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Best 1080p/3D projectors from this gen or last gen

Hi, I have a 2.5m throw distance. I need a projector which can do 1080p/3D.

What are the models I should look out for at a budget.

I've seen W1070s and HD 141xs. I'm not sure which is better and if there are better models which won't cause RBE.

My budget is around £300 maximum for second hand.

any recommendations please?
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Hi, I have a 2.5m throw distance. I need a projector which can do 1080p/3D.

What are the models I should look out for at a budget.

I've seen W1070s and HD 141xs. I'm not sure which is better and if there are better models which won't cause RBE.

My budget is around £300 maximum for second hand.

any recommendations please?
For £300 it's unclear if there is anything.

While the latest DLP models have greatly reduced RBE, the older ones will have it. Have you ever seen a DLP projector?

W1070 and HD141 both are DLP.

Epson's (3LCD) will not have RBE, but can have ghosting.

Epson TW5300/5350/5400.
Try this UK website:
https://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...lassifieds.90/
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For £300 it's unclear if there is anything.

While the latest DLP models have greatly reduced RBE, the older ones will have it. Have you ever seen a DLP projector?

W1070 and HD141 both are DLP.

Epson's (3LCD) will not have RBE, but can have ghosting.

Epson TW5300/5350/5400.
Try this UK website:
https://www.avforums.com/forums/proj...lassifieds.90/


After much research. I was thinking of extending my budget to £350-£500 and trying to find a Sony Hw55ES or Sony HW40es.. do you think that would be the wisest move to get the best PQ or would i be better served with a new PJ?
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After much research. I was thinking of extending my budget to £350-£500 and trying to find a Sony Hw55ES or Sony HW40es.. do you think that would be the wisest move to get the best PQ or would i be better served with a new PJ?
No warranty.
Lamp's ~150$.
Some Sony lamps are prone to flicker.
Ok black's.
Wall reflections must be treated not to wash out the blacks:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

Better PQ than the Epson's mentioned above. The Epson's are brighter, which is better for 3D.
Epson lamps ~70$ or more.
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No warranty.
Lamp's ~150$.
Some Sony lamps are prone to flicker.
Ok black's.
Wall reflections must be treated not to wash out the blacks:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

Better PQ than the Epson's mentioned above. The Epson's are brighter, which is better for 3D.
Epson lamps ~70$ or more.

Thanks. My rooms would have literally no treatment as I'd be projecting it onto a wall (to begin with). Would the Sony still have a better contrast than the epson? I will be fully light controlled.


I can get a HW40ES for £400.

The Epson 3D models seem to hover around the £600-700 range.
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Thanks. My rooms would have literally no treatment as I'd be projecting it onto a wall (to begin with). Would the Sony still have a better contrast than the epson? I will be fully light controlled.


I can get a HW40ES for £400.

The Epson 3D models seem to hover around the £600-700 range.
The wall reflections will reduce the black level and contrast of both projectors, the Sony will not have an advantage.

Sorry I just looked again at the throw range, 250cm.
From that distance both the Sony and the Epson's biggest screen will be 83".
The Sony is less bright, but at that distance will be bright enough.

For a higher diagonal a sort throw projector is needed. I don't believe Epson has these. So DLP only.

How do you know if you will see RBE, have you ever seen a DLP projector?
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The wall reflections will reduce the black level and contrast of both projectors, the Sony will not have an advantage.

Sorry I just looked again at the throw range, 250cm.
From that distance both the Sony and the Epson's biggest screen will be 83".
The Sony is less bright, but at that distance will be bright enough.

For a higher diagonal a sort throw projector is needed. I don't believe Epson has these. So DLP only.

How do you know if you will see RBE, have you ever seen a DLP projector?

Not sure if i'll be sensitive to DLP. the issue is I'm buying these PJs second hand so I can't really take the risk
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if 3D is a must, DLP is superior in that regard.
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Not sure if i'll be sensitive to DLP. the issue is I'm buying these PJs second hand so I can't really take the risk
Why not go see one in a store or at the person who is selling it, if it's close by?

As for what ST DLP models would be ok, there are many options.


LE: the TW5210 is also an option.

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if 3D is a must, DLP is superior in that regard.
3D isn't a huge priority but I definitely do want to watch 3D. Every review I've read stated the HW40 is good at 3D. Have I misread or am i missing something?

Wouldn't the HW40 be superior to the TW5210 tho?

I can get a HW40 for £350-£400. Are there better models I should be looking at? I don't mind paying a bit more if its going to be much better.
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3D isn't a huge priority but I definitely do want to watch 3D. Every review I've read stated the HW40 is good at 3D. Have I misread or am i missing something?

Wouldn't the HW40 be superior to the TW5210 tho?

I can get a HW40 for £350-£400. Are there better models I should be looking at? I don't mind paying a bit more if its going to be much better.
The 3D glasses reduce brightness. A brighter projector will help with that. At 83" the Sony will be bright enough.
Epson's can have ghosting in 3D though.

But are you ok with the 83" in diagonal that the Epson's and Sony can provide? For a larger screen a projector with a shorter throw is required.
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I couldn't identify a decently priced short throw projector.

I've meausred so should be able to squeeze 2.8M throw distance which will give me a 90 inch image.. there or there abouts. Given the dimensions of my room, i think it will do but I'll re-measure to make sure.


The only alternative i can find is HW55ES which seems to be beter than the HW40es but i cant find anyone willing to sell one in the UK used apart from one fella who has dissapeared.

It would be £375 for the HW40ES or £500-600 for the HW55ES... not sure if its worth waiting to see if one does pop up or snapping up the great deal on the HW40.

Also on 3D.. i dont know how 3D works with projectors but all i know is the 40 is missing some form of transmitter??? So what glasses would i need to make it work or do i need to pay more money on something
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Hi, I have a 2.5m throw distance. I need a projector which can do 1080p/3D.

What are the models I should look out for at a budget.

I've seen W1070s and HD 141xs. I'm not sure which is better and if there are better models which won't cause RBE.

My budget is around £300 maximum for second hand.

any recommendations please?
Here's a list of 1080P 3D projectors that are $800 or less and provide at least a 90in diagonal image at 8ft (~2.5m):

https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...=pop&sz=15#top

EU model numbers may vary from the above.

The HD39HDR seems interesting and it's 3D seems highly rated as per the review.

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I couldn't identify a decently priced short throw projector.

I've meausred so should be able to squeeze 2.8M throw distance which will give me a 90 inch image.. there or there abouts. Given the dimensions of my room, i think it will do but I'll re-measure to make sure.


The only alternative i can find is HW55ES which seems to be beter than the HW40es but i cant find anyone willing to sell one in the UK used apart from one fella who has dissapeared.

It would be £375 for the HW40ES or £500-600 for the HW55ES... not sure if its worth waiting to see if one does pop up or snapping up the great deal on the HW40.

Also on 3D.. i dont know how 3D works with projectors but all i know is the 40 is missing some form of transmitter??? So what glasses would i need to make it work or do i need to pay more money on something
The 3D should be the same on both units.

Keep in mind that there have been issues with flickering for Sony lamps:
https://www.google.com/search?ei=pbb...4dUDCAo&uact=5

The HW55 is an upgraded version of the HW40:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/son...tor_review.htm
https://www.projectorreviews.com/son...ter-projector/

For the two Sony's an IR transmitter and a 3D glasses are required.
TMR-PJ2 and TDG-PJ1 respectively.
https://pro.sony/en_GR/products/hd-h...ock-vpl-hw40es
https://pro.sony/en_AR/products/hd-h...ock-vpl-hw55es

Types of 3D on projectors:
http://volfoni.com/en/about-the-usag...-technologies/

DLP link type 3D only requires the 3D glasses, no transmitter.

Here is a list of short throw 1080p DLP projectors:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...0&ltg=&db=#top
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Why not go see one in a store or at the person who is selling it, if it's close by?

As for what ST DLP models would be ok, there are many options.


LE: the TW5210 is also an option.
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Here's a list of 1080P 3D projectors that are $800 or less and provide at least a 90in diagonal image at 8ft (~2.5m):

https://www.projectorcentral.com/pro...=pop&sz=15#top

EU model numbers may vary from the above.

The HD39HDR seems interesting and it's 3D seems highly rated as per the review.
Thanks. the HW40 seems to throw a 90ish inch image from 2.7-2.8 metres which I think I could manage. An important point to note is I actually can only accomdate a maximum of a 90-ish screen in my room at present and bring it too further forwards might hit a light fitting.

I did look at the HD39HDR.. do u think that would be better than the HW40? It was dlp i think so i was a bit like uhh..
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Thanks. the HW40 seems to throw a 90ish inch image from 2.7-2.8 metres which I think I could manage. An important point to note is I actually can only accomdate a maximum of a 90-ish screen in my room at present and bring it too further forwards might hit a light fitting.

I did look at the HD39HDR.. do u think that would be better than the HW40? It was dlp i think so i was a bit like uhh..

DLP are the best for 3D.
The Optoma HD39HDR can accept a HDR signal, the Sony can't.
No transmitter for 3D glasses required for DLP.
Cheaper glasses.

Colors might be better on the Sony.

The Optoma GT1080 variants have a much shorter throw.
The GT1080HDR can also accept a HDR signal.


If you're going to get a DLP why not get the most recommended 1080p DLP, the Benq W1110/1120 (HT2050/2050A)? Maybe used.
It's got better colors than the two Optoma models mentioned above.

It really depends on what you can find, used.
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DLP are the best for 3D.
The Optoma HD39HDR can accept a HDR signal, the Sony can't.
No transmitter for 3D glasses required for DLP.
Cheaper glasses.

Colors might be better on the Sony.

The Optoma GT1080 variants have a much shorter throw.
The GT1080HDR can also accept a HDR signal.


If you're going to get a DLP why not get the most recommended 1080p DLP, the Benq W1110/1120 (HT2050/2050A)? Maybe used.
It's got better colors than the two Optoma models mentioned above.

Thank you boss. I checked the HD39HDR and difficult to get in the UK and also closer to £1000.

The Sony HW40ES I can get for £350.

I'm not sure if its worth going DLP given the price I can get for the second hand Sony (new bulb included I think). What transmitter and glasses would I need for the HW40? Out of interest how does the 3D work?
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The HD39HDR, new, can be returned, if you don't like it. Used projectors, not so much.
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Thank you boss. I checked the HD39HDR and difficult to get in the UK and also closer to £1000.

The Sony HW40ES I can get for £350.

I'm not sure if its worth going DLP given the price I can get for the second hand Sony (new bulb included I think). What transmitter and glasses would I need for the HW40? Out of interest how does the 3D work?
As I mentioned above, you can go see a DLP at a store or somewhere else. You don't have to get the 39HDR, there are many other cheaper new and used DLP projectors.
The 141x mentioned in the first post.

From the reviews the 3D on the Sony is ok.

I mentioned the part numbers for the glasses and transmitter in this post:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post58834732
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The HD39HDR, new, can be returned, if you don't like it. Used projectors, not so much.
Great point. but its way more expensive. (and not available in the uk).
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Great point. but its way more expensive. (and not available in the uk).
You can always pick another new DLP, from the above list (post 13), that meets your throw requirements and still have the option for a return.
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Great point. but its way more expensive. (and not available in the uk).
If you have htpc, I think HW40ES will be the best projector for movies in your price range, especially with madvr that convert HDR to sdr, because colors reproduction & blackness easily surpassed every dlp in your price range.

Read about madvr, maybe this is the key for your answer, I personally enjoying madvr with my HDR projector in disabled mode!!
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The HD39HDR, new, can be returned, if you don't like it. Used projectors, not so much.
Is Amazon a good resource to trial projectors? With the holidays looks like the return policy is longer. I kind of feel bad returning something but I am not sure if I could deal with a projector being my main source of television in the basement
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Is Amazon a good resource to trial projectors? With the holidays looks like the return policy is longer. I kind of feel bad returning something but I am not sure if I could deal with a projector being my main source of television in the basement



Great question. I'm wondering the same thing.
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