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So what does this mean exactly? I can definitely say that 4k HDR content looks significantly better than 4k SDR content on the 3800 - much more 3 dimensional and more like looking through a window. If you are saying that it accepts HRD but doesn't display it, why am I noticing such a difference?

In the ProjectorCentral review they were able to achieve 112% of rec 709 which is 75% dci-p3, but said out of the box it was only 105% 709 - so that is just a little higher than 709 - is that 5-12% the difference I'm noticing? I thought HRD also increased the range and levels of blacks to whites as well as color, so that there is more variation and depth both regarding color and regardless of color.
Yes, I should not have said at all. Without calibration they are just over REC.709. With calibration they can reach a little higher.
@DaGamePimp is correct.

I'm curios what was used for 4K SDR. It's possible, I'm just curious.

HDR has several components, some of which are: 4K resolution, WCG, and a new grading system capable of higher brightness (and highlights).

WCG means more colors.

The higher brightness feature is separate from the WCG.

This feature is for TV's which can hit the 1000/4000 nits "quote" "HDR". Since projectors can't hit that nits value, an algorithm converts the brightness values to what the projector can do.
The brightness PJ's are capable are more similar to SDR level of brightness (100 nits).

@DaGamePimp commented that there is a difference between sending a SDR signal and a HDR signal to a projector. The HDR signal apparently looks better.
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anybody have an opinion, on how these handle action sports ?
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Yes, I should not have said at all. Without calibration they are just over REC.709. With calibration they can reach a little higher.
@DaGamePimp is correct.

I'm curios what was used for 4K SDR. It's possible, I'm just curious.

HDR has several components, some of which are: 4K resolution, WCG, and a new grading system capable of higher brightness (and highlights).

WCG means more colors.

The higher brightness feature is separate from the WCG.

This feature is for TV's which can hit the 1000/4000 nits "quote" "HDR". Since projectors can't hit that nits value, an algorithm converts the brightness values to what the projector can do.
The brightness PJ's are capable are more similar to SDR level of brightness (100 nits).

@DaGamePimp commented that there is a difference between sending a SDR signal and a HDR signal to a projector. The HDR signal apparently looks better.
There can be a positive difference if the projector offers good tone mapping.

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Well I ordered it. Should be here Wednesday. It will be replacing a Marantz vp4001. Should be a nice upgrade.
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Anyone try playing with the 3d depth setting to get rid of crosstalk? There was someone who talked about crosstalk nearly disappearing on a particular epson when using +2 on the depth setting.

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I just picked up the Epson 3800 from Best buy since they had a small discount. What projector mount should I buy?

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If you want something local (also from Best Buy) the Epson universal ($105) should work and I can verify that the Sanus universal ($160) works.

- If you have a sloped ceiling then the Epson will not work (unless the slope is very minor).

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Anyone try playing with the 3d depth setting to get rid of crosstalk? There was someone who talked about crosstalk nearly disappearing on a particular epson when using +2 on the depth setting.
I don't recall what setting I ended up on but I adjusted it and just about all the crosstalk was gone (using Xpand RF/BT glasses).

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If you want something local (also from Best Buy) the Epson universal ($105) should work and I can verify that the Sanus universal ($160) works.



- If you have a sloped ceiling then the Epson will not work (unless the slope is very minor).



If you don't mind ordering one then get the Peerless PRG-UNV.









I don't recall what setting I ended up on but I adjusted it and just about all the crosstalk was gone (using Xpand RF/BT glasses).



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So I received the 5050ub from amazon today - I have been going back and forth between it and the 3800 and the first thing I'm noticing in my environment is that they are much closer in picture quality than I expected. I clearly need to do more testing and setup but here are my thoughts so far in case anyone find it useful.

The 3800 gets really good blacks, now that I have the 5050 as a standard to compare it to - it is not far off from the 5050, in fact in my environment I'd say the difference is minimal, and I'm impressed. In neither one do I get blacks as black as the velvet around my screen even in the darkest of scenes. And when there are bright scenes I do get some light bounce back of course. Again as I said before I do have some white walls a dark stone wall and dark red curtains, so it's not the best environment.

For 4k HDR video:

The P3 color filter is nice on the 5050 - I followed projectorreviews.com setup and used digital cinema with the lamp on high (because the filter cuts the projector's brightness in half) and was able to get a nice picture that was very deep in dimensionality - I also did a neutral mode setup that doesn't use the p3 filter, so it's more 709 - the mode is brighter for more "pop" - and found that I probably would use that mode more because it felt more vibrant, even though the p3 digital cinema felt a bit more real - the option between the two is a nice feature

The 3800 can really really hang there right with the 5050 in the neutral HDR mode - great color depth, clarity, and contrast. I might even say that I like it more just as a fun viewing experience - although there are so many ways to tweak these projectors that I'm sure I could get the 5050 to feel just as fun. HDR content even without P3 color is a major jump up in both of these projectors compared to non HRD - the images feel more alive and real - the P3 adds even more sense of realism - like in night scenes the variation between light and dark areas is more drastic - in a certain sense it's hard to see everything at once because of the difference in lighting and color levels and your irises adjusting

They both have the 16 segment HDR brightness slider which is very nice

The 5050's eco mode and normal mode are really close in brightness, really barely a difference, while the high mode is a significant jump. The 3800 has a more equal jump between it's 3 brightness modes. The 3800's eco mode is actually a bit brighter than the 5050's normal mode, and the 3800's normal mode feels about as bright as the 5050's high mode.

Fan noise is less on the 5050 one eco and normal than the 3800's eco by a hair - but the 3800's eco mode is brighter than either of those modes - I can't hear the 3800's eco mode at all unless it is dead silent and I'm really listening for it so I think all 3 of these modes are great in terms of noise. The 3800's normal mode is maybe a hair louder than the 5050's high mode - but it is not noticeable if there is any soundtrack. The 3800's high mode is definitely louder, but it is also throwing much more light. I need to do more comparisons between the two projectors and their brightest modes with the dynamic setting that is really there to combat ambient light for better comparisons of how bright they can both get. I tend not to use super bright modes so didn't really focus there.

I like that with the 3800 I'd almost always be using eco mode, which will give me the most lamp life. With the 5050 I'd probably be using normal and high more.

The remote controlled lens positioning, zoom, and focus of the 5050 were actually more difficult for me to setup, but the fact that you can remember lens positions is quite nice. I do think the 5050 had better sharpness throughout all areas of the screen - whereas I've found with the 3800 (and the 3500) that if you get the top of the screen perfectly in focus the bottom will be ever so slightly slightly soft, and vice versa, so I do a centralized focusing that get both edges pretty close to perfect.

So honestly so far for me I'm not sure paying $1100 more for the 5050 is really worth it (I paid $1599 for the 3800 and $2699 for the 5050) but I have a while to play with them before I need to make a decision - maybe prices will come down too?

That's all for now
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Black out the entire room and get better blacks from the 5050UB.
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The more ambient and/or cross reflected light that hits the screen the less advantage a projector with superior contrast/black levels will have over one with lesser contrast/black levels.
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Black out the entire room and get better blacks from the 5050UB.
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The more ambient and/or cross reflected light that hits the screen the less advantage a projector with superior contrast/black levels will have over one with lesser contrast/black levels.
Yes thanks

That is why I mentioned my room's condition - so that my description of the two projectors relays that what I am experiencing is not indicative of the results a fully blackened room would yield

Just to be clear: my room has a dark brown brick wall on one side, windows with dark red full blackout curtains on the other side, a brown ceramic tiled floor, and a white ceiling. And my screen is light grey 120" 1.0 gain. I may get some black cloth for the ceiling since that is the biggest culprit of light reflection.
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So honestly so far for me I'm not sure paying $1100 more for the 5050 is really worth it (I paid $1599 for the 3800 and $2699 for the 5050) but I have a while to play with them before I need to make a decision - maybe prices will come down too? (...)
Hi,
thanks for comparison. I have had also 3800/Europe 7100) and 5050 (Europe 9400 ?) in direct comparison.

I am o. k. with brightness/noise level, but:

Unfortunately my 3800 has a "bad" eshifting function (used for Full HD upscaling and also for 4k content).

If I compare both projectors with without Super Resolution and Detail Enhancement = Parameters = 0) or at least with exact the same parameter level, I see clearl a better sharpness -resolution with 5050 e-shifting.
Or in other words: The sharpness of my 3800 is mainly based on Super Resolution/Detail Enhancement, not on the optical/technical properties of my projector.

Isn´t it the case in your comparison with your projector 3800 ?

I have also an bigger issue with rec709 and a smaller with BT2020 in factory presets of my 3800, will perhaps provide datas of color comparison/calibr. later.
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https://www.projectorreviews.com/eps...eview-summary/

I find the review extremely positive.
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Hi,
thanks for comparison. I have had also 3800/Europe 7100) and 5050 (Europe 9400 ?) in direct comparison.

I am o. k. with brightness/noise level, but:

Unfortunately my 3800 has a "bad" eshifting function (used for Full HD upscaling and also for 4k content).

If I compare both projectors with without Super Resolution and Detail Enhancement = Parameters = 0) or at least with exact the same parameter level, I see clearl a better sharpness -resolution with 5050 e-shifting.
Or in other words: The sharpness of my 3800 is mainly based on Super Resolution/Detail Enhancement, not on the optical/technical properties of my projector.

Isn´t it the case in your comparison with your projector 3800 ?

I have also an bigger issue with rec709 and a smaller with BT2020 in factory presets of my 3800, will perhaps provide datas of color comparison/calibr. later.
I wasn't noticing the difference in perceived resolution, sharpness, or image quality honestly... I did have both projectors at preset level 3. I will be away until Sunday but will check it out more thoroughly when I return

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I find the review extremely positive.
Yes - I wonder about the lack of contrast and blacks they speak about - when you look at reviews on bestbuy.com, a lot of people complain about the black levels being very grey with the 3200, while the 3800 reviews don't have any complaints and people think the black levels are very good and the contrast good as well - I wonder if the stated difference Epson claims of 40,000:1 vs 100,000:1 is actually more true than it usually is in "sister" projectors. Further projector central seems to think the 3800 gets great blacks and contrast since they said: "Color accuracy, contrast, shadow detail, black level, and sense of three-dimensionality were all excellent" I'd love to see a direct comparison...

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Yes - I wonder about the lack of contrast and blacks they speak about - when you look at reviews on bestbuy.com, a lot of people complain about the black levels being very grey with the 3200, while the 3800 reviews don't have any complaints and people think the black levels are very good and the contrast good as well - I wonder if the stated difference Epson claims of 40,000:1 vs 100,000:1 is actually more true than it usually is in "sister" projectors. Further projector central seems to think the 3800 gets great blacks and contrast since they said: "Color accuracy, contrast, shadow detail, black level, and sense of three-dimensionality were all excellent" I'd love to see a direct comparison...


I think this is the pertinent part of that discussion from Art’s review:

“The native contrast of the Home Cinema 3200 was just average. This is because the black level of the projector was just okay. The unit does have an Auto Iris feature to boost the units Dynamic Contrast but even when it is engaged the claim Dynamic Contrast was just 40,000:1.
In a dark environment the ability to produce more contrast offers a massive benefit. However, in a room with higher ambient light, since our eyes are less sensitive to blacks, the contrast benefit is greatly reduced.
In a bright room, higher brightness provides a higher perceived level of contrast. The Home Cinema 3200 rated brightness of 2900 lumens will make both SDR/HDR images pop in a family or game room.”

That last part is the important part and it’s why you’re reading that many people are happy with the contrast of this model even if Art says it’s average or OK: in a less than ideal room it’s lumen output, not contrast/black levels, that are important. While I would argue that this is true of ANY display, projectors in particular are very reliant on the room itself when it comes to the quality of image you can achieve. To get the best possible image you don’t just need an expensive projector, you also need a well treated room. Ever notice how some of the most expensive projectors aimed at home theater also have the lowest lumen rating?

Art’s room, btw, is treated. He has dark walls, floors and ceiling and he has black out curtains over all the Windows. His is a room that can benefit from a higher contrast projector so he’s going to be more critical about this aspect of image quality. Still, he really likes the Epson!
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Just got my 3800 tonight. Replacing a marantz vp4001 720p. I have this set up in my living room. White walls, white ceilings. 96" pulldown screen. I really like this projector. Great colors. Currently using out of the box settings on cinema. Watching a movie with a light on right next to me. Looks like a giant tv. Very sharp, super quiet on eco compared to my marantz. Anyone have any settings to share? I know it is independent to everyone's own room, maybe just a starting point. Hoping to watch some football tomorrow.
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anybody have an opinion, on how these handle action sports ?
Same question -- how is fast movement? I've been sliding back and forth between the DLP TK800m and this projector.
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interesting, that epson looks so bad in this comparison video.
I guess, he didn't set the right settings for epson.

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interesting, that epson looks so bad in this comparison video.
I guess, he didn't set the right settings for epson. (...)
Maybe. But the 3200/3800 Epsons are projectors with an eshifting device, that worsens my picture, because eshifting leads to a bit more "blurred" picture. And thats the opposite of what I expect from "4K". I have seen that live with my projectosr and from my point of view its visible also in this video.

The only way to get more "sharpness" during upscaling of Full HD content or playing native 4k content is to use the picture enhancers (detail enhancement, super resolution) but with that (best is to switch the upscaling function "off" with Full HD content to get more sharpness) I get "only" an artificially enhanced 4K image "impression", very far away from native 4K or other eshiftig projetors, on maximum Full HD level.
=> probably he didn´t use this enhancers or only on low parameter levels in the video.

I have meanwhile exchanged my first 3800, with tho hope to get rid of that, but I have exactly the same issue with the second one. See pictures enclosed.
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interesting, that epson looks so bad in this comparison video.
I guess, he didn't set the right settings for epson.
Nope what you are seeing is that the Epson is so bright at that size it overpowers the camera/eyes. I'll admit if you are planning on doing a 50" or so image skip the bright Epson. So to back up my claims way back in the day I did a side by side with my Epson (1800 lumens) and a cheap DLP (3000 lumens...really). The Epson on the right looks like crap when compared to the DLP in the photos.


Without the DLP in the shot the image looks much better to the camera.


Still I wanted to know what was going on so I luckily had two of the Epsons. One was the standard 151.5" 16:9 which looked so much better to my eyes that the post it note size image (60" or so).

The takeaways I got back then are that photos/videos aren't always accurate with projectors side by side and that for a large image in a less than perfect room the Epson is the way to go and at post it note sizes 100" or less , the DLP might be the way to go. Of course, results may vary these days, but I've just stuck with Epsons for my rooms.
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I had an issue with my first HC3800 (the lens shift would 'shift' while watching) so I exchanged it but got a unit with pretty bad focus.

- The poorly focusing unit explains the screen shot comparison posted earlier in this thread.

I moved on...

Currently have an Epson 4010 because I have not found something else to buy just yet (looking for a JVC x770r/rs520 or x790r/rs540).

- The 4010 bests the 3800 other than lumens (and of course lack of 4K 60Hz with HDR).

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I had an issue with my first HC3800 (the lens shift would 'shift' while watching) so I exchanged it but got a unit with pretty bad focus.

- The poorly focusing unit explains the screen shot comparison posted earlier in this thread.

I moved on...

Currently have an Epson 4010 because I have not found something else to buy just yet (looking for a JVC x770r/rs520 or x790r/rs540).

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How is the PQ compared to the 3800?
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I had an issue with my first HC3800 (the lens shift would 'shift' while watching) so I exchanged it but got a unit with pretty bad focus.



- The poorly focusing unit explains the screen shot comparison posted earlier in this thread.



I moved on...



Currently have an Epson 4010 because I have not found something else to buy just yet (looking for a JVC x770r/rs520 or x790r/rs540).



- The 4010 bests the 3800 other than lumens (and of course lack of 4K 60Hz with HDR).



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Same happened to me so I am going to hang onto 4010 for now

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How is the PQ compared to the 3800?
4010 wins on all counts other than lumen output.

- The 4010 looks better without HDR at 4K 60Hz than the 3800 did with HDR tone mapping at 4K 60Hz.

- The issue with the 4010 is that it's best UHD viewing mode "Digital Cinema" is very dim, however it can be tweaked and the addition of one of the Panasonic UHD players (420/820/9000) makes it doable on my 133" 1.0 gain screen (again after some tweaking).

The 3800 is great for the money but at the current cost of admission for the 4010 it's the better choice if you have a proper room and don't mind the lack of HDR tone mapping at 4K 60Hz (gaming).

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I addressed the contrast difference earlier in the thread:

Epson's specifications show the 3800 with better contrast than the 3200, just as they showed the 3700 with better contrast than the 3100 and the 3500 with better contrast than the 3000. In real world testing the 3100 measured the same native black level as the 3700 and the 3000 measured the same native black level as the 3500. There's no reason to believe the 3800 and 3200 are any different in native black level.

Most people must have been either quoting manufacturer specs or just plain guessing without consideration for past Epson 3000 series measured performance. The white being different mentioned above was simply saying that the extra 100 lumens of the 3800 will allow it to go a little brighter than the 3200 which will be most obvious in brighter whites, but it won't go any darker so no improvement in blacks.

Anyone trying to decide between the 3800 and 3200 right now based on contrast and black levels has three choices: trust published manufacturer specs for contrast which are known to be exaggerated, make an educated guess based on the previous history of measured 3000 series performance or wait for a direct measured comparison of the 3800 and 3200 from a reliable source which could take a long time.

If it were me spending my own money and I didn't need the extra 100 lumens or internal speakers of the 3800 I'd save $200 and go with a 3200. YMMV.
Hmm, but it's not about believing, it's all about testing two models and comparing them side by side. This is the last piece of the puzzle for me, before I will spend 500 EUR more for EH-TW7100 (HC3800). If black levels are better in EH-TW7100, I will definitely buy this model.

Any new info about black levels EH-TW7100 vs EH-TW7000?

As for EH-TW7100 and EH-TW7000 in Europe, those models both have 3000 lumens, not 3000 vs 2900. So why there is a difference in EU vs US? Or is it just a mistake in specification?

https://www.epson.eu/products/projec...specifications
https://www.epson.eu/products/projec...specifications

Thank you in advance for your replies.

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@VAMET , the fact that Epson markets both the EH-TW7000 and EH-TW7100 with 3,000 lumens while marketing the HC 3200 with 2,900 lumens and the HC 3800 with 3,000 lumens suggests to me that these are just marketing numbers and not actual performance measurements. You would have to ask Epson why they are marketing different specs in the EU and in North America when they haven't done this in the past.

I know of no measured contrast comparison between the EH-TW7000 and EH-TW7100 that has yet been published by a reliable independent source, so all we can do for the time being is speculate based on past comparisons that have shown no difference. I'm sure if such a comparison is made between these two new models that it will be quickly noted by someone here in this thread.
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@VAMET , the fact that Epson markets both the EH-TW7000 and EH-TW7100 with 3,000 lumens while marketing the HC 3200 with 2,900 lumens and the HC 3800 with 3,000 lumens suggests to me that these are just marketing numbers and not actual performance measurements. You would have to ask Epson why they are marketing different specs in the EU and in North America when they haven't done this in the past.

I know of no measured contrast comparison between the EH-TW7000 and EH-TW7100 that has yet been published by a reliable independent source, so all we can do for the time being is speculate based on past comparisons that have shown no difference. I'm sure if such a comparison is made between these two new models that it will be quickly noted by someone here in this thread.
Thank you for your reply.

I have asked https://projektory.pro/ Team, to make a such comparison. They are official Epson reseller, so maybe they will do this comparison. At the moment their first answer (translated from Polish to English) :

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The difference is noticeable, we had a customer who had both projectors to test at home and chose the EH-TW7000 the black level is significantly improved in the TW7100 model, for some it will be worth the extra payment, for some not .. both models are very good PS. TW7000 at a lower price on the site until Monday
So we are waiting for someone's comparison.

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Dear Dave in Green



Thank you for your reply.

I have asked https://projektory.pro/ Team, to make a such comparison. They are official Epson reseller, so maybe they will do this comparison. At the moment their first answer (translated from Polish to English) :



So we are waiting for someone's comparison.

Sincerely
I would not consider an official Epson reseller to be a reliable, independent source of objective performance data. They have a vested interest in making more profit from selling the more expensive model, so it's in their best interest to convince customers to buy the more expensive EH-TW7100 over the less expensive EH-TW7000.

With identical lumen ratings the only realistic way I can think of for the EH-TW7100 to have more than twice the contrast of the EH-TW7000 would be if it had different panels with different native contrast. There is no evidence to suggest this is true. Both projector models are simply said to have 0.61" wide Polysilicon TFT active matrix panels. If replacement panels for both projectors had different part numbers that would suggest they might have different panels with different native contrast. So if someone can find the replacement panel part numbers for both models that would be helpful.
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