Originally Posted by Luminated67
is it ever likely that things will improve or is it an issue with the design that ultimately limits what can be done?
The Zeiss Velvet 10-15 years ago was what, a couple million? 10 years later the Eclipse is a couple hundred thousand, give it another 10 years xD
Really we have alot of different technologies available to us that provide amazing video quality at affordable prices and fit different usages. LCOS, DLP, QLED, OLED, even just budget VA panels are impressive for the size, price and picture. Im not that old... but Im old enough to have had spent years with vhs and 15" tv/vcr combos, so I can really appreciate that you can buy a 2160p 42" tv for $200.
If and when 2chip or 2 tir prism rgb laser dlp hits affordable prices it would completely dominate the projection market, how could it not? best contrast best color best pixel performance, the only marketing variable would be price and power consumption. At that point it could start impacting emissive display sales as content actually mastered at bt2020 can only be rendered by rgb laser. Think about it, you only need 500w to produce 300 nits on a 100" 1.0 gain screen with 100% color brightness and a native bt2020 gamut. That's insane.
Originally Posted by Luminated67
Now if you are telling me there’s a DLP out there with similar levels of blacks then I seriously think I need to check them out.
You wanna talk about high contrast dlp, this Mico 40s black level looks like 15k dynamic on/off and 10k at 1%, and with the color ability it is a very high contrast machine. The dynamic dimming is almost imperceptible, no pumping, no stepping, no flashing/shifting, little to no clipping, the full led shut off is effective for certain transitions, less so for others that dance in and out of full black and low low apl. Red hits bt2020, greens between p3 and rec2020. Color rendering is perfect, motion is perfect, sharpness and detail are perfect, low level detail and especially with fast motion, uniformity is perfect, mid/high apl contrast is perfect hell low apl is excellent except for black being pure black, stunning stunning picture, dimensional and defined, the light engine just enables perfect video rendering, its astounding. And very bright even at ~600 lumens, too bright on my 92" .7-.8 gain screen for sdr(having to turn contrast down quite a bit at the moment) a very nice brightness in the native gamut for hdr though). Only pulls 100-250w and doesnt dump a bunch of heat into the room.
Of course theres always a caution with buying old heavy equipment. But being that it was recently serviced and I live 45min north of sim2 in fl I felt comfortable. Plus the closest dolby vision theater to me is 5min from sim2 if I have to go down there. ;]
Originally Posted by coderguy
LCOS continues to get sharper and sharper, the new Native 4k LCOS are really sharp and close to an average or just below average DLP projector in sharpness. They still aren't as sharp as the sharpest of the sharp, though it's not JUST because of the 3-chip issue.
Its not just sharpness though, theres pixel level performance that no other technology can replicate. D-ila is very impressive for liquid crystal, being digitally driven inorganic and refreshed at 96-120hz, but you still have a drastically slower response time, velocity overshoots, etc. Oled simply cant be used in projection and even then still suffers from overshooting despite a much faster response time.
And even sharpness isnt just a matter of resolution and convergence, pixel response, mtf(grayscale/gamma), ansi contrast(haloing/highlights), color depth/solarizations, pixel fill(goes to lcos), all contribute to how sharp the image is perceived to be. An emissive lcd panel has a very high ansi contrast but the second things start moving sharpness smears.
If Im incorrect on dilas low level fast motion performance I would appreciate being corrected, they have processing compensation(color signal difference enhancer), but I havent heard of any lcd imager overcoming this yet(overshoots, as well as overall pixel response over 2-3ms).