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That is the rub. I don't think the 3800 will be enough of an upgrade over the 3700 to make it worthwhile. The 3700 was perfect... for us...bright picture, much better blacks than the old projector, simple calibration, quiet, good all around image, cheap enough to turn on and leave on and small enough to easily move. Now if 4k was the standard... sure, but in a world where I'm just happy to get close to HD not so much. Still the 3700 was perfect so hopefully the 3800 will fit the bill for a couple of years.



In a perfect world I would be upgrading in 9 to 12 months, still have the 3700 for 80% of "my" casual viewing and then the 5050 could be used for the 20% of viewing. I still may have a go at the 3700 repair since I am fairly sure a simple cleaning of the auto iris would suffice...it is just getting the darn thing torn down while not getting dust in the light path and then successfully reassembling it. Sadly my 10 months of Air Force Electronics training (instrument/auto pilot) was 35 years ago.



Update: Just checked and Amazon has now shipped the 3800 so the final decision "ship has sailed". Unfortunately Amazon "expletive" and moved the promised arrival day from Tuesday to Friday. Since I have to be here to sign for the "large purchase" and have out of town plans during the day on Friday, "expletive...expletive...expletive".
I am unable to see 3800 being sold by Amazon.

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Amazon only had five (on sale) 3800s in stock when I started looking at the website. The next time I checked it was down to four, so that is when I ordered at around 1 o'clock in the morning. I was afraid they would sell out before morning and I'd be stuck with BB a company I refuse to do business with unless they are the only option. I was actually going to wait for BB to open on Saturday since it is 2 miles away and has the 3200 on demo... so look, demo and buy anywhere else is my BB motto. At least until they have a going out of business sale.

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Amazon only had five (on sale) 3800s in stock when I started looking at the website. The next time I checked it was down to four, so that is when I ordered at around 1 o'clock in the morning. I was afraid they would sell out before morning and I'd be stuck with BB a company I refuse to do business with unless they are the only option. I was actually going to wait for BB to open on Saturday since it is 2 miles away and has the 3200 on demo... so look, demo and buy anywhere else is my BB motto. At least until they have a going out of business sale.
Ok. I could only find it at BB. So purchased it there. I don't have an issue with BB.

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Ok. I could only find it at BB. So purchased it there. I don't have an issue with BB.

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Glad you found it.

(I'm just a little miffed at them over a non-electronic $50 item that was defective only to have them tell us that "policy was no refunds or exchanges" on the item and to contact the manufacturer. I've got three computers around the house I bought from them, five or more TVs and smaller items, along with numerous other items but I realized that I never actually had to return anything...until we did. Admittedly I didn't deal with them - other household members - or pursue the matter "up the chain" since it was such a small amount.)

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Price

You guys that picked up from BB at 1500 are lucky :/ I was hesitant and now the price has gone back up to MSRP.

Hope this thread isn't completely against price talk.
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You guys that picked up from BB at 1500 are lucky :/ I was hesitant and now the price has gone back up to MSRP.



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I picked up in November but they honored the price drop even after 30 days.

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You guys that picked up from BB at 1500 are lucky :/ I was hesitant and now the price has gone back up to MSRP.

Hope this thread isn't completely against price talk.

This being effectively a "budget" version of the 5050UB, and this thread being as inactive as it is, I for one am totally fine with price talk. Especially considering that Best Buy still seems to have some kind of exclusivity with sales of this unit. I'm sure some of those following the thread will be interested to know when it's on sale elsewhere, and for how much.

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Hi which PJ can you recommend between HC3800, UHD51 or W3550.
I have my projector in ceiling mount and 120" Tab Tension Grandview screen.
Normally I don't blackened the room completely since it's livingroom but on occations I can.
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Can anyone help with settings on the 3800? I've had it for a few weeks but a total noob to this stuff.

Is there a disk specifically I should buy to calibrate this PJ?

Also, I had to mount it as high as possible for it to work with my Fixed Frame Cinegrey3D screen. Is there any issues that will come, such as artifacts, with the Horizontal Shift fully maxed out? The picture looks good to me but just want to make sure. I have the ability to return the Cinegrey3D screen.

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Turn off feature or not

I am able to turn on the 3800 when my Yamaha receiver turns on; but found no way for the 3800 to turn off automatically. The issue is either Dish or Roku has a screen saver after the power is turned off and it keeps the 3800 on. I looked at Dish and seems no way to turn the saver off and have not looked at Roku. I had the Epson 1060 and worked great as had Wifi, I miss that on the 3800. Thoughts?
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Can anyone help with settings on the 3800? I've had it for a few weeks but a total noob to this stuff.



Is there a disk specifically I should buy to calibrate this PJ?



Also, I had to mount it as high as possible for it to work with my Fixed Frame Cinegrey3D screen. Is there any issues that will come, such as artifacts, with the Horizontal Shift fully maxed out? The picture looks good to me but just want to make sure. I have the ability to return the Cinegrey3D screen.



Thanks!
Thank you. I am also looking for optimal settings on the 3800.

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Before I begin a somewhat negative "impression" of the HC3800, I want to say I like Epson projectors. My two HC2000s (dual rooms at the time) where mostly issue free and my HC3700 was great for 27 months. Even with what I consider a major let down with the HC3700's break down at 27 months/5000 plus lamp hours (auto iris issue blue screen of death), I decided to give them another try and purchased the HC3800.

Well...the HC3800 arrived after a week in transit from Amazon. I think a moron boxed it. The projector box was in a huge box with one small section of brown paper which allowed the projector to bang against the sides every time the box was moved. Surprising no apparent damage upon firing it up.

First impression, hated it. On Friday at 9 in the morning, I received it, opened it up , fired/set it up, used it a couple of hours and then walked away from it for a day in disgust. Out of the box settings were far inferior to the old HC3700 and the 4K enhancement results in a soft image when fed what Comcast calls HD. Looks much better with the enhancement turned off. Unlike the HC3700 which took a few minutes to set up, I found myself going back and adjusting the projector over and over during Friday and Saturday trying to dial it in. Initially I would focus the center and the top and center would be sharp while the bottom and sides looked soft. I was about to send it back, but I finally grabbed a level and a laser pointer for one last round of adjustments. It seems to be much better now, but it still seems like the HC3700's focus was superior. (I ran into this with my two HC2000s. One focused sharper/more uniformly but had a "louder/harsher" fan while the other was a softer focus/not uniform with a quieter fan. This focus difference wasn't noticeable during movies/shows but I would catch it when trying to dial in the projector.)

Second impression, back to the out of the box settings, the HC3700 was far superior. The image looked great right out of the box in terms of color accuracy while the HC3800's modes all look slightly off in terms of color and tint. Even after my layman's "advanced Disney Wow" disk calibration I'm not completely satisfied with skin tone/color as I change sources unlike the HC3700 which always looked great. One show/movie looks great while the next looks slightly off. Unlike the 3700 which I always used on natural, I think with the 3800 I'll have to jump between natural and cinema depending on the content.

After 10 hours of use I've decided to keep it...I think. While the 3700 was much better suited to 99% of my content, Blu-rays look do look great and the black level of the HC3800 is...seems noticeably superior to the HC3700. If I ever get the 3700 repaired, I'll know for sure...a week with the old HC2000 may have impacted my opinion before seeing the HC3800's image. The true projector test will come when I purchase a 4K blu-ray player and sample true 4K content. Honestly if I had it to do over and know what I know now, I'd have probably grabbed one of the last 3700's from BB or a 3100. Failing that I might have gone down to a HC2150 since most use is 1080p or less. It is just that the 3800's 4K seems wasted since 99% of the time I'll have it turned off. I just think it comes down to my Comcast "signal" and the 3800's entry level 4K up-scaling...it results in a soft image with some distortion. (Last night Target's kid in electronics kept trying to tell me 4K up-scaling blu-ray players were the same as the higher priced true 4K one with either handling 4K disks...since I refused to consider the one remaining 4K Sony unit they had since it looked like a car had ran over the box. He was 100% sure...direct statement...that I was wrong even with my telling him I have a 4K up-scaling player and it will not play my 4K disks.)

Finally....admittedly when I jumped to the 3700 I was using a HC2000 which had a "softer" focus and contrast of 324:1/1170:1 to the 3700's 2142:1/25,207:1, it was a major image quality jump for my media room unlike the 3800 which is more of a lateral move (or even a slight downgrade) given our use...mostly 1080p or less.
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I dont have a 3800 but i think a 4k player will be a nice picture for you Ii have the 5040 and 4k discs look pretty darn good to me with the 4k enhancement on
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What viewing distance are you guys able to see 4k diff vs 1080p say on a 120" screen?
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@steve1106 , I guess I didn't properly factor the quality of the content you typically view (720p and 1080i cable) into my thinking that you would appreciate the improvement of the 3800 over the 3700. The big benefit would come from streaming 4K content. Have you considered cutting the cord on cable and going exclusively to streaming?
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@steve1106 , I guess I didn't properly factor the quality of the content you typically view (720p and 1080i cable) into my thinking that you would appreciate the improvement of the 3800 over the 3700. The big benefit would come from streaming 4K content. Have you considered cutting the cord on cable and going exclusively to streaming?
Dave I would cut the cord in a second since there is very little I watch on cable... but I have three women in the household who in no uncertain terms said "NO". Sadly if Comcast HD was like it was three or four years ago when they made me "upgrade" my box, I think the 3800 would be a good "value" projector. As it stands the projector's 4K "enhancement" while poor with cable HD content, is actually fairly good with blu-rays, but pales to the job my "older" blu-ray player does when it enhances HD to 4K"ish". Really was a "wow" moment last night when I figured out how to turn it on via the 4K enhanced player I bought a few years ago and ended up never using. Colors and image really come to life with the enhancement.

So I've gone back and forth about returning the projector and grabbing a 3100 for much less $, but now I think I would be disappointed come "blu-ray" time. Also Crapcast...Comcast offers a 4K box with a small amount of content, I just need to see if the box will also stream 4K from YouTube, Amazon and Netflix while not raising the already high $290 a month bill. The fact that the box requires them to do a home install is worrisome but we've really become spoiled with using the box(s) for everything.

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Dave I would cut the cord in a second since there is very little I watch on cable... but I have three women in the household who in no uncertain terms said "NO". Sadly if Comcast HD was like it was three or four years ago when they made me "upgrade" my box, I think the 3800 would be a good "value" projector. As it stands the projector's 4K "enhancement" while poor with cable HD content, is actually fairly good with blu-rays, but pales to the job my "older" blu-ray player does when it enhances HD to 4K"ish". Really was a "wow" moment last night when I figured out how to turn it on via the 4K enhanced player I bought a few years ago and ended up never using. Colors and image really come to life with the enhancement.

So I've gone back and forth about returning the projector and grabbing a 3100 for much less $, but now I think I would be disappointed come "blu-ray" time. Also Crapcast...Comcast offers a 4K box with a small amount of content, I just need to see if the box will also stream 4K from YouTube, Amazon and Netflix while not raising the already high $290 a month bill. The fact that the box requires them to do a home install is worrisome but we've really become spoiled with using the box(s) for everything.
You can get a Sony X700 4K HDR BD player, that will stream YouTube, Amazon and Netflix and others in 4K and 3D and has excellent DVD and BD upscaling, Ditto for the Panasonic UB420.
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Does anyone know of optimal settings on this projector?

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I was looking at buying a 3800 for gaming but astonishingly Epson says on their website it doesn't support 4k/60p HDR. Seriously??? Just 24p?? Who thought that was acceptable?? It looks like you have to move all the way up to 6050ub for actual reasonable hdr support.

Is their documentation just wrong?

Edit: their documentation is wrong.

The product page for the 3800 links to https://epson.com/hdrcompatibility which is incorrect. The manual for the 3800 lists support for all 4k 60p signals including 4:4:4 8 bit hdr although it does convert this to 4:2:2. The conversion is not a big deal considering the projector is faux K anyway

This means it will be plenty future proof for ps5

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You can get a Sony X700 4K HDR BD player, that will stream YouTube, Amazon and Netflix and others in 4K and 3D and has excellent DVD and BD upscaling, Ditto for the Panasonic UB420.


Or easier, attach a Fire TV 4k to the AVR or Epson for the fraction of a BD player
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I was looking at buying a 3800 for gaming but astonishingly Epson says on their website it doesn't support 4k/60p HDR. Seriously??? Just 24p?? Who thought that was acceptable?? It looks like you have to move all the way up to 6050ub for actual reasonable hdr support.

Is their documentation just wrong?

Edit: their documentation is wrong.

The product page for the 3800 links to https://epson.com/hdrcompatibility which is incorrect. The manual for the 3800 lists support for all 4k 60p signals including 4:4:4 8 bit hdr although it does convert this to 4:2:2. The conversion is not a big deal considering the projector is faux K anyway

This means it will be plenty future proof for ps5
That page is for the 5040UB/e.

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You can get a Sony X700 4K HDR BD player, that will stream YouTube, Amazon and Netflix and others in 4K and 3D and has excellent DVD and BD upscaling, Ditto for the Panasonic UB420.
Thanks, I'm going to order one now. I just wasn't sure if it cover 4K streaming.
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Or easier, attach a Fire TV 4k to the AVR or Epson for the fraction of a BD player
If I didn't need the true 4K player I'd go Fire TV, but I've got to admit it is tempting for Alexa. I think some days I talk more to her than my wife.
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I was looking at buying a 3800 for gaming but astonishingly Epson says on their website it doesn't support 4k/60p HDR. Seriously??? Just 24p?? Who thought that was acceptable?? It looks like you have to move all the way up to 6050ub for actual reasonable hdr support.

Is their documentation just wrong?

Edit: their documentation is wrong.

The product page for the 3800 links to https://epson.com/hdrcompatibility which is incorrect. The manual for the 3800 lists support for all 4k 60p signals including 4:4:4 8 bit hdr although it does convert this to 4:2:2. The conversion is not a big deal considering the projector is faux K anyway

This means it will be plenty future proof for ps5
That page is for the 5040UB/e.

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It is. Epson should fix their website
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It is. Epson should fix their website
But how did you get from the HC3800 page to the 5040UB page?
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I have summarized my comparison of the Epson HC 3200 (TW7000) and the more expensive HC 3800 (TW7100) projectors in a short video.

My video can never replace a viewing with your own eyes in your own environment, but it should show similarities and differences of both projectors, hopefully at least as a "trend".
Therefore some image comparisons, my simple measurements of colours as well as my impression of the "4K" performance are shown.
All photos and measurements have been made in our living room. In this room we are using one of this projectors currently as a TV replacement.

(English subtitles are available in the video)
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So after 30 hours with the 3800 and a "correct" calibration, I'm finally sold and just registered the 3800.

Blu-ray enhanced alone makes it a worthy upgrade over the 3700 and after finally streaming in 4K it is definitely a keeper for the "sale" price. (My true 4K player arrived this morning and for the last three hours I've been sampling 4K via Amazon and YouTube...still got to find my Netflix password and try one of my "2" 4K blu-rays.) After finally getting the calibration right (disk's advanced calibration's contrast was way off when I ran expert), the only issue now is that the focus is not uniform so a compromise had to be made between laser sharp center focus and a soft bottom right side, or a slight softening the center to sharpen the side. It could be an issue with projector placement given it is on a high shelf and a liberal amount of lens shift is being used while I am only using a painted wall as a screen.

I'm still a little curious about the HC4010's better lens/focus/image, but I think given my "basic" media room the added brightness of the 3800 makes it the right choice. With it I can replace the lamp three times for the cost of one 4010 lamp and with my 151.5" 16:9 or 143.5" 2.35:1 brightness is a must. It helps that the slightly soft area is below the image when doing scope, that it is not really noticeable when watching shows and there was good priced difference between the projectors at time of purchase. (The only issue is I know it is there and keep looking for it. )

As an aside, does anyone know a good projector repair shop around Northern Virginia or DC. I really think the HC3700 auto iris is just a stuck iris/gear given we never heard grinding or experience any issues until the day I fired it up and immediately got the iris fault blue screen of death. It just seems a shame to toss it given the hours on the unit and sadly my year of military electronics training was back in 1985 and they were still teaching "tubes" back then. Admittedly we were the last class to get tubes or so they said.
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So after 30 hours with the 3800 and a "correct" calibration, I'm finally sold and just registered the 3800.

Blu-ray enhanced alone makes it a worthy upgrade over the 3700 and after finally streaming in 4K it is definitely a keeper for the "sale" price. (My true 4K player arrived this morning and for the last three hours I've been sampling 4K via Amazon and YouTube...still got to find my Netflix password and try one of my "2" 4K blu-rays.) After finally getting the calibration right (disk's advanced calibration's contrast was way off when I ran expert), the only issue now is that the focus is not uniform so a compromise had to be made between laser sharp center focus and a soft bottom right side, or a slight softening the center to sharpen the side. It could be an issue with projector placement given it is on a high shelf and a liberal amount of lens shift is being used while I am only using a painted wall as a screen.

I'm still a little curious about the HC4010's better lens/focus/image, but I think given my "basic" media room the added brightness of the 3800 makes it the right choice. With it I can replace the lamp three times for the cost of one 4010 lamp and with my 151.5" 16:9 or 143.5" 2.35:1 brightness is a must. It helps that the slightly soft area is below the image when doing scope, that it is not really noticeable when watching shows and there was good priced difference between the projectors at time of purchase. (The only issue is I know it is there and keep looking for it. )

As an aside, does anyone know a good projector repair shop around Northern Virginia or DC. I really think the HC3700 auto iris is just a stuck iris/gear given we never heard grinding or experience any issues until the day I fired it up and immediately got the iris fault blue screen of death. It just seems a shame to toss it given the hours on the unit and sadly my year of military electronics training was back in 1985 and they were still teaching "tubes" back then. Admittedly we were the last class to get tubes or so they said.
Care to share what you ended up using for your settings? I am stil currently using the default settings on natural.
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So after 30 hours with the 3800 and a "correct" calibration, I'm finally sold and just registered the 3800.

Blu-ray enhanced alone makes it a worthy upgrade over the 3700 and after finally streaming in 4K it is definitely a keeper for the "sale" price. (My true 4K player arrived this morning and for the last three hours I've been sampling 4K via Amazon and YouTube...still got to find my Netflix password and try one of my "2" 4K blu-rays.) After finally getting the calibration right (disk's advanced calibration's contrast was way off when I ran expert), the only issue now is that the focus is not uniform so a compromise had to be made between laser sharp center focus and a soft bottom right side, or a slight softening the center to sharpen the side. It could be an issue with projector placement given it is on a high shelf and a liberal amount of lens shift is being used while I am only using a painted wall as a screen.

I'm still a little curious about the HC4010's better lens/focus/image, but I think given my "basic" media room the added brightness of the 3800 makes it the right choice. With it I can replace the lamp three times for the cost of one 4010 lamp and with my 151.5" 16:9 or 143.5" 2.35:1 brightness is a must. It helps that the slightly soft area is below the image when doing scope, that it is not really noticeable when watching shows and there was good priced difference between the projectors at time of purchase. (The only issue is I know it is there and keep looking for it. )

As an aside, does anyone know a good projector repair shop around Northern Virginia or DC. I really think the HC3700 auto iris is just a stuck iris/gear given we never heard grinding or experience any issues until the day I fired it up and immediately got the iris fault blue screen of death. It just seems a shame to toss it given the hours on the unit and sadly my year of military electronics training was back in 1985 and they were still teaching "tubes" back then. Admittedly we were the last class to get tubes or so they said.

Allow me to muddy the waters just a tad. I'm an Epson 3700 owner and had a chance to demo a 4010 the past couple weeks. I have a 150" 16:9 screen so I understand the need for lumens. My observation was that the 4010 seemed just as bright as the 3700 even in medium lamp. You can push the 3700 to high lamp but it sounds like a 747 taking off which comes to my next point. The 4010 in high lamp is still quieter to my ears than the 3700 in medium. It's just a quieter projector. I also had a chance to use the 4010 with a Panasonic 420 and playing with the HD optimizer was able to make even the filtered digital cinema mode seem much brighter than expected which looked fantastic. I was actually extremely impressed with the 4010 which I wasn't expecting. I'm about to pull the trigger on the 5050 but to be honest if the 4010 had the 18gb hdmi I don't know that I could just the cost in my setup. I can say that given the choice between jumping up to the 3800 or the 4010 I would pick the 4010 simply for the little bit of extra contrast, the digital cinema mode and the much lower fan noise. If you have a chance to easily check it out.....maybe do a comparison? I was genuinely surprised how much I liked the 4010 and how big of a step up it was over my 3700. Just way better.
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