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Epson 4010 vs 5050UB

Hello Guys,

I haven't been on here in a little while, but luckily i have a reason to be back.

I am moving to a new place and have a huge basement that seems ideal for a projector setup.

So I decided to get my first projector setup.

The room is 11" x 24" with good light control ( a few windows with blinds )

I will be using my Nvidia Shield as the primary source of content

The projector will be used for the following: Mainly movies/tv, some sports & very limited gaming.

My main focus is to get the best bang for the buck in the $1500-$3000 range (CAD $)

After reviewing many reviews - I have narrowed my search to two projectors: the Epson 4010 and the Epson 5050UB.

-Epson 4010 - $1300CAD
-Epson 5050UB - $3300CAD

Ideally I wanted the 5050UB for the 4k/60 capability, 2600 lumens, better contrast ratio...

But since I want to stretch my budget I'm wondering if the difference is worth it?

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The two main differences between these projectors are blacks levels/contrast ratio and the ability to do full fat 18Gbps for 4K HDR at 60Hz. So if you are a game or stream from the likes of Netflix etc you might want the 5050ub plus it’s blacks are far superior but only if the room’s conditions by this I might dark matt/non reflective walls/ceiling and floor.

If only watch movies and have light/white walls/ceiling then the cheaper option might be best.

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Hello Guys,

I haven't been on here in a little while, but luckily i have a reason to be back.

I am moving to a new place and have a huge basement that seems ideal for a projector setup.

So I decided to get my first projector setup.

The room is 11" x 24" with good light control ( a few windows with blinds )

I will be using my Nvidia Shield as the primary source of content

The projector will be used for the following: Mainly movies/tv, some sports & very limited gaming.

My main focus is to get the best bang for the buck in the $1500-$3000 range (CAD $)

After reviewing many reviews - I have narrowed my search to two projectors: the Epson 4010 and the Epson 5050UB.

-Epson 4010 - $1300CAD
-Epson 5050UB - $3300CAD

Ideally I wanted the 5050UB for the 4k/60 capability, 2600 lumens, better contrast ratio...

But since I want to stretch my budget I'm wondering if the difference is worth it?
What color are the walls?

If the room is or can be treated the 5050UB is worth it. It also has a 18GB HDMI.

The HC4010 has a 10GB HDMI, which means no 4K 60Hz HDR, 30Hz at the most. The bit depth has to be lowered from 10bit to 8 to fit in the 10GB bandwidth. While this is mainly for gaming, some boxes/streaming services require 60Hz.
A PC/NV shield can do it, or an external box such as HDFurly Linker.

Additionally, the HDR tone mapping on these projectors can be improved with a Panasonic 420/820/900 (last two have Dolby Vision support).

If you want to keep the budget down, get a refurbished 5040UB. Directly from Epson with warranty. It has a 10GB HDMI.
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What color are the walls?

If the room is or can be treated the 5050UB is worth it. It also has a 18GB HDMI.

The HC4010 has a 10GB HDMI, which means no 4K 60Hz HDR, 30Hz at the most. The bit depth has to be lowered from 10bit to 8 to fit in the 10GB bandwidth. While this is mainly for gaming, some boxes/streaming services require 60Hz.
A PC/NV shield can do it, or an external box such as HDFurly Linker.

Additionally, the HDR tone mapping on these projectors can be improved with a Panasonic 420/820/900 (last two have Dolby Vision support).

If you want to keep the budget down, get a refurbished 5040UB. Directly from Epson with warranty. It has a 10GB HDMI.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...-151-00-a.html
Would the 5040 be much better than the 4010? since they are both limited to 10GB HDMI?

I have the possibility to paint the walls, but i dont really want to go all black...
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The two main differences between these projectors are blacks levels/contrast ratio and the ability to do full fat 18Gbps for 4K HDR at 60Hz. So if you are a game or stream from the likes of Netflix etc you might want the 5050ub plus it’s blacks are far superior but only if the room’s conditions by this I might dark matt/non reflective walls/ceiling and floor.

If only watch movies and have light/white walls/ceiling then the cheaper option might be best.

I can paint the walls and control light... but currently the ceiling is white.

Also forgot to mention I want to run my current setup for audio which includes: Onkyo NR-709 with 5.1 setup
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Would the 5040 be much better than the 4010? since they are both limited to 10GB HDMI?

I have the possibility to paint the walls, but i dont really want to go all black...
The 5xxxUB series is the HC4xxx series with substantially better blacks/contrast.

White/colored walls will affect the black level/contrast of the HC4xxx series, not to mention 5xxxUB.
Example:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

The article that goes with the video:
https://projectiondream.com/en/contr...r-environment/

In the article one projector tested is the W1070 which has roughly the same contrast as the HC4xxx series. The TW9200 (non NA name of the 5030UB) is similar to the 5040UB.
Both of them are affected.

Dark paint will do fine. Treating the area close to the screen (walls, ceiling, floor, screen) is the best.
Here is a thread with instruction on what kind of paint is ok: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/15-ge...vs-velvet.html


As for the white ceiling, how far away is it, from the screen?

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The 5xxxUB series is the HC4xxx series with substantially better blacks/contrast.

White/colored walls will affect the black level/contrast of the HC4xxx series, not to mention 5xxxUB.
Example:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

The article that goes with the video:
https://projectiondream.com/en/contr...r-environment/

In the article one projector tested is the W1070 which has roughly the same contrast as the HC4xxx series. The TW9200 (non NA name of the 5030UB) is similar to the 5040UB.
Both of them are affected.

Dark paint will do fine. Treating the area close to the screen (walls, ceiling, floor, screen) is the best.
Here is a thread with instruction on what kind of paint is ok: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/15-ge...vs-velvet.html


As for the white ceiling, how far away is it, from the screen?
well technically the white ceiling is on top of the screen.

I was planning to repaint the room so maybe I could make one side of the room greyish to help with the projector setup.

I'll get you guys a picture of the room soon.

Speaking of screens... I was planning to buy a high contrast screen from Silver ticket like this one:

https://www.silverticketproducts.com..._high-contrast

What do you guys think?

How much would I suffer with 4k/30 or 4k/24 using the shield? the price gap between the 2 projectors is really big.
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well technically the white ceiling is on top of the screen.

I was planning to repaint the room so maybe I could make one side of the room greyish to help with the projector setup.

I'll get you guys a picture of the room soon.

Speaking of screens... I was planning to buy a high contrast screen from Silver ticket like this one:

https://www.silverticketproducts.com..._high-contrast

What do you guys think?

How much would I suffer with 4k/30 or 4k/24 using the shield? the price gap between the 2 projectors is really big.
Again, the difference between the HC4xxx series and 5xxxUB series is in the black level/contrast.

When dropping the bit depth from 10 bit to 8 in order to make use of 4K 60Hz HDR (for whatever reason) on projectors with 10GB HDMI there is an increase of likelihood of banding, although I haven't seen any complaints.

If the ceiling is going to be treated go with a white screen. It's the best solution.
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The 5050UB is a massive step up from the 4010, absolutely worth the extra cost.
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Hello Guys,

I haven't been on here in a little while, but luckily i have a reason to be back.

I am moving to a new place and have a huge basement that seems ideal for a projector setup.

So I decided to get my first projector setup.

The room is 11" x 24" with good light control ( a few windows with blinds )

I will be using my Nvidia Shield as the primary source of content

The projector will be used for the following: Mainly movies/tv, some sports & very limited gaming.

My main focus is to get the best bang for the buck in the $1500-$3000 range (CAD $)

After reviewing many reviews - I have narrowed my search to two projectors: the Epson 4010 and the Epson 5050UB.

-Epson 4010 - $1300CAD
-Epson 5050UB - $3300CAD

Ideally I wanted the 5050UB for the 4k/60 capability, 2600 lumens, better contrast ratio...

But since I want to stretch my budget I'm wondering if the difference is worth it?

Right there to pull the trigger on a projector as well for a dedicated theatre room.

The reviews on the 5050UB are VERY good!

I'd PM you, but can't per the site rules. Need more posts...
Where you from in Canada? That's a great price!!
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Right there to pull the trigger on a projector as well for a dedicated theatre room.



The reviews on the 5050UB are VERY good!



I'd PM you, but can't per the site rules. Need more posts...

Where you from in Canada? That's a great price!!


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Hey guys,

Apologies, unfortunately i cant reply to PM.

I have a friend who gets discounts with Staples, so its $1300 ($1700 - his discount)+tx = ~$1500

I've watched soooo many reviews and everyone seems to say that the 5050UB is quite a bit better, however the price difference in the US seems to be far smaller than in Canada.

In Canada I can only find the 5050 for 3300+tx = ~$3800

Its hard to justify 2.5x the price for me.

Any additional feedback would be appreciated cheers!
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Hey guys,

Apologies, unfortunately i cant reply to PM.

I have a friend who gets discounts with Staples, so its $1300 ($1700 - his discount)+tx = ~$1500

I've watched soooo many reviews and everyone seems to say that the 5050UB is quite a bit better, however the price difference in the US seems to be far smaller than in Canada.

In Canada I can only find the 5050 for 3300+tx = ~$3800

Its hard to justify 2.5x the price for me.

Any additional feedback would be appreciated cheers!
Refurbished 5040UB from Epson:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/199-f...-151-00-a.html
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Refurbished 5040UB from Epson:
I've been looking at that for a couple of weeks now. It in stock, it's out of stock, it;s in stock, it's out of stock. It pretty much looks like a daily occurrence.

They also specify that there are no returns unless it's defective?! Being a refurb... I guess it's already been defective once.
I'd love to save a bit of $$, but I'm not too interested in messing around with something that may give trouble and be returnable.
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Hey guys,

Apologies, unfortunately i cant reply to PM.

I have a friend who gets discounts with Staples, so its $1300 ($1700 - his discount)+tx = ~$1500

I've watched soooo many reviews and everyone seems to say that the 5050UB is quite a bit better, however the price difference in the US seems to be far smaller than in Canada.

In Canada I can only find the 5050 for 3300+tx = ~$3800

Its hard to justify 2.5x the price for me.

Any additional feedback would be appreciated cheers!
Can I ask where you found the 5050UB for @ that price?!
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I've been looking at that for a couple of weeks now. It in stock, it's out of stock, it;s in stock, it's out of stock. It pretty much looks like a daily occurrence.

They also specify that there are no returns unless it's defective?! Being a refurb... I guess it's already been defective once.
I'd love to save a bit of $$, but I'm not too interested in messing around with something that may give trouble and be returnable.
They come with warranty.

The fact that they're selling like hotcakes should tell you something about the value/$.
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They come with warranty.

The fact that they're selling like hotcakes should tell you something about the value/$.
Absolutely, a 42% reduction sounds GREAT!!!... but it also makes me wonder why there are so many of them 'refurbished' to begin with?!
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Absolutely, a 42% reduction sounds GREAT!!!... but it also makes me wonder why there are so many of them 'refurbished' to begin with?!
after alll my research recently, they seem to have chronic power supply failures.

Heres the link for 5050UB in Canada:

https://www.eastporters.com/product/epson-5050ub/

I msged them and they said they be able to drop an extra 100$

Hope it helps!
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Absolutely, a 42% reduction sounds GREAT!!!... but it also makes me wonder why there are so many of them 'refurbished' to begin with?!
The Epson 5xxxUB series is a very popular projector. Just as with the 5050UB, it provides contrast/blacks, is bright, motorized lens, at a price point where features are not available.

At that price it's a steal.

What projector company doesn't sell refurbished products?
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after alll my research recently, they seem to have chronic power supply failures.

Heres the link for 5050UB in Canada:

https://www.eastporters.com/product/epson-5050ub/

I msged them and they said they be able to drop an extra 100$

Hope it helps!
Thanks for the heads up! I will check in with them as well.
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Apologies, unfortunately i cant reply to PM.



I have a friend who gets discounts with Staples, so its $1300 ($1700 - his discount)+tx = ~$1500



I've watched soooo many reviews and everyone seems to say that the 5050UB is quite a bit better, however the price difference in the US seems to be far smaller than in Canada.



In Canada I can only find the 5050 for 3300+tx = ~$3800



Its hard to justify 2.5x the price for me.



Any additional feedback would be appreciated cheers!


At that price, I’d go for the 4010. Safer choice than the 5040 and the $2000 savings now will probably get you the 5050 in a year or two when they drop in price or show up on the refurb deals. IMO $1300 new for 4010 is just a great deal!


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I can paint the walls and control light... but currently the ceiling is white.

Also forgot to mention I want to run my current setup for audio which includes: Onkyo NR-709 with 5.1 setup
What's the rough price difference between the 4010 and refurbed 5040?

You don't have to go completely black to see an improvement but obviously the dark the colour the better and unfortunately this includes the ceiling, in my case where the ceiling is in close to the scree switching to the black velour made a world of difference. Every projector benefits from these things but those with better contrast obviously benefit the most so whilst you will see a difference doing the above with the 4010 the improvement will be greater with the 5040 and by all accounts the contrast/blacks on the 5040 are very similar to those of the 5050.

Another alternative is instead of buying a screen you could project the image on to a smooth wall, spraying the entire wall with dedicated screen paint from the likes of @MississippiMan will get you better blacks on both machines and possibly allow you to also watch with some light in the room. Think of it as a feature wall that is so trendy these days only in this occasion you are using it for a purpose.

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