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Of course rainbow resistance depends on the sequential flashing speed of the solid state lamps, just as it depends on the speed of the color wheel. By most accounts many of the early solid state RGB projectors were at least comparable to RGBRGB color wheel models and some have been rated better. As solid state RGB projector technology continues to advance there is potential for even greater rainbow resistance. Not sure if any of the companies producing color wheel projectors have any potential improvements in the R&D pipeline. But longterm I'd expect the edge to go to solid state RGB.


It’s really all over the place. I’ve seen a couple lower priced LG LED models (less than $1500) that displayed RBE more often than traditional ‘2X’ colorwheel DLPs. But then the laser powered LG is supposed to have a very low occurrence of RBE and I believe that model actually uses a colorwheel despite being billed as a solid state. Meanwhile, BenQ’s (very expensive) color spark models are similarly excellent in this regard. So I think price might be a component here.
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HC3200, not 3600, right?
The 3800 it is posted on the Epson site, $1799(US).
Yes, I meant 3200.
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I can't wait for reviews to start coming out for the 3800. I am sensitive to rainbows and this looks like a great alternative to the 3550
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The 3800 is available to preorder at Best Buy. It will come out on the 13th and comes with a $200 gift card.

I ordered one and can’t wait to get it. It’s replacing an Epson Home Cinema 3500 I’ve had since 2015.

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The 3800 is available to preorder at Best Buy. It will come out on the 13th and comes with a $200 gift card.

I ordered one and can’t wait to get it. It’s replacing an Epson Home Cinema 3500 I’ve had since 2015.

FYI: Best Buy is charging a 15% restocking fee on projectors.

I'd like to do a side by side in my man cave with the 3800 and 6500. I replaced my 5030 with a 3700 and it was a much better fit for me considering how much sports I watch on it with a 150" screen. I want to see how big of a deal the expanded color space is between the two. I believe the gap in lumens between the 6050 and 3800 will be closer than the 5030 and 3700 but some things you just have to see for yourself to determine. I don't mind paying the extra money for the 6050 but if it doesn't have enough pop I'll trade a brighter colors for more colors.
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i'm tempted to pre-order a 3800 and replace my 2150 if only for the extra lumens. i'm running the popular white-over-black spandex AT screen setup and it's wonderful but the gain is very low (~0.6?), and i'm shooting from 19' away. i'd also get a small contrast bump. i wish best buy would waive the return fee for elite plus members so i could do a direct comparison between the two and not be out a couple hundred dollars.
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German review that concludes the 3800 has a significant edge over the 3200 in black levels, contrast and HDR processing:


Summary: Epson EH-TW7100
  • Good color representation after calibration
  • Very flexible with big zoom and LensShift
  • Visibly better black value
  • Higher contrast in the picture thanks to the real aperture
  • Deep, realistic 4K HDR representation
  • Surcharge for the TW7000
Summary: Epson EH-TW7000
  • Cheaper 4K entry with LCD projection advantages
  • Known good color representation after calibration
  • Good zoom and generous LensShift
  • Moderate contrast e
  • Only mediocre black level
  • The HDR image clearly loses depth like punch



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German review that concludes the 3800 has a significant edge over the 3200 in black levels, contrast and HDR processing:


Summary: Epson EH-TW7100
  • Good color representation after calibration
  • Very flexible with big zoom and LensShift
  • Visibly better black value
  • Higher contrast in the picture thanks to the real aperture
  • Deep, realistic 4K HDR representation
  • Surcharge for the TW7000
Summary: Epson EH-TW7000
  • Cheaper 4K entry with LCD projection advantages
  • Known good color representation after calibration
  • Good zoom and generous LensShift
  • Moderate contrast e
  • Only mediocre black level
  • The HDR image clearly loses depth like punch



https://translate.googleusercontent....v00glxjGGYCrDg
Not sure how much to trust that source, with those promotional images in the review.
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I'd like to do a side by side in my man cave with the 3800 and 6500. I replaced my 5030 with a 3700 and it was a much better fit for me considering how much sports I watch on it with a 150" screen. I want to see how big of a deal the expanded color space is between the two. I believe the gap in lumens between the 6050 and 3800 will be closer than the 5030 and 3700 but some things you just have to see for yourself to determine. I don't mind paying the extra money for the 6050 but if it doesn't have enough pop I'll trade a brighter colors for more colors.
Ya I'm curious about the brightness difference between the 3800 and 5050/6050 as well. On paper it's only 400 lumens at the highest, but my question would be for medium power lamp mode.
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It looks like heimkino.de is integrated with "our home theater network partners throughout Germany," and retail-connected sites are not the best source of information for objective comparison tests. These test results appear pretty superficial, especially by German standards.

Looking back at Epson 3000 series history, the only real visual performance difference between the Epson 3700 and 3100 is that the 3700 could go brighter. It was the same with their predecessors, the 3500 and 3000. The 3500 could go brighter but they had the same panels, lens, etc., and otherwise performed the same.

Unless Epson has made a change in its 3000 series differential to include different visual components the 3800 and 3200 should be comparable in visual performance outside of brightness. Of course the brightness advantage includes dynamic contrast as if two projectors have roughly the same black level floor but one has a higher lumen potential it will measure higher dynamic contrast.
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I bought my 3800 on release day from BB (and received the $200 gift card). The 3800 replaced a 3100 that I recently purchased and returned in order to go 4K. Being new to projectors, a cant really offer any insights other than it looks like an upgrade from the 3100 and the noise at medium power is fairly quiet. I also picked up a 3550 that I am going to use to compare against the 3800.


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I bought my 3800 on release day from BB (and received the $200 gift card). The 3800 replaced a 3100 that I recently purchased and returned in order to go 4K. Being new to projectors, a cant really offer any insights other than it looks like an upgrade from the 3100 and the noise at medium power is fairly quiet. I also picked up a 3550 that I am going to use to compare against the 3800.


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A comparison of the Benq 3550 and the Epson HC 3800 would be greatly appreciated by many here I'm sure!
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Does the 3800 have lens memory? Been looking at the 5050ub as I want to do a constant height screen but this has enough zoom to do such a screen but wondering if you can set 2 screen sizes. My room has some ambient light so the extra lumens and lower price are appealing.
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Does the 3800 have lens memory? Been looking at the 5050ub as I want to do a constant height screen but this has enough zoom to do such a screen but wondering if you can set 2 screen sizes. My room has some ambient light so the extra lumens and lower price are appealing.

No. The 3800 has a manual lens, but it does have an anamorphic mode in its menus so I think that means that you could use it with an A lense.



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Here is one picture of a Netflix nature show that I was watching yesterday on my 3800. I have been very happy with this projector. I have been running on Eco mode, Cinema picture mode, high auto iris on an ALR screen (0.6) in a light colored room and have no complaints about the light output, sound, resolution or color of this projector.


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How are the black levels? Acceptable? Also, how much sharper is the eshift vs regular 1080p to your eyes?

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I am picking up a 3800 in a couple hours and I have a (100+ hour) 3550 here as well (+ HW45es), I plan to do a head to head with the 3550 (split screen comparison).

I'll post comments here on AVS and hopefully I can get a YT video up within the next couple of days.

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I am picking up a 3800 in a couple hours and I have a (100+ hour) 3550 here as well (+ HW45es), I plan to do a head to head with the 3550 (split screen comparison).

I'll post comments here on AVS and hopefully I can get a YT video up within the next couple of days.

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Looking forward to this comparison. The 3550 supports 120hz, which interests me. The Epson 3700 I have is super bright on medium power, and I’m using it in a living room. Whatever I get has to be just as bright or brighter.
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I am picking up a 3800 in a couple hours and I have a (100+ hour) 3550 here as well (+ HW45es), I plan to do a head to head with the 3550 (split screen comparison).

I'll post comments here on AVS and hopefully I can get a YT video up within the next couple of days. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

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Look forward to reading this.

Until I read otherwise, I assume the 3200 and 3800 have same the black floor like the 2030/2000, the 2040/2045, and 3100/3700. The higher “contrast” was always Epson claiming the more expensive model could put out 200 more lumens or so.

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First impression... the 3800 is one of the more impressive LCD's that I have seen considering the price point.

- Definitely a solid choice for pseudo 4K 60Hz HDR gaming (in fast mode).

- The fade to black (with iris) is solid but needs faster reaction times (the pumping is visible).

- It does not appear that FI works with 4K HDR 24hz, it's grayed out.

- Remote is really nice.

- Native black level (without iris) is pretty poor.

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Anyone discovered manuals for these yet? I'm trying to see if they have anamorphic stretch mode for sure.

*edit* I found it in case anyone else is curious - https://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd5/cpd57551.pdf . It does state that Anamorphic mode is present, which is exciting as these days manufacturers seem to be ignoring this feature.

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- It does not appear that FI works with 4K HDR 24hz, it's grayed out.

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Is that for 24p 4K HDR material and the PJ set at 60Hz?
Does it work with non HDR/4K 24p material?
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Is that for 24p 4K HDR material and the PJ set at 60Hz?
Does it work with non HDR/4K 24p material?
It appears that FI only works with 1080p and 4K Enhancement must be OFF.

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Anyone discovered manuals for these yet? I'm trying to see if they have anamorphic stretch mode for sure.

*edit* I found it in case anyone else is curious - https://files.support.epson.com/docid/cpd5/cpd57551.pdf . It does state that Anamorphic mode is present, which is exciting as these days manufacturers seem to be ignoring this feature.
I can confirm that the 3800 does have Anamorphic mode in the Aspect Ratio settings.

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I was hoping the contrast was going to be better. Looking to replace my marantz vp4001. May have to step up to the 5050.
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The 3800 is my first projector. I honestly had no idea projectors could be this nice. Bought a 120 inch screen and I'm in Heaven. Wish I could just quit my job now and live on my couch.

One thing though that bothered me was a kind of flickering from light to dark, over and over, very subtle but once I noticed it, it bothered me and I couldn't not notice it any more. I played with some settings and made it go away by changing from ECO to Medium. Is that normal and is there a way to use ECO without that side effect?

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I received the TW7100 (HC3800) today, I have already measured its input lag 1080P and 4K, no surprise it's very good at Epson. The full test will arrive in a few days.


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... One thing though that bothered me was a kind of flickering from light to dark, over and over, very subtle but once I noticed it, it bothered me and I couldn't not notice it any more. I played with some settings and made it go away by changing from ECO to Medium. Is that normal and is there a way to use ECO without that side effect?

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While it could be something else, that description makes it sound like lamp flicker. However, lamp flicker usually develops after a lamp has been run many hours on low lamp setting and is unusual on new lamps. Lamp flicker is often cured by running on high lamp for some hours before switching back to a low lamp setting as described at the following link:

homecinemaguru.com/why-is-my-projector-flickering/
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“ One thing though that bothered me was a kind of flickering from light to dark, over and over, very subtle but once I noticed it, it bothered me and I couldn't not notice it any more. I played with some settings and made it go away by changing from ECO to Medium. Is that normal and is there a way to use ECO without that side effect?

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Run the lamp on normal or high for 10-20 hours. This should stabilize it and be able to run in eco just fine after that.

I just did this on a new lamp I installed in my JVC RS46 and worked liked a charm.
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One thing though that bothered me was a kind of flickering from light to dark, over and over, very subtle but once I noticed it, it bothered me and I couldn't not notice it any more. I played with some settings and made it go away by changing from ECO to Medium. Is that normal and is there a way to use ECO without that side effect?

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Does it happen always regardless of what shown in the movie or at certain transitions?
If it happens when the scene is changing from general dark scene (night) to white scene (day) or vise-versa, it is the effect of the Dynamic-Iris.
The dynamic-iris will control the amount of light in the image by changing the iris size dynamically during the movie.

Try to disable the dynamic iris in the menus and check the same movie sequence and update us with the results
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