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Time to upgrade my Benq W7000

Well, rather than buy a new $300 lamp, I've decided to retire my trusty W7000. It's been a GREAT unit, calibrated and in a dedicated black theater on a 133" screen.
What to replace it with under $3000 that would be the biggest difference in image improvement?
Some things I'd like to improve on -
- black levels. I wish I new the native contrast of the w7000. It looks great on high contrast scenes, but dark shadowy scenes, a little muddy.
- resolution. I sit 11-12' away from the screen, and I can just barely see pixel structure at 1080p. Going up to some form of 4k is a no Brainer..but will fauxK be enough?
- overall brightness. The w7000 according to projectorreviews gets over 1000 lumens on the screen in best calibration and settings. Seems most calibrated pj's these days get less than that, 700-800. Is there anything that could bumping up to 1500 calibrated for movies?

Don't care about powered lens adjustments or memory, not that concerned about color as the W7000 does alright (though maybe I don't know what I'm missing)


I'm leaning towards the Epson 5050ub, but I'm a little leery of going to LCD. My first and second projector was a Phillips and NEC LCD, and the screen door and dust blob issues were a constant pain. Also, on my NEC, once I learned to deal with the dust issue, a pixel went stuck on dead center, just after the warranty expired. No recourse.
That was 20 years ago - I'm assuming things have gotten better??
Any other suggestions? Picture quality is still the top priority, though, and if I can't tell much difference between my new PJ and my 7 year old W7000, I'm going to be disappointed, lol.
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Well, rather than buy a new $300 lamp, I've decided to retire my trusty W7000. It's been a GREAT unit, calibrated and in a dedicated black theater on a 133" screen.
What to replace it with under $3000 that would be the biggest difference in image improvement?
Some things I'd like to improve on -
- black levels. I wish I new the native contrast of the w7000. It looks great on high contrast scenes, but dark shadowy scenes, a little muddy.
- resolution. I sit 11-12' away from the screen, and I can just barely see pixel structure at 1080p. Going up to some form of 4k is a no Brainer..but will fauxK be enough?
- overall brightness. The w7000 according to projectorreviews gets over 1000 lumens on the screen in best calibration and settings. Seems most calibrated pj's these days get less than that, 700-800. Is there anything that could bumping up to 1500 calibrated for movies?

Don't care about powered lens adjustments or memory, not that concerned about color as the W7000 does alright (though maybe I don't know what I'm missing)


I'm leaning towards the Epson 5050ub, but I'm a little leery of going to LCD. My first and second projector was a Phillips and NEC LCD, and the screen door and dust blob issues were a constant pain. Also, on my NEC, once I learned to deal with the dust issue, a pixel went stuck on dead center, just after the warranty expired. No recourse.
That was 20 years ago - I'm assuming things have gotten better??
Any other suggestions? Picture quality is still the top priority, though, and if I can't tell much difference between my new PJ and my 7 year old W7000, I'm going to be disappointed, lol.
I'd suggest viewing some of the comparative videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVSpecialists/videos

The W7000 was reviewed here:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-labs-measures

https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...-3d-projector/

and contrast performance is roughly equivalent to an HT3550. The HT5550 would be the modern equivalent.
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Well, rather than buy a new $300 lamp, I've decided to retire my trusty W7000. It's been a GREAT unit, calibrated and in a dedicated black theater on a 133" screen.
What to replace it with under $3000 that would be the biggest difference in image improvement?
Some things I'd like to improve on -
- black levels. I wish I new the native contrast of the w7000. It looks great on high contrast scenes, but dark shadowy scenes, a little muddy.
- resolution. I sit 11-12' away from the screen, and I can just barely see pixel structure at 1080p. Going up to some form of 4k is a no Brainer..but will fauxK be enough?
- overall brightness. The w7000 according to projectorreviews gets over 1000 lumens on the screen in best calibration and settings. Seems most calibrated pj's these days get less than that, 700-800. Is there anything that could bumping up to 1500 calibrated for movies?

Don't care about powered lens adjustments or memory, not that concerned about color as the W7000 does alright (though maybe I don't know what I'm missing)


I'm leaning towards the Epson 5050ub, but I'm a little leery of going to LCD. My first and second projector was a Phillips and NEC LCD, and the screen door and dust blob issues were a constant pain. Also, on my NEC, once I learned to deal with the dust issue, a pixel went stuck on dead center, just after the warranty expired. No recourse.
That was 20 years ago - I'm assuming things have gotten better??
Any other suggestions? Picture quality is still the top priority, though, and if I can't tell much difference between my new PJ and my 7 year old W7000, I'm going to be disappointed, lol.
The number one issue with good blacks is room treatment:
https://www.facebook.com/projectiond...2721894385217/

If you're looking for good blacks, I would not recommend a DLP projector period. They have poor native contrast.

What acceptable black level is can be subjective. 4K DLPs have ~700:1, UB series can do ~4000:1, JVCs much more.


The two Benqs mentioned here put out ~800 lumens with a new lamp. For HDR brightness is even more important than SDR.

The problem with projectors with good contrast/black level is that they are not overly bright.

The 5050UB can do ~1400 lumens in Medium lamp, and is considered the brightest home cinema projector with ok specifications.

For better blacks you can go JVC. They'll be less bright, up to ~1200 lumens very generally speaking. They way to deal with this issue is with a positive gain screen.

What is the screen fabric?
Are you willing to do painting with a spray gun?


I could go on, but in your budget there are JVC 4K pixel shifters, used. However I highly recommend a B stock JVC NX5/RS1000, which is the same price as a new 6050UB. Besides it's many features, it has a nice HDR tone mapper that is dynamic. The others are static, so you have to move a slider to adjust. It can only put ~1000 lumens in Eco and ~1500 in Full lamp, which is more noisy.


What is the source btw?

The 5050UB is the best projector in the sub $3K area. 3LCD does not have the motion handling of DLP, and is more susceptible to dust blobs. The 5050 does have filters.

Do you live in a area with more dust than usual? There's been reports of dust getting in the HT5550, no projector is 100% safe. If this is really a problem then build a hush box with filters and/or get a air filter.


Regarding pixel fill I don't think you'll see any:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...l#post58821002

But do ask in the thread since there's a few with screens that size:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...-talk-257.html

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