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4k content on 1080p PJ with nividia shield

hey guys!
i recently got a benq W2000 1080p PJ
is it possible to stream 4k content from kodi using nvidia shield to the PJ? when trying to do so - getting a black screen

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You have a 1080 projector. Why would you try and feed it a signal it can't project? It's not something like the Optoma hd27hdr that's made to accept a 4k signal for hdr.

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hey guys!
i recently got a benq W2000 1080p PJ
is it possible to stream 4k content from kodi using nvidia shield to the PJ? when trying to do so - getting a black screen

thx

Put this in your video chain. https://www.hdfury.com/product/linke...600mhz-scaler/

Been using one for years on my 1080p projector, and it works great for downscaling 4K source material to the projector.


If material is native 4K then downscaling will look excellent at 1080p
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i recently got a benq W2000 1080p PJ
is it possible to stream 4k content from kodi using nvidia shield to the PJ? when trying to do so - getting a black screen

thx
Buy the EZCOO 1x2 splitter. It's great and 10% of the cost of the HDFury. I had the HDFury Vertex and you need to be pretty techie to use it. I sold it and bought the EZCOO. 4K downscaled to 1080P looks better than the same content's 1080P version.

Edit: If you buy it make sure you turn it on with the little switch. It comes with the switch off.

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hey guys!
i recently got a benq W2000 1080p PJ
is it possible to stream 4k content from kodi using nvidia shield to the PJ? when trying to do so - getting a black screen

thx

It should work. You may have to change some video settings within Kodi so it only displays 1080p. I forget how I have my living room setup, but I use a shield there and can view 4k content on a 1080p TV via Kodi. I will check tomorrow.
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hey guys!
i recently got a benq W2000 1080p PJ
is it possible to stream 4k content from kodi using nvidia shield to the PJ? when trying to do so - getting a black screen

thx

I have kodi set to 1080p resolution.
I previously had a 1080p projector in my main setup and was able to display 4k content as well. However, in that instance, I had to disable the HDMI output on the receiver feeding the 4k TV. Hope this helps.
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Wasn't even thinking of outboard devices. So my UHD Sony and CC Ultra will look better on my 1080 JVC going through the HDFury and just sending audio to the receiver? In case of the Sony, better than the 1080 Blu Ray? I've been buying 4k discs mainly because I have my sister setup with a UHD player for her 75" Sony. But if I can benefit from it, I'll pick one up.

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Wasn't even thinking of outboard devices. So my UHD Sony and CC Ultra will look better on my 1080 JVC going through the HDFury and just sending audio to the receiver? In case of the Sony, better than the 1080 Blu Ray? I've been buying 4k discs mainly because I have my sister setup with a UHD player for her 75" Sony. But if I can benefit from it, I'll pick one up.

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did you see my post above. Don’t waste you money on an HdFury. Buy the EZCOO for less than thirty. If you aren’t satisfied send it back and buy the Fury.

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did you see my post above. Don’t waste you money on an HdFury. Buy the EZCOO for less than thirty. If you aren’t satisfied send it back and buy the Fury.
Wasn't discounting the EZ. Was more a general question of the downscaling a 4k disc being better than the 1080 blu-ray. I could see the 4k streaming downscaled being better than the 1080 stream.

And do you need to split the hdmi signal for audio and video at that point sending the video from the scaler to the pj and audio to the receiver? Or should the receiver be able to send the better downscaled video to the pj?

Are people using a 4k switch to the scaler in case of multiple 4k sources? For me it'd be a CC Ultra and Sony 4k player.

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Wasn't discounting the EZ. Was more a general question of the downscaling a 4k disc being better than the 1080 blu-ray. I could see the 4k streaming downscaled being better than the 1080 stream.

And do you need to split the hdmi signal for audio and video at that point sending the video from the scaler to the pj and audio to the receiver? Or should the receiver be able to send the better downscaled video to the pj?

Are people using a 4k switch to the scaler in case of multiple 4k sources? For me it'd be a CC Ultra and Sony 4k player.

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My setup is Shield TV 4K Out, DTV 1080P Out, UB420 Out to Denon 4K pass thru to EZCOO in port. EZCOO Out is 4K port to JVC X790, 1080P port to Runco Q750i. In actuality I have 2nd EZCOO that splits the 1080P to three HD projector; the Runco, A Marantz 15S1, and my old standby, an LG PF1500.

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Wasn't even thinking of outboard devices. So my UHD Sony and CC Ultra will look better on my 1080 JVC going through the HDFury and just sending audio to the receiver? In case of the Sony, better than the 1080 Blu Ray? I've been buying 4k discs mainly because I have my sister setup with a UHD player for her 75" Sony. But if I can benefit from it, I'll pick one up.

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did you see my post above. Don’t waste you money on an HdFury. Buy the EZCOO for less than thirty. If you aren’t satisfied send it back and buy the Fury.



The HD Fury Linker I have been using has had no issues at all. I have no experience with the EZCOO JackB has mentioned. Worth a try and see if it works, and if it doesn't work out, then HD Fury will take care of you. Lots of main threads with the different HD Fury products here on AVS. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-video-processors/
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My setup is Shield TV 4K Out, DTV 1080P Out, UB420 Out to Denon 4K pass thru to EZCOO in port. EZCOO Out is 4K port to JVC X790, 1080P port to Runco Q750i. In actuality I have 2nd EZCOO that splits the 1080P to three HD projector; the Runco, A Marantz 15S1, and my old standby, an LG PF1500.

So your chain has a 4K display (JVCX790) and a 1080p display. I think OP (and I) are looking to see if there's anything that will show 4K source to a 1080p display only - everything in between being 4K HDCP 2.2 compatible. Something that will make the source and other upstream devices "think" they are sending to a 4K display, so they perform accordingly.

Will the EZCOO fit that requirement?
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So your chain has a 4K display (JVCX790) and a 1080p display. I think OP (and I) are looking to see if there's anything that will show 4K source to a 1080p display only - everything in between being 4K HDCP 2.2 compatible. Something that will make the source and other upstream devices "think" they are sending to a 4K display, so they perform accordingly.



Will the EZCOO fit that requirement?
Your 1080 projector isn't going to think it's getting 4k material. The EZ is taking that 4k signal and downscaling it to a 1080 signal your pj can understand. The thinking is the 4k signal downscaled to 1080 will give a better picture than the actual 1080 signal.

That's all you're going to get into your pj. You can split the signal at the EZ. Have the EZ down scale the 4k and send the 1080 to your projector and have the other hdmi send the audio to your receiver.

That's my understanding of it. I'm guessing older 4k receivers that aren't hdmi 2.0 will not be able to pass the 4k signal to the EZ or hdfury for down scaling, so you have to split it before the receiver so the receiver only gets audio and the video bypasses the receiver going from your 4k source to the EZ/fury to the projector.

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Buy the EZCOO 1x2 splitter. It's great and 10% of the cost of the HDFury. I had the HDFury Vertex and you need to be pretty techie to use it. I sold it and bought the EZCOO. 4K downscaled to 1080P looks better than the same content's 1080P version.

Edit: If you buy it make sure you turn it on with the little switch. It comes with the switch off.
Hey, I have the 2019 Shield and Denon 3600 with a 1080p pj. Will this play the atmos streams from Amazon etc...?
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Your 1080 projector isn't going to think it's getting 4k material. The EZ is taking that 4k signal and downscaling it to a 1080 signal your pj can understand. The thinking is the 4k signal downscaled to 1080 will give a better picture than the actual 1080 signal.

That's all you're going to get into your pj. You can split the signal at the EZ. Have the EZ down scale the 4k and send the 1080 to your projector and have the other hdmi send the audio to your receiver.

That's my understanding of it. I'm guessing older 4k receivers that aren't hdmi 2.0 will not be able to pass the 4k signal to the EZ or hdfury for down scaling, so you have to split it before the receiver so the receiver only gets audio and the video bypasses the receiver going from your 4k source to the EZ/fury to the projector.

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Sorry...I meant for the source devices before the PJ to think that display (pj) is 4K. I'm aware that the 1080p pj cannot think itself to get a 4K stream

For example, I have a Fire tv 4k stick and want it to stream a 4K video with Dolby Atmos. For this I select the specific 4K stream in the app, but since my display is not 4K, I've seen it drop to a 1080p stream, losing the Atmos track in the process.

FireTV 4K Stick or Nvidia Shield w/ 4K Atmos stream -> 4K HDCP2.2 Atmos capable AVR -> 1080p pj

Where would the EZ/Fury be placed in above chain to retain the 4K Atmos stream, but still downscale video to 1080p?

With the HDCP2.2 standard, my understanding is that the source app/device has to know/think that the display is 4K capable, otherwise all bets off and source itself downgrades /downscales the stream to 1080p.

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Sorry...I meant for the source devices before the PJ to think that display (pj) is 4K. I'm aware that the 1080p pj cannot think itself to get a 4K stream



For example, I have a Fire tv 4k stick and want it to stream a 4K video with Dolby Atmos. For this I select the specific 4K stream in the app, but since my display is not 4K, I've seen it drop to a 1080p stream, losing the Atmos track in the process.



FireTV 4K Stick or Nvidia Shield w/ 4K Atmos stream -> 4K HDCP2.2 Atmos capable AVR -> 1080p pj



Where would the EZ/Fury be placed in above chain to retain the 4K Atmos stream, but still downscale video to 1080p?



With the HDCP2.2 standard, my understanding is that the source app/device has to know/think that the display is 4K capable, otherwise all bets off and source itself downgrades /downscales the stream to 1080p.



Thanks!
Since you have a capable receiver the ez/fury would go between the hdmi out on the receiver and the hdmi in on the projector. Your receiver is seeing the 4k signal and will pass it to the ez/fury which will down scale to 1080 and go to your projector.

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Since you have a capable receiver the ez/fury would go between the hdmi out on the receiver and the hdmi in on the projector. Your receiver is seeing the 4k signal and will pass it to the ez/fury which will down scale to 1080 and go to your projector.

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Thank you, dbpaddler! One EZ ordered....will try it out and report back.
Welcome. Mine arrives Monday or Tuesday. My 4k receiver isn't 2.0/2.2 so I'll have to split before and the receiver. Send the video straight to the projector and the audio to the receiver. I didn't get an actual 2x1 for my Ultra and UHD player, but will if it seems worthwhile. Will just set it up with the UHD player for now.

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For those interested in the EZCOO, read the Amazon product description in detail. It basically describes how everything works. I’m not sure What happens when going thru my Denon, which is 2.0 and 2.0 compliant, but the source device reads the EDID From the splitter and sends the content to match the reading. So the EZ is telling it that it’s a 4K device. How the whole HDR thing works, I’m not sure. You have to figure this out because from experience I know that HDR passed thru doesn’t work right on 1080P projectors of the older vintage. I think the newer ones that advertise 4K HDR compliance take care of that. AFAIK, the EZ does not.

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Welcome. Mine arrives Monday or Tuesday. My 4k receiver isn't 2.0/2.2 so I'll have to split before and the receiver. Send the video straight to the projector and the audio to the receiver. I didn't get an actual 2x1 for my Ultra and UHD player, but will if it seems worthwhile. Will just set it up with the UHD player for now.

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For those interested in the EZCOO, read the Amazon product description in detail. It basically describes how everything works. I’m not sure What happens when going thru my Denon, which is 2.0 and 2.0 compliant, but the source device reads the EDID From the splitter and sends the content to match the reading. So the EZ is telling it that it’s a 4K device. How the whole HDR thing works, I’m not sure. You have to figure this out because from experience I know that HDR passed thru doesn’t work right on 1080P projectors of the older vintage. I think the newer ones that advertise 4K HDR compliance take care of that. AFAIK, the EZ does not.

Received the EZCOO yesterday and tried it out with my FireTV 4K Stick -> Pioneer VSX-LX503 AVR -> EZCOO -> Epson PLHC 3020 (1080p) Projector.

The EZCOO was set to downscale Out2 which I connected to the PJ. I did not connect anything on Out1.

Happy to report that this configuration worked to show 4K streams from Amazon Prime Video, You Tube and Kodi all as apps on FireTV 4K stick. It even brought out Dolby Atmos for Jack Ryan!! Incidentally, the Neflix app showed HDR in the titles - not sure if that means 4K UHD HDR. But was not able to get Atmos sound from Netflix.

The only was that the display looked quite color washed out for some of the 4K content. I played with the Adaptive and Always HDR settings on the stick. It still showed wash out in either case, so left it at Adpative. However, I changed the color mode on the PJ and that showed some improvement.

Now I need to get hold of a NVidia Shield and try out these services on it, especially Netflix...but that's another post after I actually have a shield

For a $30 investment, this little device works for my purpose for now until 4K HDR projectors show price drops!! But if anyone can suggest how to reduce the color wash out consistently, that would be very helpful for many.

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Received the EZCOO yesterday and tried it out with my FireTV 4K Stick -> Pioneer VSX-LX503 AVR -> EZCOO -> Epson PLHC 3020 (1080p) Projector.

The EZCOO was set to downscale Out2 which I connected to the PJ. I did not connect anything on Out1.

Happy to report that this configuration worked to show 4K streams from Amazon Prime Video, You Tube and Kodi all as apps on FireTV 4K stick. It even brought out Dolby Atmos for Jack Ryan!! Incidentally, the Neflix app showed HDR in the titles - not sure if that means 4K UHD HDR. But was not able to get Atmos sound from Netflix.

The only was that the display looked quite color washed out for some of the 4K content. I played with the Adaptive and Always HDR settings on the stick. It still showed wash out in either case, so left it at Adpative. However, I changed the color mode on the PJ and that showed some improvement.

Now I need to get hold of a NVidia Shield and try out these services on it, especially Netflix...but that's another post after I actually have a shield

For a $30 investment, this little device works for my purpose for now until 4K HDR projectors show price drops!! But if anyone can suggest how to reduce the color wash out consistently, that would be very helpful for many.

Cheers!
I believe the washout you speak of is due to HDR. For some tech reason 1080P projectors don’t like HDR and the color matching is not right. The way to fix the problem is to go to your player, the Fire or the Shield, and specify output as 4K SDR 60Hz. I know you can do that on Shield and Roku. I don’t know if the Fire has that ability. You end up with 709 color I think but it looks good.

Maybe one of the tech heavies on this thread can explain it.

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If people had good results with the fury downscaling 4k content for 1080 projectors, maybe the ez doesn't down scale as well.

For me that's the only point of it, to see if the downscaled 4k image is any improvement over the 1080 image.

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If people had good results with the fury downscaling 4k content for 1080 projectors, maybe the ez doesn't down scale as well.

For me that's the only point of it, to see if the downscaled 4k image is any improvement over the 1080 image.

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It's definitely an improvement and the EZ only costs you thirty bucks to verify the claims.

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Received the EZCOO yesterday and tried it out with my FireTV 4K Stick -> Pioneer VSX-LX503 AVR -> EZCOO -> Epson PLHC 3020 (1080p) Projector.

The EZCOO was set to downscale Out2 which I connected to the PJ. I did not connect anything on Out1.

Happy to report that this configuration worked to show 4K streams from Amazon Prime Video, You Tube and Kodi all as apps on FireTV 4K stick. It even brought out Dolby Atmos for Jack Ryan!! Incidentally, the Neflix app showed HDR in the titles - not sure if that means 4K UHD HDR. But was not able to get Atmos sound from Netflix.

The only was that the display looked quite color washed out for some of the 4K content. I played with the Adaptive and Always HDR settings on the stick. It still showed wash out in either case, so left it at Adpative. However, I changed the color mode on the PJ and that showed some improvement.

Now I need to get hold of a NVidia Shield and try out these services on it, especially Netflix...but that's another post after I actually have a shield

For a $30 investment, this little device works for my purpose for now until 4K HDR projectors show price drops!! But if anyone can suggest how to reduce the color wash out consistently, that would be very helpful for many.

Cheers!
Great review! Thx. The washout is no joke, it looks terrible with my ftv. My Shield tube won't pick it up either, it still shows a 1080p display.
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I didn't notice any difference in image quality with Captain Marvel. Did the Blu-ray first, then switched to the 4k Blu-ray. Looked the same to me. Maybe I should wear my glasses, but I generally don't. The 4k disc did play though with the downscaled setting.

Using the CC Ultra I couldn't really tell a difference. Snapped a pic of the gorilla with pass through (the one I posted above) and then started from scratch with the downscale and snapped the same pic. On my phone both looked the same, figuring I'd take my 20/27 vision out of it. Hence I don't wear my glasses.

I don't know how to check if I the CC Ultra is sending out the 4k feed. Anyone know how to check when casting? Didn't see anything in the Netflix app that told me what it was outputting.

I can hook up my tivo stream 4k and see. That should be easier to figure out what it's outputting.




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