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Outdoor Projector - $500 or <

I'm looking for a 16:9 1080p projector for my outside setup.



Budget: $300-500 would be ideal. I am willing to buy refurb or used for this setup.


Screen: Elite Screens Manual B, 100-INCH 16:9, Manual Pull Down Projector Screen. I bought this last year to use with an Old 4:3 projector I have from work.


Throw Distance: Looking at the deck and screen layout I would like to mount the projector between 10-12' back from the screen.


I was looking at the Epson 1060 (recommended) but that is more a short throw projector. Any other suggestions in this price range?

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The 1060 is one of the more recommended projectors and if you can get it through the Epson refurb site then it is a great deal. It's not there right now when I looked, so it is clearly selling out quickly as a refurb model.

If you have high specifics for your placement, you can't have an absolute bottom of the line budget, which is really where you are. So, up the budget and get a 3700 refurb instead and you can put it almost wherever you like. But, the list of projectors in your price range, which will be as bright, with full 1080p resolution is pretty much non-existent. Beggars/choosers, and all that.

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On a tight budget it is hard to beat the Viewsonic PX725HD. Check the throw length specs for the size screen you want.

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Added the Epson - Home Cinema 2100 to the list as well.

So far I have these on my list -
Epson - Home Cinema 2100 - $549.99


Viewsonic PX725HD - $449.99


Optoma HD27e - $369 refurbished.

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Still think I want to hold out for the epson hc2100 refurb. But also added the following .


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Optoma HD27e
Optoma HD243X

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Epson hc1060 is a home cinema pj with office performance: high lumen low contrast, for true cinema experience the epson entry level modela are the hc2100/2150 or the heavier bigger 3200/3800 1/2 uhd. If you live in eu, asia, au, there is also the tw5400 a short throw hc2100 (like the old series hc2040/45) with less contrast than a hc2100(tw5600) still better than 1060.

Epson pjs have air filter, better for outdoor use with bugs in the Summer evenings, no rainbow effect and frame interpolation (>tw5400 and tw5600/hc2100) but it depends on your preference.

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Epson hc1060 is a home cinema pj with office performance: high lumen low contrast, for true cinema experience the epson entry level modela are the hc2100/2150 or the heavier bigger 3200/3800 1/2 uhd. If you live in eu, asia, au, there is also the tw5400 a short throw hc2100 (like the old series hc2040/45) with less contrast than a hc2100(tw5600) still better than 1060.

Epson pjs have air filter, better for outdoor use with bugs in the Summer evenings, no rainbow effect and frame interpolation (>tw5400 and tw5600/hc2100) but it depends on your preference.
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Thanks for the extra info.
Just as a reference... This is an HC1040 outdoors on a 14.5 foot blowup screen. The HC1060, which is the unit that replaced the HC1040, has identical picture quality.

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I'm thinking either the Epson 1040 or 2100. There is only a $50 difference at the refurb price.

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Picture quality can't be evaluated with static photos, please read reviews with native contrast numbers or compare many videos, possibly side by side, I will post more later...

Epson HC2150 (TW5650 EU) very close to the tw5600/hc2100 as performance
https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
Contrast
https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...-EH-TW5650.jpg

Epson HC1060 (TW650 EU)
https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
Contrast
https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...N-EH-TW650.jpg

They are in French, use google to translate the page, or just compare the 'contraste natif' tables!

HC2100/2150 are very good models with performance close to a HC3100/3700, even better than the new UHD models. 3x contrast isn't a small difference, and affects black level as well, otherwise nobody would buy jvc or sony, I highly recommend to read and ask for more opinions in the hc2100/2150 thread and elsewhere. Unless you have strong lights on screen I would prefer 2100/2150. I own a hc2045 with a contrast like the 1060, and I cound see a lot of difference with a 2100, also the reviews say how great improvement is a 2150 from the old 2040 not only in numbers.

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Conclusion
Attention Acer, BenQ or Optoma! the TW5650 (HC2150) is in place! It comes to play on the flowerbeds of your DLP 1080P models for less than 1000 €. It does this in a very beautiful way, by proposing a successful model, completely equipped for home cinema and with a crippling flawless image. Its rendering convinced us so much that we believe it also competes with one of its big brothers, the TW6700(HC3700). In short, forget the TW5350 (HC2045, contrast like the HC1060) and its weak contrast: with its new TW5650, EPSON has corrected the faults of the previous version and if you plan to buy a video projector that is simple to use but without sacrificing performance and without having to do it yourself ruin, the new TW5650 meets your specifications, as well as ours....


Contrast videos...

HC2150 vs. HC2100

TW610/650(HC1060) vs. TW5650(HC2150)
(From 2:10 TW610 vs. TW650 , from 3:20 TW610 vs. TW5650)

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Picture quality can't be evaluated with static photos, please read reviews with native contrast numbers or compare many videos, possibly side by side, I sill post more later...

Epson HC2150 (TW5650 EU) very close to the tw5600/hc2100 as performance
https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/

Epson HC1060 (TW650 EU)
https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/

They are in French, but you cn transate with google the page, or just see the 'contraste natif' tables!
Thanks for that but I've used them both, side by side.

HC2150 has a bit better contrast and the HC1060 is brighter. Color is more or less the same.

It comes down to screen size for most applications.
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Thanks for that but I've used them both, side by side.

HC2150 has a bit better contrast and the HC1060 is brighter. Color is more or less the same.

It comes down to screen size for most applications.
I updated my post with side test videos and tables, 3x native contrast, of course the right contents, environment and screen are required otherwise also a jvc will loose contrast.

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If there's any ambient light at all (nearby street lamps, neighbors' lights, moon, etc.) the difference in contrast will be barely noticeable. On the other hand any ambient light will be to the advantage of the brighter 1060. Maximum throw for the 1060 to a 100" screen is 8' 11" measured from the front of the lens to the screen surface, so not far off your minimum preferred 10' mounting distance. If you're locked into a 10'-12' mounting distance then go with one of the other models.
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I updated my post with side test videos and tables, 3x native contrast, of course the right contents, environment and screen are required otherwise also a jvc will loose contrast.

Thanks again... Tables are nice to look at in a review but I find they have little value in practical use as conditions vary.
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