of about 2.5ms, a touch slower than oled but faster than qled. Some of the dlp projectors are hitting 80% rec2020 close to 30fl, the theo-z65 and ht9060. While they dont have the incredible native contrast of the jvc panels, the dlp projectors with their superior pixel response and wide color gamut should throw a very immersive and competitive hdr image. Theyll just be lacking in absolute black and low apl contrast. Bright scene contrast will look incredible though.

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