Originally Posted by Aaronman
Of course we all realize that in an average-sized, white-walled living room, the contrast difference may still be minimal or not visible, especially considering the lower brightness of the 3200/7000, which wouldn't necessarily be a disadvantage in that environment.
A projector with better contrast will still perform better at low ADL. Check out these three models in white vs. treated rooms at 1 and 2% ADL (the dots between the 0 and 5% on the graph).
This is what 0.156% ADL looks like: https://i.imgur.com/koEbTIr.png
And 2.96%: https://i.imgur.com/8av85aV.png
Originally Posted by tokbandit
been debating over getting the 3800 or just waiting for another year or two. I thought about the 6050 but man I just can't seem to spend that kind of money on a non Native 4k projector no matter how good it is and if I got the 5050 I feel like I would regret not spending the extra money on the 6050 and the 5040 and 4010 are out also...so I am at the 3800.
My current setup is great but I am looking to go 4K as I have everything else setup for it. I have the Epson 2150, Darbeevision 5000s, DE Pulsar 1.4 ALR screen, Blacked out around the screen, Panny 820, and running through a Yamaha 5200 and Panamax 5400...
I am very curious on the 3800 and if it would be that much of an improvement over the 2150 besides 4K in my current setup...if it is close then I might just wait awhile. I watched Gemini Man and can't see how much better the image could look as far as sharpness and clarity but I know with HDR will make the colors pop and look better.
Why would you need more brightness? The DES screen has a 1.4 gain and I don't think they make them bigger than 120".
The Epson 5xxxUB/6xxxUB series are brighter than the HC2150 and only slightly less bright than the HC3800. Just look at the measurements between the three (bottom of the post).
Digital Cinema and Cinema (in the 5xxx/6xxxUB series) have lower values because the DCI P3 filter is enabled on these two presets, but Bright Cinema is very close to the HC3800.
It terms of color gamut, the HC2150 and HC3800 are more similar, hovering around 100% or REC.709. Could not find the figures for the HC2150, but for the HC3800 it's 105% REC.709/71% DCI P3, with 112%/75% DCI P3 after calibration. Out of the box presets for the HC3800 are not great, with users (see posts above) requesting better settings.
The 5xxx/6xxxUB series can cover 87% of DCI P3, with over 100% when the filter is engaged. The HC3800 does not have a filter, and while the filter reduces brightness, the remaining lumens are enough for an 1.4 gain screen that can't be larger than 120".
The 5xxx/6xxxUB series have better lenses and other components than the HC3xxx series.
With that setup a projector with good black level could be used. If you don't want to get the 5050UB, than a refurbished 5040UB is less than half the price, comes with warranty direct from Epson. It has a 10GB HDMI, which means it cannot do do 4K HDR 60Hz, 30Hz at the most. This is not just for gaming, some boxes/streaming services require 60Hz, even if most movies/TV are in 24Hz. To bypass this limitation the bit depth needs to be dropped to 8bit from 10. This can be achieved via a HDFury linker.