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Optoma Announces 1080p HDR Projectors: GT1090HDR (Laser), HZ39HDR (Laser) & HD28HDR

Optoma has announced three new 4K & HDR-compatible 1080p projectors, including two models that sport bright laser light sources & support 3D.

The GT1090HDR ($1399) offer 4200 lumens output and a short throw ratio of 0.5:1 so you can set it up on a coffee table and get a big picture. The laser light sources good for 30,000 hours in Eco mode. This model includes HDMI 2.0 input as well as VGA.

With Optoma's HZ39HDR ($1199) you get essentially the same feature set as the GT1090HDR in a traditional long-throw projector featuring a 1.3X optical zoom lens. This projector advertises 4000 lumens output and covers the rec.709 gamut.

Gamers will enjoy support for 1080p at 120 Hz with 8ms input lag when a forthcoming firmware update rolls out (Q2 2020).

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Optoma GT1090HDR and HZ39HDR additional specifications:

● Dimensions: 13.26” x 4.8” x 10.5”

● Resolution: 1080p (1920 x 1080)

● Brightness: GT1090HDR: 4,200 lumens; HZ39HDR: 4,000 lumens

● Contrast Ratio: 300,000:1 with Extreme Black enabled

● 4K UHD input with HDMI 2.0

● Light Source: DuraCore Laser

● Light Source Life: Up to 30,000 hours of operation in Eco mode

● Audio: 2 x 10W speakers

● Blu-Ray 3D support

● Enhanced Gaming Mode - 16ms at 1080p 60Hz & 8ms at 1080p 120Hz (Firmware update available early Q2)

● The two laser models support Blu-ray 3D with DLP Link at 144 Hz

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All three of these projectors support 4K UHD input, despite being 1080p devices.

HD28HDR for Gamers

If you're willing to live with a bulb-based 1080p projector and want something that's good for gaming in 1080p, the HD28HDR ($649) touts 3600 lumens output, a 120 Hz refresh rate and 8.4ms input lag. It even has a Game Display Mode that lifts the shadows that you can see enemies lurking in the dark.

"Optoma’s market leadership in the consumer home theater sector is largely due to its ability to design projectors that leverage the latest innovations and technologies to deliver the high quality entertainment experiences consumers are seeking,” said Maria Repole, head of marketing, Optoma Technology, Inc. “As our first laser gaming projectors, the Optoma GT1090HDR and Optoma HZ39HDR raise the bar on projection and gaming performance, providing users with best in class picture quality and gaming action.”

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Wow! The GT090HDR is the first laser projector with a VESA 3D port, allowing for optional RF glasses.
DLP-Link is good (*), but having choices is even better. And as one who owns a LOT of RF glasses, who like re-buying 3-D glasses?
Had been considering other options, but may end up going with Optoma.


(*) Someone at this point always chimes in and says "So what's wrong with DLP-Link?" if that's what you're using, that's fine, and having previously used it myself can attest it's very serviceable. But after comparing both, RF is the way to go. A VESA port allows both options.
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Wow! The GT090HDR is the first laser projector with a VESA 3D port, allowing for optional RF glasses.
DLP-Link is good (*), but having choices is even better. And as one who owns a LOT of RF glasses, who like re-buying 3-D glasses?
Had been considering other options, but may end up going with Optoma.


(*) Someone at this point always chimes in and says "So what's wrong with DLP-Link?" if that's what you're using, that's fine, and having previously used it myself can attest it's very serviceable. But after comparing both, RF is the way to go. A VESA port allows both options.
Cool. So what are the advantages over DLPlink? Does It make the imaage bright? Does It Improve the 3D effect? Does It improve the color saturation? I'm gonna hope that at least one of these new projectors isn't white. Just checked and all of them are white. I'm also mildly curious about the fact that all of them are not 4k.

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for some people the color/hdr is more important than Resolution and so they rather save on the expense that way and honestly sometimes I have people who come over saying omg the 4k image on your projector is amazing and Im like thanks its 1080p lol... and thats on a 135inch screen lol. I mean yeah you lose very fine details but I think everything else you gain makes a more dramatic difference. But yeah I may look into these to replace my w1500 since there really isnt any 4k models that have the throw that I need and at least I gain those other benefits. So we will see.

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for some people the color/hdr is more important than Resolution and so they rather save on the expense that way and honestly sometimes I have people who come over saying omg the 4k image on your projector is amazing and Im like thanks its 1080p lol... and thats on a 135inch screen lol. I mean yeah you lose very fine details but I think everything else you gain makes a more dramatic difference. But yeah I may look into these to replace my w1500 since there really isnt any 4k models that have the throw that I need and at least I gain those other benefits. So we will see.
It's absolutely true that with streaming, all you need is for projector to accept the 4K signal and do some good downscaling, and you still get the advantage of HDR and the higher bandwidth.

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I was almost ready to place the order for gt1080hdr when I saw this post, and I am confused now. It's almost 2x the price of gt1080hdr (amazon US).I see gt1090 has some great specs. But as per their website:

Contrast: 300,000:1 (Extreme Black enabled) 1,800:1 full on/full off (gt1090hdr)
Contrast: 50,000:1 (gt1080hdr)

Any idea of the performance of 'Extreme Black' feature that would give such high contrast instead of just 1,800:1. Need some help.
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I was almost ready to place the order for gt1080hdr when I saw this post, and I am confused now. It's almost 2x the price of gt1080hdr (amazon US).I see gt1090 has some great specs. But as per their website:

Contrast: 300,000:1 (Extreme Black enabled) 1,800:1 full on/full off (gt1090hdr)
Contrast: 50,000:1 (gt1080hdr)

Any idea of the performance of 'Extreme Black' feature that would give such high contrast instead of just 1,800:1. Need some help.
Extreme Black is probably another term for "Dynamic Black" where the lamp or laser output is modulated in brightness according to scene content and this helps increase dynamic contrast considerably. Extreme Back probably allows the laser to nearly turn off during when extremely dim content is displayed.
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Cool. So what are the advantages over DLPlink? Does It make the imaage bright? Does It Improve the 3D effect? Does It improve the color saturation? I'm gonna hope that at least one of these new projectors isn't white. Just checked and all of them are white. I'm also mildly curious about the fact that all of them are not 4k.
DLP-Link uses an integrated flash (originally a white insert flash (*) with older 3D projectors but later models moved to a red flash) to provide a sync signal to the glasses. This additional sync flash slightly tints / washes out the perceived onscreen image, but part of the DLP-Link system ensures the glasses are in the closed mode during the sync flash cycle. Meaning there's no tinting or washing out of the image when wearing the DLP link glasses.

(*) The decision to go from a white to red sync flash was smart, as there were times when an almost all white scene could confuse my DLP link glasses and cause them to loose sync. The red flash sync flash in newer projectors would require an exact red frequency scene to cause that same type of sync issue, and should in theory be extremely rare.

RF glasses use radio frequency to lock sync to the 3-D glasses, so the on-screen image has no sync flash insert added. RF glasses are always locked and unlike IR or DLP link, is almost impossible to trip up. DLP-Link is pretty good but on a few occasions I've had stray light sources cause some issues.

Many RF emitters have tuning modes where one can tweak on the sync reference if needed. That's great if you buy a new projector and even a different model, or going from DLP to LCD or vise versa, it often can be possible to simply move the RF emitter & assorted glasses from one projector to the next.

Because RF doesn't alter, tint or wash out the on screen image in any way, if one has content that is mixed 2-D and 3-D (The Mask 1961, Spy Kids 3 and Spy Kids 4, Tron Legacy, etc) if one wanted to take off their 3-D glasses during an extended 2-D sequence, they can do so and see a normal 2-D image.

A VESA sync output not only allows for RF glasses but other possibilities as well, including the older IR glasses or for elaborate set-ups such as polarized 3-D with an electronic z-screen filter and silver screen.

DLP-Link is TI's way of at least getting 3-D in under the radar and doesn't take much to implement. And that's great as if it gets some manufactures to include 3-D in model in at least this mode at a minimum.

But a VESA 3-D sync port provides one with more options if they are so inclined, including the use of an optional emitter with RF 3-D glasses.
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Hate to derail the thread even more but at least it's somewhat relevant ie 3d glasses types.

Being the odd-man-out that tries to avoid wireless signals especially close to my brain, DLP-link gets a point. The rf/bluetooth glasses are right over your eyes and with the 2045 I had for a couple weeks you could not turn off that signal even with 3d disabled.

Also, another point for dlp-link is the actual glasses. There are way more options and they are just better designed than rf glasses. I have 4 different types of dlp-link glasses, and they are all better than the 3 different rf ones I've purchased so far for my new (to me) 5040ub. I scoured for the best reviewed ones even, but one big problem is the lenses are tiny... also, the comfort just isn't there. Now I ordered the official epson ones to arrive from China in a month or so. Hopefully those fare better!

To expand on a negative of dlp-link, all of them worked great on my w1070. When I upgraded to the ht3050, though, every pair started having sync issues during bright white scenes (some less than others). This was super annoying, but it seems like only a few people were experiencing this with that generation of Benq's. That is something I don't miss one bit with the RFs on the Epson.

A negative for RF might be that it doesn't flicker as fast as dlp-link. That is really more of a question though. It may be more of a projector thing, because I am sensitive and notice it a little on the 5040ub. I never noticed it on my previous dlps that advertised 144 hz 3d.

Otherwise, I agree with the others who have added their two cents on the matter.
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The Optoma datasheet shows a .65 DMD for the GT1090. Nice!
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No lens shift... strange. Well I'm out.
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I am interested in the HZ39HDR as a secondary projector for tv and sports in my dedicated theater. I have a jvc rs3000 for movies and CinemaScope content. This projector may fit the bill for watching tv with the lights on in my theater. The throw just barely works for me. The price on A is alot more than msrp however.

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I was almost ready to place the order for gt1080hdr when I saw this post, and I am confused now. It's almost 2x the price of gt1080hdr (amazon US).I see gt1090 has some great specs. But as per their website:

Contrast: 300,000:1 (Extreme Black enabled) 1,800:1 full on/full off (gt1090hdr)
Contrast: 50,000:1 (gt1080hdr)

Any idea of the performance of 'Extreme Black' feature that would give such high contrast instead of just 1,800:1. Need some help.
GT1090 has a laser light source vs the lamp on the GT1080HDR, also a bigger DMD, too, hence the higher price.
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GT1090 has a laser light source vs the lamp on the GT1080HDR, also a bigger DMD, too, hence the higher price.
GT1080HDR is listed as having a .65 DMD
https://www.optoma.com/us/product/gt1080hdr/
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GT1080HDR is listed as having a .65 DMD
https://www.optoma.com/us/product/gt1080hdr/
You are correct, I am getting my products mixed up.
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No lens shift... strange. Well I'm out.
It shows horizontal and vertical image shift options in the HZ39HDR user manual, however the specs list nothing of it. The manual does not state the actual measured variances, only a 0-100 setting for both, with default being zero.
https://www.optoma.com/us/wp-content...HZ39HDR-UM.pdf

I would like to know if it does indeed have lens shift and how much.
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It shows horizontal and vertical image shift options in the HZ39HDR user manual, however the specs list nothing of it. The manual does not state the actual measured variances, only a 0-100 setting for both, with default being zero.
https://www.optoma.com/us/wp-content...HZ39HDR-UM.pdf

I would like to know if it does indeed have lens shift and how much.
It doesn't have lens shift.
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It doesn't have lens shift.
@Tuan Besides the gaming mode does the HZ39HDR have any other features over the ZH403?

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didn't read the details, but is HD28R going to support 3D?

i really wished newer projectors had RF emitter built-in like the Epsons.

you can no longer purchase the old stuff even on ebay anymore

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didn't read the details, but is HD28R going to support 3D?

i really wished newer projectors had RF emitter built-in like the Epsons.

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According to the Optoma data sheet linked on projectorcentral...the HD28R will only be DLP Link 3d compatible.
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Are there any plans for a UST version of the GT1090, that is, a laser 1080p that can take a 4K HDR signal with low input lag but in UST flavor? A GT5700 perhaps?
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All 3 are DLP projectors I assume? there is no mention of what projection tech used, just the DLP link mention. DLP means virtually non existent lens shift, and that makes them very hard to integrate into existing setups.
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All 3 are DLP projectors I assume? there is no mention of what projection tech used, just the DLP link mention. DLP means virtually non existent lens shift, and that makes them very hard to integrate into existing setups.
Optoma only makes DLP projectors. The GT1090HDR and HZ39HDR do not have lens shift. We have lens shift on our 4K UHD lamp models, however.
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DLP doesn't mean 'virtually non existent lens shift' as lots of DLP projectors have it in varying amounts.
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HD28R for Gamers

It even has a Game Display Mode that lifts the shadows that you can see enemies lurking in the dark.
What exactly is this?

How is the HD28R different from HD27HDR?
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