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srkmish 12-01-2019 02:31 AM

I bought a 200$ full HD projector from Amazon and I'm never going back to TVs again
 
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I bought a cheap full HD projector (Yaber Y30) and even on projecting it on a white wall in the dark, the picture is clear and crisp. The experience is so much more immersive on a 120 inch screen than a 65 inch. Full HD movies have a lot of detail and the brightness is great. The 720p and less movies look pretty average, even bad sometimes. The setup itself was so simple as well and the remote is quite minimalistic like Samsung TV remotes. I just wanted an experience with a projector to see for myself if I would be able to set it up in a rental apartment with not much space and it has exceeded my expectations. If this is so good, I can't imagine what a vava/optoma p1 with a great ALR screen will do. But this little experiment proved that for me at least, a perfect setup i.e. darkened walls, basement setup, perfect screen etc is not needed.

descalabro 12-01-2019 06:17 AM

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I bought a cheap full HD projector (Yaber Y30) and even on projecting it on a white wall in the dark, the picture is clear and crisp. The experience is so much more immersive on a 120 inch screen than a 65 inch.

Yes, that's the point of having a projector.

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Full HD movies have a lot of detail and the brightness is great. The 720p and less movies look pretty average, even bad sometimes.
Maybe, but the brightness claimed by the manufacturer is still a complete lie. How is the focus uniformity?

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The setup itself was so simple as well and the remote is quite minimalistic like Samsung TV remotes. I just wanted an experience with a projector to see for myself if I would be able to set it up in a rental apartment with not much space and it has exceeded my expectations.
The setup was simple because you have no screen to align the image with. For a projector like that, I wouldn't buy a screen either. A flat and uniformly white wall is hard to come by; sometimes it can be better than a pull-down screen, rarely it is better than a fixed or tensioned screen.

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If this is so good, I can't imagine what a vava/optoma p1 with a great ALR screen will do. But this little experiment proved that for me at least, a perfect setup i.e. darkened walls, basement setup, perfect screen etc is not needed.
A large image is enough to positively impress most people, but the image will look better with a proper setup no matter it's a $200 or a $200.000 projector. Even in a small apartment, in a non-dedicated room, like mine and yours, there's a lot you can do to improve your setup. The only thing this experience has proved is that you're glad with what you have, and that's fine. But I should tell you that for the same price there are used/older projectors that can outperform this one in every aspect except connectivity.

bud16415 12-01-2019 07:18 AM

Over the holiday my nephew brought over information on this projector asking me what I thought. He has an old Optoma not HD and it is on its last legs. They are high users watching all their TV on it and my advice was to spend a little more actually more than a little more as anything even budget 1080p was going to be 2x-3x this price.

We read a lot of the reviews and most were inline with yours. We had a hard time figuring out what the real spec on CR and brightness might be and even things like throw distance and screen size were hard to nail down.

In the end I told him to give it a try if he had the 200 bucks to risk but for me I would go with something like one of the Viewsonic or other WXGA DLPs for about a 100 bucks more as he would know for sure what he was getting. I loved my Viewsonic PJD5555w for the 3 year I was using it and it is still my backup projector.

I haven’t talked to him on what he ordered yet but if he bought the Yaber Y30 I will get to see one first hand soon.

A few years ago PC did a review on all these budget projectors and gave some specs. It might be time for them to do that again.

@srkmish all that is important is that you are liking what you are seeing and you made the first step into FP. Enjoy. :smile:

Dave in Green 12-01-2019 08:06 AM

For many the cheapest LED projectors represent a low-cost entry point into video projection. They're all churned out of the same few factories in China and marketed under dozens of different little known brand names. In the past the highest resolution cheap models have had single native 720p TFT LCD panels with a white LED light source. Recently some have been upgraded to single native 1080p TFT LCD panels, so they are honestly 1080p native resolution and not just "1080p compatible" as misleadingly advertised in the past.

The best of the new native 1080p models can produce decent performance as long as one has realistic expectations for the technology. Single panel TFT LCD with white LED light source is inherently limited in performance and it would be unfair to expect sharp lens quality at such a low price point. They simply can't match the performance of more expensive 3LCD and DLP models from more established global brands as should be expected from such a low price point.

srkmish 12-01-2019 02:01 PM

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Recently some have been upgraded to single native 1080p TFT LCD panels, so they are honestly 1080p native resolution and not just "1080p compatible" as misleadingly advertised in the past.

The best of the new native 1080p models can produce decent performance as long as one has realistic expectations for the technology. Single panel TFT LCD with white LED light source is inherently limited in performance and it would be unfair to expect sharp lens quality at such a low price point. They simply can't match the performance of more expensive 3LCD and DLP models from more established global brands as should be expected from such a low price point.

Yes. But even with these limitations, the quality produced with a good 1080p source with this projector is superb. I felt like I was at the movies. I can't wait to get one of those Optoma P1s or Vava to see how much better the content will look like.

srkmish 12-01-2019 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by descalabro (Post 58897150)

A large image is enough to positively impress most people, but the image will look better with a proper setup no matter it's a $200 or a $200.000 projector. Even in a small apartment, in a non-dedicated room, like mine and yours, there's a lot you can do to improve your setup. The only thing this experience has proved is that you're glad with what you have, and that's fine. But I should tell you that for the same price there are used/older projectors that can outperform this one in every aspect except connectivity.

Can you help get me started on what else I need to keep in mind regarding a proper setup in a small apartment with white walls? I am already planning to buy the Optoma P1 with a good ALR Screen.

descalabro 12-01-2019 04:38 PM

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Can you help get me started on what else I need to keep in mind regarding a proper setup in a small apartment with white walls? I am already planning to buy the Optoma P1 with a good ALR Screen.

If you mean help on darkening the room, I can help you with tips on how to make a cheap semi-dedicated room which will still be usable as a living room. However, if you're planning to invest in an ALR screen instead of darkening the room, then I can't help you as I have no experience with such screens.

Here are some photos of my small apartment room (there's remodelling and decoration to do, but you get the point). The greatest effort was making the ceiling. Excuse me for the poor quality of the pics.

klas 12-01-2019 06:02 PM

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Can you help get me started on what else I need to keep in mind regarding a proper setup in a small apartment with white walls? I am already planning to buy the Optoma P1 with a good ALR Screen.

If you are going with P1 UST then you need to keep in mind that anything larger then 100" size (120") will require ~30" of distance from the wall to the front of the unit and very low to the ground (I have my UST 3" above the floor for comfortable 120" height). For 100" though you could make it work on most TV stands.

wheelee 12-01-2019 07:49 PM

I can't forget the day I saw a Film on projector just projected on a plain white wall & I was WOW!


well my impression with projectors before where like the ones they have in the office, that although it was huge there was no wow factor!
all that changed when I saw my friends DLP projector projecting a movie @ 100"!
Yes no pj can compete with those OLED's now but every time I see a movie on a 55" - mmm too small, once you've been bitten by that Cinematic Experience in your own room, your bound to want more upgrades! saving for a laser & hoping 2020 will get some good deals :D

coderguy 12-01-2019 09:28 PM

You could do so much better with a $201 projector, only kidding.
Best to stick to the namebrands kiddies, go used if that's your budget.

JVC's are somewhat competitive to oLED, though compete is subjective.
They won't have as high of ANSI contrast, but they can do really dark scenes very dark in some cases, especially if the DI is set in an aggressive mode.

srkmish 12-01-2019 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelee (Post 58900378)
I can't forget the day I saw a Film on projector just projected on a plain white wall & I was WOW!


well my impression with projectors before where like the ones they have in the office, that although it was huge there was no wow factor!
all that changed when I saw my friends DLP projector projecting a movie @ 100"!
Yes no pj can compete with those OLED's now but every time I see a movie on a 55" - mmm too small, once you've been bitten by that Cinematic Experience in your own room, your bound to want more upgrades! saving for a laser & hoping 2020 will get some good deals :D

Exactly! The same feeling. And these 'cheap' projectors in 2019 have improved by leaps and bounds. I remember renting projectors from library in 2016, the epson wxga ones and they were 480p and too dark. I still don't believe the brightness and sharpness of my new projector.

wheelee 12-02-2019 12:03 AM

^ & that's just a single LCD pj, wait till you upgrade to a 3xLCD or DLP projector with decent specs, you'll be more into that Cinematic Experience.


Some here are saying "that" or even a UST pj is not a True HT system, I guess those guys are really the pick of the crop who really nitpick on every detail & installation, BUT for the general public & kids, they could go by with such setups coupled with a good sound system & your ready to go! :D

wheelee 12-02-2019 08:54 AM

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....and just got one for my friends kids @ less than $100 & I bet those Kids (or maybe even the parents) won't mind this non-dedicated HT single LCD @ LED PJ :D
white wall besides a 27" monitor.

Dave in Green 12-02-2019 09:54 AM

I agree that AVS Forum members have a generally higher average standard for video projection image quality than the general public or little kids might have. The same applies to all products where some people are satisfied with minimal performance at lower cost while others are more demanding and willing and able to pay more. It's all about perspective, and the discussions here bring out many different perspectives that will suit different personal preferences. As long as everyone finds their own personal sweet spot where they are satisfied with the performance they're getting from the money they've spent then all is well. :)

srkmish 12-02-2019 05:39 PM

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....and just got one for my friends kids @ less than $100 & I bet those Kids (or maybe even the parents) won't mind this non-dedicated HT single LCD @ LED PJ :D
white wall besides a 27" monitor.


That actually looks beautiful. I won't mind watching movies on that.

Stephen Hopkins 12-04-2019 10:56 AM

I have an inexpensive 1080p model in this class (Anker Nebula Prizm II) that I use outdoors on a 120" vinyl screen. For the purpose, it does the job well enough at a good price and in a small form factor. Before that I was using an Epson HC3000 (which is now making its way into my brother's theater) which was leaps and bounds better in all regards, but once it was dark outside and the kids were into the movie it didn't really matter. That said, if I had to choose between this $180 projector or a $200 Black-Friday 65" TV for daily use indoors, I'd probably go with the TV. Light control is a must with these cheap projectors because of the low brightness (we could watch the Epson comfortably an hour earlier than the Anker outdoors), color saturation is passable but nowhere near ideal, and SDE is quite noticeable. That said, it's probably not all that different from the Quarter-HD Panasonic projector I started out with 15 years ago, so I won't knock anyone for enjoying the emersion factor either.

Dave in Green 12-04-2019 12:02 PM

@Stephen Hopkins , at least Anker deserves credit for realistic lumen claims as they rate the Nebula Prizm II at a believable 200 lumens. That's a realistic number for these single panel TFT LCD models with white LED light sources that typically have a total maximum power consumption of ~100W.

Stephen Hopkins 12-04-2019 01:13 PM

Sure, I definitely knew what to expect and figured it would work fine for the intended application. Amazon return policy helps too...

bud16415 12-05-2019 09:31 AM

If I was looking for a budget basement projector right now I would buy the Viewsonic PA 503W RGBCYW DLP projector rated at 3600 lumens that I would expect to provide around 800 lumens of very good color brightness in its most color accurate mode and my guess would be it would be a very nice image evoking a little of the CYW light up to about 1200 lumens. It is a WXGA projector and the cons of a little less resolution would far outweigh the lower lumens of a single panel LCD not to mention the crisp .65” DMD DLP image. .

Right now comparing prices only there is only $40 difference. :)

wheelee 12-05-2019 08:26 PM

^ that still uses Lamp right?
BTW the actual price of the one I got was $45 with free HDMI cable & 3 Anaglyph 3D glasses :D
can't beat shopping here in the middle kingdom

bud16415 12-06-2019 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wheelee (Post 58920756)
^ that still uses Lamp right?
BTW the actual price of the one I got was $45 with free HDMI cable & 3 Anaglyph 3D glasses :D
can't beat shopping here in the middle kingdom

Yes conventional lamp DLP projector. No one will beat your price :D. Of course I was comparing prices in the USofA market.

coderguy 12-07-2019 10:56 PM

I would buy a used DLP in that price range, but $200 is difficult, $300 is easier.


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